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The B.E.E. Podcast - 8/9/20 - Tom Cruise Deep Dive with Nic Pizzolatto - Part 1 - SILVER (Patreon)

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Bret Easton Ellis talks about What We Do in the Shadows, Elvis and Ann-Margret in Viva Las Vegas and the silver screen adaptation of The Painted Bird. Writer Nic Pizzolatto and Bret closely examine the life and work of Tom Cruise. Part 1 of 2.

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Mike Hogan

Jesus what a pairing, can’t wait to listen.

M. Nero Nava

Love the reviews. The Reichardt assessment is sooo accurate. It’s mind boggling that someone somewhere enjoys those movies. The most ponderous movies of all time. Also, an all Tom Cruise centered show is a crack-up. Always love when BEE digs into the machinations of a movie personality and their allure. Great pod, I laughed out loud several times. Also, Elvis in Jailhouse Rock is one of the greatest movie star performances in cinema history.

Erick

Ooh can't wait to listen. Between pods when I run out of other podcast I end up listening to White to get my Bee fix. I've listened to it at least 5 times so far

Joseph A Aisenberg

I've never understood Cruise's stardom. Top Gun so turned me off the guy that I could never find a way into him. And I had almost the exact opposite feeling about him as the guest: to me he was one of the few stars whose audience appeal I never was able to understand--Penn and Bruce Willis absolutely made sense to me. Cruise really was the opposite of "cool", due to the very thing which drew the guest to him. He's the one who tries too hard, the A plus student you can't help find embarrassing because the sweat stains are so obvious in all his performances; he never inhabits a role; there's no ease to his acting; and he doesn't have the masculine force for scene-chewing bravura or tours de force.He's merely strenuous. Only in Eyes Wide Shut is he lackluster, because Kubrick steam rolled this ghastly over-achiever's bombast which to this viewer always reads as incredibly false; yet vacuumed of emotion, Cruise is no more fun to watch than he is later screaming at his dying father in the overwrought Magnolia. It's strange to me that Kael seems to have been the only big reviewer I can think of who shared my distaste for Cruise's presence. She noted what an amateur he seemed by comparison to Newman in Color of Money or his utterly synthetic shark-who-finds-depth-through-redemption schtick he pantomimes in Rain Man, which is utterly wiped by Dustin Hoffman's even more intense, though more impressive, schtick. I agree the guest is spot on about one thing. There's nothing sexual or sexy about him, and maybe this was what was meant by a reviewer of the second Mission Impossible when he described Cruise's affect as Teflon--a unusually daringly negative review of the star.

Jerome Busca

Wait, what happened to the 'Eagles' question??

Red Scharlach

BEE's plot summary of "The Painted Bird" reminded me of a more recent novel which also features a protagonist who endures an absurd series of humiliations and violence: Hanya Yanagihara's widely shortlisted "A Little Life." A book I would have tossed in the garbage if it hadn't been a library copy. Garth Greenwell called it the great gay novel, but Daniel Mendelsohn sized it up for what it really is: the great novel of the present-day cult of competing victimhoods and fetishized suffering. No wonder Kosinski's 50 year old plot has struck a contemporary nerve.

Brian Rooney

Pizzolatto texting Bret, "Does All the Right Moves hold up?" Just incredible.

phuq paytch

I'm sitting at a bar in Chattanooga Hills falling asleep as I listen to Bret Ellis try and justify shitty art while being an elitist at the same time. No one is around, so I can't complain to anyone, so I communicate with myself instead on a phone. Then, an idea: I'll narrate my normal, boring life, and my useless tastes in an offhanded way and in present tense. It will make me sound like I matter at all.

Dylan Grant

Glad to hear someone finally -- FINALLY! -- set the record straight on First Cow.

Reservoir Frog

Best podcast, and guest, in a long time! It FLEW BY! Can’t wait for parts 2,3,4 & 5!

nick

Lmao off at nic looking his mind about white briefs...he’s being hyperbolic but what a weird thing to get hung up on. He reminds me of nasty copywriters I work with. Great talent tho.

James Reeves

“Legend” was Cruise’s best hair. Any argument? I didn’t think so! 💇‍♂️

BUtterfield8

Bret, check out the great version of "You're the Boss" which was cut from Viva Las Vegas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr6GPx28fr0 Apparently, it was too sexual. I wish someone would get that film out of the vault, if it exists, so we could see it.

Joseph Orlando

Great episode. Really nailed the appeal. I hope Pitt... Leo... Clooney... The Rock... and Smith have nothing on him and probably never will. And I hope future actors take heed and listen to what makes Cruise the guy. If you want to be great it takes blood, sweat, and a lot of tears. He is no doubt the greatest movie star of Gen X.

Joseph Orlando

Also can you take a scalpel to this dreadful indie that opened last weekend 'She Dies Tomorrow'...oh God the agony!

James Reeves

“... she’s a dirty sprite ...” I love this episode so much!

Claudia

This episode made me laugh out loud so many times. Bret is harsh on Kelly Reichardt (I liked ‘Wendy and Lucy’ and ‘Night Moves’ despite their glacial pace) but even when I don’t agree with him, I’m still entertained by his opinions. Thanks for sticking to your guns, Bret!
 Can Nic Pizzolatto become a regular co-host? He’s so quotable! “I have to think about dad for a while before I can be a man,” is a perfect encapsulation of so many ‘80s movies. I don’t even particularly like Tom Cruise but I’ll listen to Bret and Nic discuss any topic that they’re knowledgeable and passionate about. The idea of having a gay man and a straight man talking at length about the appeal of a male movie star/sex symbol is fascinating and, to my knowledge, it’s never been done before. Can’t wait for Part 2!


David M S

Bret, I've been getting great joy from re-watching the Kroll Show now streaming on CBS. I didn't appreciate the collective genius of the ensemble cast during its first airing.

Erick

Love this pod. Can I haz part 2 now?

Erick
>>42002844

Yes, Bret made me laugh talking about the Cow movie lol

Justin Pierce

When is Part 2 supposed to land? I just recently subscribed and not used to Patreon. When do Episodes normally drop?

Rachel Bartlett
>>41916020

A LITTLE LIFE is one of the worst books I’ve ever read. Somehow I made it all of the way through - I guess because I invested so much time in the first million pages and decided to ride it out until the end. I was seriously so annoyed that it even existed after I realized what it was all about.

Iain

What a great episode. I was laughing out loud as Bret continued to describe the atrocities in the painted bird. Loved the Cruise stuff, but fan of Pizzollatto too. I was surprised neither of them mentioned Mickey Rourke when discussing 80s leading men.....

Kerry

Can’t wait to hear the thoughts on Jerry Maguire

Paul Thrush

So funny during the pandemic I bought all the Elvis movies and have bee living in that universe for a couple of weeks...

Daniel George Sanchez

"I'm in locker rooms a lot. And when I confront a guy, I put my clothes on first!"

Billy Vega
>>41989144

Leo has probably surpassed him at this point. If Tom had continued his late 90's/early 00's run of serious/high concept movies, he would be more like Leo is now. Same with Smith to a lesser degree.

Anthony Sisco

This was so good it was like an audio documentary. It didn’t focus on Scientology and scandal but a really good and much deserved retrospective of one of the last great movie stars.

Antonio Primavera

Living in the South, there were always Elvis movie marathons on weekend days on TV. That was great fun! <i>Viva Las Vegas</i> (1964) is great, really fun. But I need to recommend <i>King Creole</i> (1958), directed by Michael Curtiz (<i>Casablanca</i>). That's a more "serious" film.