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The B.E.E. Podcast - 10/25/19 - Roger Avary - Part 2 - SILVER (Patreon)

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Bret Easton Ellis reviews Todd Phillips' Joker and talks with Roger Avary about making The Rules of Attraction, filming Glitterati in Europe, moviemaking as therapy and getting creative to write Lucky Day. Part 2 of 2.

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Darren

I would love to see Glitterati but I can’t imagine it would get released today.

Ant

I think I speak on behalf of all of us when I say we expect the Michael Bay podcast to be a minimum 3 episodes long.

Tomi Hautakangas

I liked Ad Astra better than the anachronisticly woke Lost City of Z. Scifi genre is always safer to get creative with than historical movies.

BUtterfield8

He wins the prize for not skipping a beat on the Eagles question. I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I want to know more about jail. Avary is really a storyteller.

Yorick van Wageningen

Oh. I could have five parts with Avery. Bloody genius. Man, I love this podcast so much even if I sometimes violently disagree and want to meet Todd more than anything else. About ‘the Joker’. I loved, loved this film and it made me so very hopeful about American cinema. A sixty million dark arthouse movie making a bomb of money at the box office. I was stunned, stunned by its critical reception. Maybe it’s because I am european. It’s not the first time I have noticed American critics developing a blindspot when a movie so clearly is about their country, their culture. All throughout watching it I had such a strong desire to find out why it was made; what the film maker wanted to tell us. I had a distinct feeling it was about America all throughout watching it, but afterwards I really got the feeling it was about Trump. Philips shows us not only the mob in the movies (disgruntled white men, the basket of deplorables), but WE actually fall in love (and I hate to admit it) with a mentally ill clown drunk on the adoration of idiots. Joaquin seduces us and pulls all tricks out of his sleeve that make us love him. I pray to God he will play Bruce Wayne in Todd Philips follow up. But the critical backlash really surprised me. I had the same for example with ‘the Final Testament of the Holy Bible’, the James Grey novel. Panned in the US, adored in Europe, about Jesus returning to earth in modern day Manhattan. Would love to hear him on the podcast. Pretty sure the two of you would have some interesting conversations, him being the prototype of an artist crucified by the liberal media...

David Willis

Really interesting hearing Brets comments on Joker and Ad Astra. Ad Astra is my favourite of the year so far. Do completely disagree with Bret on his view of the ending, I found the ambition and emotiveness of it very refreshing for a big budget adult SF film. It really resonated with me and I found it unforgettable. On Joker Bret made some interesting points.

JD

Treatsie?

Alex Waller
>>28288611

I really enjoyed Ad Astra but do think there was some more room to have fun in there. I actually wanted to see a lot more of the monkeys, and also think it would've been great if they focused on the mental state of the other astronauts and crew on the ships and on the bases. haha you have to admit the other astronauts seemed weirdly incompetent and one dimensional compared to Brad Pitt's character

Chris Wright

getting really tired of Bret's judgemental attitude around 13:30

Robert R. Conroy
>>28358282

Or "All About My Mother" or "Women on the Verge..." or "Law of Desire' or "Volver" or "Bad Education" or etc. and so forth.

Andrew Lapointe

I'd like to hear Bret review the following new movies: Dolemite Is My Name, Pain & Glory, The Irishman, The Lighthouse, Parasite

David

Incredible interview.

Jorge Espinha
>>28358282

I've seen all of those movies. In the original soundtrack, I'm fluent in Spanish. But I have the feeling is the same setup over and over again: women are magical creatures, priests are pedophiles, oh look! What a cute pre adolescent boy! Heterosexual males are dickheads if not potential rapists.... Does Almodôvar thing women gave any agency? They seem to be these magical flawless creatures. I think he's been doing the same couple of movies for more than 3 decades

Robert R. Conroy
>>28358282

Jorge, Returning to similar themes again and again is what artists do! Essentially, you are complaining that Almodovar is an auteur. You could knock Cronenberg or Lynch or De Palma or Polanski or Peckinpah or Waters or any notable director for circling round to same same subject multiple times. And if Almodovar's work doesn't speak to you, you have my sympathies. Oh and add the sublime "Talk To Her" and "The Skin I Live In" to my list above.

phuq paytch

I'm at an after hours party at the Teacher's Lounge of William E. Ferron Elementary, sipping absinthe in a dark corner and watching the scarlet curtains flutter next to the air conditioner. "Mysteries beyond the stars..." I say. My date doesn't hear me. "Bret Ellis rarely ventures such wordplay. Wonder why." "There's value in restraint." The voice comes from behind me somewhere, but when I turn around, nothing is there.

Dean Lowenstein

Tremendous interview, well worth being divided into two. Roger Avery was about as open and candid as you could expect anyone to be after what happened. Looking forward to seeing Lucky Day.

Constantine

I must admit, this is an extraordinary interview. Avery, who rarely does interviews is incredibly candid in this. Doesn’t shy away from any question and elaborates on everything. Makes a lot of the other famous guests that Bret has had on look so reserved on the verge of being a waste of time. See: Jason Shwartzman or Molly Ringwald, just to name a few.

Peter Guzzo

Great interview. One of Bret's best.

MikeE

One of the best BEE’s ever. So many things to say but 1) what an astounding shower of cash the ‘streamers’ are dumping on Hollywood (in Netflix’s case all borrowed $ via junk bonds, what could go wrong?)-they are literally locking down POTENTIAL locations for a year? What are they spending on talent etc? Must be an incredible time to be an agent 2) chilled to the bone by his story of being sent to a max facility and solitary based on TWEETS. That’s the ‘corrections’ mindset in a nutshell. Exercise your rights and we’ll literally torture you. And enjoy it. Jesus. And America DARES lecture others on human rights...

dakira

I have to catch up to the latest episodes, but I can't wait to listen to this :)

Erick

Very much enjoyed first and second part.

Chris Wright
>>28287261

if you want to hear some great tales from jail, look up 'Wes Watson GP' on YouTube!

Chris Wright
>>28360377

just wish they'd talked about Beowulf, which is an underestimated, existentially-probing work of art

Kovitch

Incredible interview. Hope it inspires Roger to write a memoir. So many extraordinary insights and experiences. Best review of Joker yet, a film that realistically sits alongside 2-star thrillers like ‘8MM’ or Tony Scott’s ‘The Fan’, but somehow has bagged a ‘Golden Lion’. Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there?

Philip rice

Thank you for these. Might be the most honest account of self reflection I have ever heard.

Eric M. Rhein

The most raw and honest account of such an event this career (24 years) prosecutor has ever heard.

mortal trash

Major props to Bret for being so quiet and letting this guy talk. Fantastic work.

Jeff Kovach

His take on Harvey Weinstein did not age well....