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The B.E.E. Podcast - 11/15/20 - Sean Durkin - SILVER (Patreon)

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An odd pursuit down Ventura Boulevard culminates near the food court at the Sherman Oaks Galleria in Part 6 of The Shards. Filmmaker Sean Durkin and Bret discuss the autobiographical elements of The Nest, Hitchcock's The Birds as a crude vision of Hell and the complicated culpability of sex cult followers.

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Kerry

In which we pull back on the pace of plot and build tensions and learn more about Bret. Amazing and was feverishly waiting for this to drop today. Clock set for 2 weeks....

Lee Lawrence

Absolutely loving this serialisation. Please publish too and publicise it via an exhaustive world tour - after this year, you might actually enjoy it 😊

Tom Davidson

Did Bret’s mall encounter remind anyone else of the stalking mall scene in De Palma’s Body Double?

BZ00000

Did they ever post a schedule? I'd like to know when the Friday the 13th Part 4 commentary is coming.

Bazayer

The intros are interesting and provide more detail/context for the serialisation - it's almost like a DVD commentary. 'The Shards' is a cool title too. I enjoyed the conversation with Sean - it reminded me of the podcast with Eugene, nice to hear Bret discuss movies with younger filmmakers.

Charlie C

I've seen a bunch of articles today about Bret serializing the book. Almost seems like the press waited until the title was released today to talk about it. Not sure if it was intentional to hold out until the sixth installment to release the title or if Bret just came up with it, but this experiment is extremely rewarding so far.

John
>>47805029

Also, the desecration of the Griffin statue reminded me of the Mary statue desecration in The Exorcist.

Billy Schafer

Great movies list from Sean Durkin. Very eclectic. The Goonies was in my video rental rotation back in the late ‘80s as a kid. I understand how twenty-one-year-old Bret in 1985 shrugged it off as a silly juvenile fantasy – which it is – but I think he might have a greater appreciation for it today in the wake of entertainment being rigorously sanitized and diluted so nobody gets “triggered.” The Goonies is full of off-color humor, gags, and scares. The penis of the mini David statue breaking off and then the kids gluing it back on – upside down. Corey Feldman “translating” for the Spanish-speaking housekeeper. The kids frequently exclaiming “Oh, Shit!” The Fratellis threatening to mangle a child’s hand in a blender, while their hideously deformed brother/son is chained up in a basement. The Goonies is an “empire” movie; a relic of the analogue era when kids movies weren’t afraid to be a bit edgy and crass. Steven Spielberg, Richard Donner, and Chris Columbus didn’t patronize their audience. They knew kids – especially pre-teen boys – could be crude and sarcastic, and that they also understood the world was scary, and that the bad guys weren’t just bad, but sadistic (“Hit puree!!!”) If Bret gave Goonies another try today, I think he might actually find it sort of refreshing – silly, but refreshing.

CRAIG GLASPELL

I want to listen to this new book he's doing on this podcast, but, confusing to find it? is it JUST this episode? and anyway to load this into my Spotify podcast player? probably not eh?

Tyler Zalac
>>47860283

That’s correct, each part is available in the first hour of each of the last six pods. I’m sure it’ll become more widely available down the line.

Klintorious

Whoa, I got some serious douche chills listening to this guest. However, I’m really enjoying “Shards” and think it was an awesome idea to serialize the rough draft like this.

Billy Vega

Although I thought this segment - with it's macho car wars and ice cream in hand mall wooing - pushed believability, it was still engaging as hell and the tension is amping up! It's genius how each segment feels complete/satisfying in it's own way while forwarding the story and leaving you wanting more. I feel like all those failed TV scripts have had a big effect on Bret's writing in terms of plotting this.

Reservoir Frog

The book chapter was very engrossing this week. One thing that annoyed me (as a Brit) was Bret TWICE referring to Hitchcock as “an American filmmaker” - HE’S OURS! 😂

Christopher Hooton

“Bummed girls think of throwing parties all the time.”

Brian Rooney

So Franzen’s new book is October 2021. And hopefully Bret’s serial is published as a book next year too. Literature is not dead! (Or at least not dead yet for a white dude like myself)

D B

Durkin not convincing about Three Women. No chance he's seen it haha

JEREMY ROBERTS

The Shards - yeah. We finally have a BEE book where the narrative is more important than style. BEE is finally a storyteller! Love it.

Chris Gerard

1) Of course Robert Mallory drives a Porsche 911 2) Is this also the mall where the scene in "Commando" was filmed? The picture sure looks like the courtyard where Arnold swung down from the top level. 3) I wish we could get to know Debbie, Tom, and Susan more. I want to see them fleshed out more as real people, but I understand they ARE real people so maybe they shouldn't be exposed too much. 4) Tom Wright is becoming my hero, even though I don't know all that much about him. I think he's too good for Susan. 5) I'm dreading where this is leading. Mallory is a new definition of creepy.

Knokkel knokkel

We need a new intro. This “book” means nothing to me. We need Bret to update us on politics, COVID, state of the nation and movies!

Alexandru Constantin

I'm loving the book, I look forward to it every two weeks. I'm currently in the South Pacific so I don't get it until Monday my time. What I have realized with the podcast is that I love the book, love the monologues, but the guests are hit or miss. I seem to enjoy the literary and offbeat guests like Anna Khackyan(sp?) but can't stand most Hollywood types. Every actor/director is so goddamn dull, nothing exciting or interesting to say. I've heard better conversations between drunken Marines in San Clemente divebars.

Gabriel Jones
>>48035146

I completely agree: actors and most directors make incredibly dull guests, and Durkin is one of the most boring interviews I've ever heard on this pod. Bret tried to carry the conversation as much as he could, but it just dragged. Please get more lowbrow writers, critics, personalities, etc. Really enjoying The Shards ✌.

Alex Waller
>>48035146

I thought Durkin was okay. They were able to have a decent discussion about movies and Durkin said what he thought for the most part. I actually think the directors are usually always pretty good guests, Bogdanovich, Carpenter, and Schrader were all good episodes for sure. Actors can definitely be boring but Illeana Douglas was a great episode

Alex Waller

Who knows where movies will be after the pandemic ends. Difficult to say for sure. For me, I think about whether the audience will actually be there to pack into the big franchise films like they were before. We've had this terrible pandemic, add to that Marvel had their penultimate avengers film, and the new Star Wars trilogy finished up. I think there's actually a case that this current era of franchise film domination may be coming to an end.

Billy Schafer
>>48035146

I wish Bret would go on that podcast! He'd probably have a great chat with Joe Dante about movies. As long as they both avoid politics.

Paul Wasowicz

Love the pod! Support forever! 🤟

J Allen

The Killing of a Chinese Bookie by Cassavetes still one of the great LA movies and Ben Gazzara in it ! Have another look Bret 😀

Tom Davidson

Never watched a Cassavetes film yet. A first watch will be delayed surely now.

Steve

Book excerpt is great. Guest was stunningly boring. He didn't say one interesting thing in over an hour. That's hard to do.

Anthony Giancola
>>48399741

Bret’s reaction to Sean saying he liked “Portrait of a Lady on Fire” was priceless, and the opening was my favorite chapter yet, but yeah man Sean needed a cup of coffee or something

Sheryl Holland

I very much appreciated the discussion of "Shoot the Moon" which I saw right when it came out. An incredible movie, excellent performances, but hardly ever talked about.