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S8E30: Polarizing Figure with Mikko Makela (Patreon)

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Filmmaker Mikko Makela and Bret discuss bringing Sebastian to life in the London literary scene, financing films in Finland, admiring the dramatized domesticity of Ingmar Bergman and Virginia Woolf making the mundane seem epic.

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richard owain roberts

am going to listen on my run. will say more later, after my run.

Oscar

Terrific guest

Dodge Zelko

I just wanna hear Bret expound for a solid hour on The Indian Temperament.

Someone Else

Great interview, and I will probably go see this movie now. What makes Brett such a great interviewer is his openness to hearing opinions other than his own. The answer to the question about straight actors playing gay characters was very thoughtful and nuanced, showing that it is a complicated issue. Whatever you want to call what’s happening in the corporate media nowadays, there’s no denying that they’ve chosen to placate a vocal minority of their audience who demand an oversimplified vision of the world that leaves no space for discussing complicated questions like the ones Brett gets into with his best guests.

Allan Sherwood

No offense to Bret or the guest, but I made three attempts at listening to this one, but fell asleep each time. Something about the guest’s voice was very monotone and expressionless. Like the the ones who do those narrations to lull you to sleep.

Mike

I think Brokeback holds up. It’s moving to see the moments when Heath Ledger’s cowboy stoicism cracks revealing his childlike emotional vulnerability. A young Michelle Williams is really compelling as well. That being said, the sex scene is lame. Rushed, in a tent, seems like shame overrides pleasure. As Bret said, the real erotic core of the film is the kiss in back yard. Their chemistry is electric and Ang Lee had the potential to push boundaries with an unapologetic depiction of gay sex. But of course that would have scared off actors/distributors/audience and killed Oscar buzz. And here we are. But maybe I’m biased: lack of gay sex is my problem with most “gay” (or gay adjacent) movies (cough cough Challengers!) Me watching Challengers: Can’t they just fuck already??? 😂

Justin
>>146594717

They spoke about films and literature — pretty much de rigeur for this podcast. What exactly did you want them to discuss?

Charlie C

Coincidentally just read Virginia Woolf's To the Lighthouse.. and like Bret I didn't feel much from it. Bret seemed fresh and spry with a guest, nice break from Q&A

Darren Ankenman

Unrelated. There’s a deep treasure trove of interviews with authors. Go the your smart phone Podcast app. Search “Bookworm”. The scroll is seemingly endless. (There is a Bookworm website too) Anyway. You’ll find things like Joyce Carol Oates discussing Blonde , Franzen discussing The Corrections. Bret is in there , an interview where he discusses Galmorama, another where he discusses The Informers, … another about Lunar Park. All through the years. Joan Didion is in there. Robert Stone. Thomas McGuane. Amis. David Foster Wallace discussing Infinite Jest before it “hit”. Editor Gordon Lish. Rick Moody. Michael Chabon You get the point. I just found this and saved about 50 interviews to savor. Oh - Pauline kael I see in the archive. And Camille Paglia discussing Sexual Personae upon its release etc etc

Darren

An enjoyable interview. I'm looking forward to seeing more filmmakers on the podcast and hearing Bret discuss movies with other artists.

T Frick
>>146594717

Set your player to 1.25x speed. Speeded up will remind you of the BEE on podcast one

Bill Condor

Excellent, cinema-centric interview! Thank you both for the thought-provoking listen. So much to mull over here. Insta-classic episode

TheRealAudreyHorne

As someone from a town of less than 1,000 people, it’s always so strange when people say they’re from a “small town” of 60k people

mia

“What do you think of the eagles?” “The football team?” On hbo’s industry episode tonight ❤️

Seneca Garcia

BEE pod reference “what do you think of the eagles” in this week’s episode of HBO’s Industry 👽 Coolio and the Gang

Stephen
>>146594717

Bret has a very soothing voice so the podcast gently lulls me to sleep quite often.

Stephen

Industry used Bret's line tonight!

Harold B
>>146947436

Yeah too specific for random banter dialogue to get into the scene!! I wonder what Bret thinks of the show although juvenile in some respects industry definitely seems made with his sensibilities

Jeffrey Reeser

FYI, "About Dry Grasses" is Turkish, not Romanian.

mia
>>146947436

He’s talked about it before I think he did enjoy it im sure we will hear something on next weeks episode 🤗🤗

mia

Beach rats is one of my favorite movies ever :’)

Thomas Matich

Kino Lorber will be releasing ‘Sebastian’ on Blu-ray.

Jono

Brett mentions the scene in Challengers when the 3 are making out, it reminded me of the scene in The Canyons when Lindsay Lohan manipulates James Deen into gay sex in their ménage a trois

Laura B. Farrugia

God I wish Bret and Gregg Araki would do an episode together 😔

Mike Rankin

Came back to give this a replay after watching Sebastian. Really enjoyed the film, thanks bringing it to my attention.

Pia Dykert

Scandinavian filmmakers are serious, humble and dedicated. This conversation was like swimming in a dark, beautiful lake. Very refreshing.