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The B.E.E. Podcast - 1/24/21 - Young Kim - SILVER (Patreon)

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A torrid weekend of sex does little to distract Bret from his rising fear and paranoia in Part 11 of The Shards. Writer Young Kim and Bret discuss living with Malcolm McLaren, writing A Year on Earth with Mr. Hell and narcissism as a necessary component of success in the arts.

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Laura V
>>52145664

Agree with you! The hate this lady has for Vivienne Westwood... insane. I actually read her book and really liked it, but this interview confirmed many elements of her personality that I gleaned through the book.

Doa
>>52120461

2025 still cant figure this out have you?

Clive Desmond

Fantastic EP. Shards has me in its grip • The sound of the beach and the school bells off the top and at the end are awesome •

Brian Rooney

Bret, you’re looking in the wrong places. Kanye West is not a punk. Otherwise, you’re correct. But in terms of ethos, Kanye is an incorrect reference. There is a rock n’ roll scene. But it’s entirely boring. You’re right about corporate culture and I think my generation (Age 29) is content to sit on our phones rather than go to a show. (Kanye may be important to some but he is practically irrelevant to others.) I, too, could be wrong (and possibly using “ethos” incorrectly.) As for Johnny Rotten supporting Trump... Trump is not punk. Supporting Trump is not punk.

Darren Ankenman

Upon hearing her bs her way through the initial Jeffrey Deitch question, I knew this guest was going to catch some shit in the comments. Shards, still hypnotic.

BUtterfield8
>>52121293

I disagree. I think in some circles it is a little punk to be supporting Trump. Trump supporters are being openly discriminated against in hiring in many companies, and openly threatened by politicians. People applying to college or grad school feel that they need to scrub their social media so as not to be discriminated against in their application process. I'm Gen X and think that is madness. A 20 year old told me the other day that anyone who was at Charlottesville or the Capitol event (probably 1 million people) should be made ineligible for schools. I hate these kids.

BUtterfield8
>>52122364

What question was that? I thought she was great, but it was also a stroll down memory lane for me. I used to live right there basically between Bret and Richard Hell's places.

Darren Ankenman

the lead question, the beginning ... he asks her to talk about how Deitch offered her a job

MikeE

I feel so terrible for Malcolm....can you imagine? Did he live with ear buds and/or wax plugs in his ears? SHARDS just gets better and better. That moment where ‘happiness’ in the youthful sense is done, ends forever. Oy. And glad ‘going there’ with the sex scenes. As gay people we can be so ashamed of what we actually do, even when we think we’re not, that we’re over it. ‘They’ don’t want to hear it, they’ll be grossed out. And each episode just builds and builds with dread. Loving it.

BUtterfield8
>>52127401

I wonder if it got cut out of the Silver version. Would anyone mind summarizing? Jeffrey Deitch's original gallery had a lot of great stuff going on.

Chase

I think this might be the worst guest of all time. Basically she fucked a guy and wrote a book about it

Christian

In the context of today, of now, Kanye is totally punk.

girlindesert

I love Bret and he has superior elevated conversations. Today’s guest really rubbed me the wrong way. She was ungracious and negative. I am an aficionado of punk New York, punk LA and London . This guest did not impress me!

BUtterfield8

Richard Hell & The Voidoids' Destiny Street album has been repaired and remastered. I'm listening to it on Amazon Music HD. It sounds pretty good. Here's a YouTube preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8x1N5BNBs8&feature=emb_logo Edit: Bret, he famously lives in a rent-stabilized 5th floor (I think) walk-up. I think on 12th between 1st and A, or somewhere very close to that. I don't think they were selling many condos on that block in the 70s. :) It is the same apartment as the one on the album cover.

Mary Walker

Vivian Westwood still has a boutique in NYC as well as LA. and has survived for over 40 years in the fashion business.

Kristeen

Wow. I guess her real job is being strangely bitter and attempting to destroy the life and rep. of McLaren's former love and wife. Yes, poor Malcolm. He was such a victim of the menacing and evil young Westwood.There is so much Young Kim is saying that she can't possibly know...she knows what McLaren told her I suppose. What is the point of this? To me, this is the ugly side of "woman". Also, she says that McLaren looked down on home made clothes????!!!!!! That's all part of what punk is!! I'm not sure I can believe anything she says because I think her agenda is really just self-aggrandizement (in the context of the lives of the men she fucked). And what has SHE done in her life? Promote men? SO PUNK.

Brian Rooney

In all sincerity, is it becoming difficult to get guests?

Ramses Martinez

Just started listening to this podcast. I am again reminded why BEE is one of my favorite writers. Thank you, keep it coming

Reservoir Frog

John Frusciante would be a great guest.

Michael Yakutis
>>52132630

I agree entirely. I think this is the first ep of the BEE podcast that I didn't like, simply because of the guest. She comes off as kinda arrogant for someone who ends every sentence as a question.

Billy Vega

In music, I think you could say Death Grips have a punk attitude/energy/aesthetic Van Morrison's anti lockdown songs are pretty punk rock. But generally, it isn't seen as cool to be a 'disruptor.' Such a thing is associated more with trolling than being some sort of renegade artist. There isn't the same desire to see artists rebel in the mainstream since you can much more easily satisfy your need for something raw/'authentic' outside of that due to the internet.

Michael Yakutis
>>52130784

At least the Brownstein/Armisen episode was entertaining in its own way, and it gave Bret some interesting ongoing commentary afterward. This guest offered...nothing. I could barely get through the episode. I almost turned it off several times, which I have never wanted to do before.

Billy Schafer
>>52121293

Agree 100%, BUtterfield8. Anyone voicing even a remotely skeptical opinion about the social justice/representation/progressive narrative that has infested the culture is subjected to ridicule or punishment. What began as a slow leak from the radical fringes of academia decades ago has now flooded the consciousness of people everywhere. These fanatical idealogues are total hypocrites, bemoaning racism, oppression, and fascism while projecting these very same things onto people they don’t agree with. They have social media’s, Hollywood’s, and news media’s ears, and have exalted themselves as the new establishment. They’re the woke equivalent to the Christian Right’s Moral Majority of the 1970s and 80s. Trump gave zero fucks about that. I can’t think of anything more anti-establishment right now in the U.S. than telling some professor at a liberal arts college or a café barista in an urban artists enclave, “Actually, I voted for Trump.”

YourLateNightFriend

After this week we deserve an interview with Mr. Hell himself. He’d be way more interesting.

BUtterfield8

I just want to balance out all the negativity. I enjoyed the podcast very much and ordered her book, which I look forward to reading. I would have been interested in hearing more about what her work managing McClaren's estate and legacy entails. More of the nutty curator stories that she mentioned. How is punk being interpreted? I can't believe that Bret didn't follow up with a question about being a 26 year old virgin. Loving The Shards. I'm irritated that I have to wait so long for the next episode. That's how much I'm loving it.

BUtterfield8
>>52180928

That's an interesting point about how the internet may play into it. I enjoyed the Van Morrison anti lockdown songs.

Phoenix

The Shards was hot.

Alex Waller

This episode may have been good but I have no idea who any of the people mentioned were so I was lost the entire time. Too inside baseball for me for this one. I think it would be a good thing for Bret to interview some people who don't live in LA for a while. I'm here because I'm big fan of modern fiction writers. I've never been to LA or California. I have no doubt LA is a great place and I would love to go there one day myself but the never-ending talk about it is starting to wear me out a little

James__

I liked her. She's educated, funny and unafraid to voice her opinion. Good guest - nice to find out about someone I didn't really know about, despite knowing a bit about McLaren. Also- Bret, couldn't agree more about Mqueen's 'Lovers's Rock' The UK press was frothing about this in a manner reminiscent of the very strange enthusiasm error 'black panther'. I thought it was tedious and struggled to get through it. I thought I was going mad and the only person who thought this.

Fernando

She's so pretentious but I like it, bruce Wagners do not grow on trees you know, love the variety of "voices" that's what it's about!

Sct A
>>52143022

And still has stores across the world, with many in Asia and putting out very current collaborations for a younger marker that sell out very quickly (eg; asics). Extremely sought after vintage pieces too... Westwood still very much has a cult following so unsure why she seems to think it's not "in fashion" - if anything Kim sounds out of touch. The Trump comments too... boring.

Andrew Hannaker

Great guest, she was very interesting. Great podcast episode start to finish!

CRAIG A SCHWARTZ
>>52202686

Apparently John Lennon held Malcolm McClaren's beer; then Malcolm McLaren held Richard Hell's beer.

Jim Weaver

Memorable Shards, forgettable guest. And missed the flow of bumper music.

Michele Ross

So glad to be amongst kindred spirits here. This guest is completely insufferable, from her voice to her entitlement to her attitude. Her self-aggrandizement and sense of superiority are dumbfounding. I feel visceral pain trying to continue the ep and would gladly settle for an Amanda Milius redux instead. But if she’s good enough for BEE, she’s good enough for me... or so I’ll tell myself as I suffer through another hour of my ears bleeding.

Alan Crowther
>>52278937

If you dislike a guest, you dislike a guest, but there's no reason to be spiteful.

James__

On this topic (maybe of interest to no one) but I think this is the definitive punk documentary that few have seen that catches up and interviews many of the characters mentioned: McLaren, Westwood, Lydon etc. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg5vKaukc3U It also has a strange history. Broadcast only once on UK tv in the summer of '95 and never again (occasionally at festivals perhaps) it really is pretty definitive and captures the protagonists in their mid to late 30's when they were still mostly beautiful. Siouxsie Sioux is particularly.....electrifying.

Erick

Another great pod!

Erick
>>52278937

I don't know if I would be friends with Young, I'd have to know her but I don't think she was self aggrandizing or pretentious. Everyone's life is different. She seemed very cosmopolitan, educated and well travelled. One's perception of another's pretention can just be yourself never having had that life. She didn't seem entitled to anything, she works and created a piece of literature. Reducing her to just a girl that fucked some cool dudes is really meh and whatever. She lived and spent time with interesting and influential men. It's interesting. She had a story to tell and told it. I personally don't give a shit about punk or the music but appreciate it's influence on pop culture. I guess people squirt whatever badness from their own lives on everything they watch, read or hear that isn't a shared experience.

Thomas Raworth

Lydon advertises butter now. He’s about as punk as Enya

Salomon Vertiz

An exceptional guest and episode. Young had interesting opinions that didn't always coincide w/Bret's and that's what makes discussions on this podcast engaging. Ordered her book almost immediately and am excited to read it.

Harold B

This was the first podcast I couldn't get through. When she said that she lives off the money her deceased husband left her, but that it's "not as much as she thought it'd be," I checked out. Jesus Christ. A rare miss for the BEE Podcast.

Seneca Garcia

Let’s not forget that punk wasn’t the most resilient subculture to begin with (basically could never take a challenge, survive Reaganism)- so the fact that lowest common denominator populism of Trump could co-opt or be associated with such, forty years after the fact, is only more apart of an autopsy than a characteristic rising Phoenix arc. Also, it has a lot to do with the pluralism of our culture, where anything can be appropriated and bastardized. That John Lydon is now pro Trump has more to say about him personally, that the aesthetic — don’t confuse overtness for being “advanced” (which is what every Trump supporter succumbed to). Though, let’s count Kanye’s meltdown, and his attempt to syphon votes from the Dems vis a vis the help of Jarod Kushner this summer, as the final death knell of rap. Also, I really enjoyed the guest and want to get her book . . .

Tommy Stronach

She’s never thought of the Eagles?!?!?! So she’s saying Blank Generation is a better song than Heartache Tonight?

David Cortijo

Johnny Rotten love for Trump it’s ok for me. Sex Pistols in Barcelona was the best musical experience in my entire life. Every Rotten’s inch it’s absolutely punk.

Kerry

This latest Shards was amazing

Raúl
>>52392774

This was the funniest moment; It obliged Bret to go in an entirely different direction. Also, It makes me wonder if Young Kim has ever listened to the podcast, but If she has, what a jarring way of ending the conversation. The episode was ok for me, since it made learn about a world totally alien to me, although I understand some of the complaints. Personally, I feel so disconnected from pop music that, in fact, the episodes featuring people from the music industry are always my least favorite.

Jack

Have John Maus on the podcast

Dave
>>52334899

I ordered a copy, too. It's my first experience ordering a limited edition printing. Heck, I hardly read anything but e-books these days! Looking forward to reading.

Klintorious

I ain't a queer or nothin, but that sex scene between Bret and "Ryan Vaughn" was really hot

BrienPiechos
>>52121293

The only anti-establishment position on can take in this moment is that of the Alt-Right. They speak truth to power, are attacked by power for it, deplatformed, censored, hunted, etc. The left have been co-opted and are the foot soldiers of the corporate agenda. Trump may not be "punk" but you know what is certainly not punk? Punk.

BrienPiechos

Todd warned me this was going to be a controversial guest. Thankfully Bret did most of the talking and deftly pushed through the awful response to his Trump question. What I found odd was Kim, having been adjacent a legendary media manipulator, has such a shallow understanding of the Trump phenomenon and regurgitated the BigTech/MSM verbatim. That said. I fully understand why Bret invited her on, but she didn't. And that was the problem. The subject of her book is a fascinating cultural influencer and that's who people want to hear about. She should have stuck to a few anecdotes about the Sex Pistols and the early punk rock scene, played to the audience, and understood that she is the messenger, not the focus. That alone speaks to her misunderstanding, or complete lack of understanding, about what punk was (or is). She's just been waiting for a moment in the spotlight. At least, yet again, Bret identified the problems and bulldozed through the lines of inquiry that were doomed and focused on topics the guest could latch onto. He's got great instincts.

Caroline
>>52625158

Nothing queer about finding it hot...question why we’re programmed to believe why we should only enjoy sex with the opposite gender...

Nathan Prince

Excellent interview. Fascinating guest. I'm always interested in a woman's POV and Bret is perceptive and engaging. I myself know nothing of punk music or punk history and had to Google both McLaren and Hell. Both quite fascinating. Bret doesn't need A-listers or B-listers to make this work. Writers always interest me though so I guess I'm biased.

Alex Bielovich

19:00 - "What do you think of The Eagles?"

Gabriel Jones

Adults talking about what is/isn't punk... in 2021....is beyond embarrassing and boring. This guest was such an uncharitable bore (you like sex? Wow cool) who unwittingly reveals why the 'punk counter-culture' ended or never really existed the way it is popularly remembered: 'punk' was/is mostly an aesthetic consciously constructed by pretentious, middle-class, art school strivers; 'selling out' was not a violation of some authentic code or ethic, but the thinly veiled rule.

Gabriel Jones

The Shards is still worth the price of subscription...but where have all the fun and interesting guests gone?

Dirk
>>52204841

Sounds like a you problem. A lot of us love the LA-centric podcast.