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The B.E.E. Podcast - 10/4/20 - Eugene Kotlyarenko - SILVER (Patreon)

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A pool party and peculiar parents mark 1981 Bret's final days without fear in Part 3 of The Shards. Filmmaker Eugene Kotlyarenko and Bret discuss cultivating tension from society's relationship with contemporary technology in Spree, the transgressive revelation of Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange and talking to Warren Beatty about his impressive range in The Parallax View.

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bpvalentine

Eugene Kotlyarenko impressed me in this interview much more than I expected. I gotta admit I was interested in Spree when I saw a trailer through the on demand channel. That's how I keep up now with what's coming out, that frigging on demand Spectrum channel. However, I knew my brother would never go for it because there was this sense of social justice orgy where, hey, we'll just kill everyone we don't like (or punch them bc I guess Rick Moranis is a Nazi or just a white dude? Any white dude who doesn't look like he'll fight back will do, haha). So, yeah. I'll catch up with Spree. That actor from Stranger Things has become the only redeemable thing on that fucking show now. Good for him. I haven't see the Parallax View in years. I'll have to do a Klute and Parallax View night soon. Tho I don't know if I can stomach the self congratulatory aspects of All the President's Men at his moment. It has a funny aspect to it now when you understand the basically petty motives driving Mark Felt. But no! It was for the ideals of the American way! Their hair was perfect. haha. Most people are so boring. It has cheered me up finding out about Eugene Kotlyarenko. I hope he does a big movie soon because I bet that's where his heart really is. The same way after all my Bergman expertise the conversation always comes back to The Untouchables. Or whatever like that. DePalma and Verhoeven are two of my favorite directors. Goddam I wish those guys weren't so old. And Coppola. I even loved Coppola's "student films" from a couple years ago. Critics can eat a dick, I dug them.

bpvalentine

Bret, I kinda wish we could get bigger bites of the new novel. I really respect you're including us in your process. I don't think a major writer has ever done anything like this before. Anyway, not to kiss ass, but doing that and with this personal subject matter, I respect it. And I admire the bravery. Can't wait for the next installment. I want answers! At least a little more in the way of clues.

Joseph Orlando

Spree is one of the best movies I have seen all year. Amazing performance by Joe Keery. That dude can act.

Sebastian Mittelman

Get Ava Duverney on an episode and go through line-by-line Stephen Kings tweet about quality and diversity.

Trevor Wysling

I am thrilled! at the experience of Bret's new novel being read to us!!!

Trevor Wysling

Thank you so much for this gift. I am hooked! I love being in that world. Every detail is exquisite.

Trevor Wysling

I'm stoked to see Spree, too! However, it's mostly Bret's novel that I'm into. I have listened to each installment like 3 times each, lol

John Whieldon

Kudos to Bret, for having the stomach to endure two hours with this fucking ponce. Kotlyarenko exemplifies the establishment's awesome lack of self-awareness. That he could have witnessed his comrades engage in 175 consecutive days of deadly riots and concluded that the greatest threat to Western life is the far right speaks to the bottomless depths of his conformity. Great art is never propagandistic--and great artists never illiberal.

Mikael Pawlo

The novel segment and monologue is nothing short of amazing at this point. Very much looking forward to the final work.

Arch Friend

the ominous drama surrounding this novel demands that it should be written and released, I couldn't stop laughing after that sex scene and the drunken mom who wouldn't let you leave. Eugene Kotlyarenko seems like a guy who I'd disagree with in politics but could talk for hours with about movies, I ended up really liking him by the end.

Jonathan Davis

If this dude is any indicator, then yes cinema is dead and we are all fucked. I watched the trailer for spree and have little interest in watching a movie that looks like it was shot on a go-pro. Loving the novel, Bret.

Reservoir Frog

Good episode. First time I’ve finished an episode in what feels like around 5 episodes? Checked out Spree and really enjoyed it. Good stuff!

BrienPiechos

This was hands down the worst guest Bret has ever had. This was just awful. Unlistenable. What did he do, put out an ad for "Supercuck"?

David Kordahl

No idea what listeners are whining about. Eugene is obviously a knowledgeable and passionate guy, and I enjoyed the interview.

Eric Macom

Western values = white supremacy

Marresmarre2

Fast forward the novel, novels are boring, enjoyed the Eugene interview tho. I miss the monologue ...:(

Peter Neil 'student'

I felt the opposite. Loved the novel stuff. Couldn’t take too much of the film scholar talk

Ashley

This was one of my favorite episodes so far. I heard Bret drop the term “zillenial” and for some reason that made me happy. I really appreciated hearing the immigration background of this guest. I dated a polish immigrant who lived in an Italian refugee camp for a year before settling in Queens with his family. He then went on to become a commercial photographer before going to graduate school and exploring film. He too spoke of the trauma of the language barrier, so that really hit home. I recently re-watched the Graduate and enjoyed hearing that critique pop up. Something about Debbie’s mom chiding Bret gave me chills and really creeped me out.

Andrew Hannaker

This interview was very engaging, it's great to listen to film analysis of such high quality. And Bret's new novel is dynamite! BEE podcast is great value for money.

Binyamin Ironstone

Continue to love the novel reading... on another note, just listened to an interview with Lenny Kravitz where he talked about sneaking out to go to clubs and party in and around Hollywood before he was 18. He went to Beverly Hills High and is the same age as our host, Wonder if their circles ever overlapped in those early ‘80s days...

John Zambrano

This new book is getting really really good. Man he is such a great writer. I’m amazed by how it can take you places without letting you know how he does it. It seems so effortless but that’s the trick isn’t it? It’s almost like someone didn’t write it and you’re just there by some strange magic. That’s the magic and beauty of really good writing and storytelling.

John Zambrano

Also enjoyed the interview. I’m always happy to hear someone out talk Bret :)

Elizabeth

I love the Eagles question. Every guest has some interesting take on the music, the group or what they represent. Eugene delivered on his answer and completed the circle from his own American experience

BUtterfield8

I want more novel. I cant wait. I also feel sorry for Debbie.

Billy Vega

Funny when Bret levelled the criticism that Spree actually moralised by having the woman of color take down the MC the guest got ruffled and Bret backtracked immediately. Guest in general appeared a combo of egotistical and insecure - a classic example of generation wuss member. Best thing was the novel excerpt though it seemed to end very abruptly compared with parts 1 and 2.

Sven Safarow

Anyone else thinks Terry Schaefer is Jerry Bruckheimer? The age fits. And the T-Shirt with the THIEF motif... Anyway, I don't think, this really happened to him. But it's a nice little game. Maybe Bret will play with it more and having people from the present intervene with the novel or something... I'm still hooked.

Christopher Ward

Bret, usually love your podcasts but the second I heard your guest talk about "white supremacy" and talk disparagingly about white men I had to tune out. I listen to your podcast to get a refreshing takedown on all of those dumb mainstream talking points, not an amplification of them. Metropolitan liberal elites are clueless.

Kristian Rasmussen
>>45518447

Well, it wasn't very original. that's true. But some of the scenes were really disturbing, which Is why I liked it. To me, a horror movie can be very original, but if it lacks the disturbing elements - like the head filled with flies moment - then it's sorta MEH to me.

T

Great episode! Super interesting guest with great energy.

Damien Smith
>>45518447

I loved how it took us places for sure, super unsettling, but the whole movie I was sitting there thinking it was a family dealing with hereditary mental illness and then nope, robed figures and possession or whatever, and I just didn't care. I think "Midsommar" was where Aster really found his stride.

Kristian Rasmussen
>>45518447

I was disappointed with Midsommar. I mean, there were unsettling moments, but the movie was too long, the actors not nearly as good as those from Hereditary,and I had the feeling that it was some sort of re-make of Wicker Man. , at least concept wise, and that turned me off.

Jonas Hollerup
>>45518447

It's odd, I've seen Hereditary twice. First time I was very impressed by it, second time it completely fell apart for me. It felt too silly and the acting was too over the top for me. I did not like Midsommer either, hated the attempts at comedy and a lot of the acting. I feel like a native Scandinavian director could have made it much effective and truly creepy.

Adam Dugger

Is Steven the butler actually the Trawler? It’d make sense it being creepy and close to home for you and your friend group unknowingly being in the prescience of a sadistic killer with voyeuristic tendencies. Definitely need to publish this Bret. There’s not really any well written and engaging novels anymore, other than my most recent read The Churchgoer by Patrick Coleman.

Christopher Hooton

The real victim in this story is Bret’s poor high school girlfriend 😂

Anthony Giancola

The brilliance of Bret’s openings have been that I can’t tell what is true and what is made up of any of it is made up or true. Checked out Wobble Palace (wasn’t for me), but Spree was probably one of the best movies I’ve seen this year (for whatever that’s worth)

Billy Vega

Bret's support of Devs is weird. Show was average and laughably acted. Acting like this is an example of the death knell to movies is silly.

Jonesy

Having been recently hit like a truck by Bresson’s L’Argent and hovered above my body watching We Are Who We Are...cinema is dead. Long live whatever the fuck it is.

Matt Brown

Wow this segment...is it just me or is this the warmest prose Bret has ever written? The coveted numbness has finally given way to a beating boner. Laughed out loud when Bret described his girlfriend’s breasts pummeling his rib cage. Interview also on point. Love how Bret is getting movie guests to counter his lack of a movie review monologue. Would still love to hear his full Truffaut take and what he thought of “I’m Thinking of Ending Things.”

Kerry

Best eagles answer to date!

Billy Vega
>>45630340

100 per cent. It's one of the worst things Bret has recommended. I sometimes wonder if he gets carried away with his arguments and just lavishly praises on shows to help make his point rather than genuinely believing they're great. He seems very forgiving on TV in general. Dave was good, Ramy was good, Crown was all good. Everything is good basically! With movies he takes things a bit more seriously and I feel movies have to earn his respect more.

David Cortijo

Just saw Spree. Best 2020 movie so far.

WH

Thank you for asking “how do you make money?” No one seems to ask that question

Bazayer

Really enjoyed this episode - the DePalma vs Verhoeven debate was interesting !

Poetical Gore

Had to tap out after this guy's huge TDS

David Schur
>>46128250

all these "fuck your feelings" Trumpers sure get all snowflakey whenever someone says they don't like Dear Leader

David Schur
>>45630340

Agreed---started watching on BEE's recommendation and couldn't make it past 2 episodes. It was moronic

Chris Boyland
>>45340268

part of me agrees and part of me wonders how much fucking whining people like you were doing in the 60s when shit was actually going down

Erick

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Anyways good podcast, I enjoy this episodic sharing of your book.

Erick
>>46128250

Whatever my political leanings, I have no flakes to give lol

Agent MX7
>>45340268

The 60s protests were pro free speech, civil rights and anti interventionist wars... sound familiar? California is literally trying to repeal the affirmative action laws that resulted from said protests because they don’t allow race-based hiring practices!