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The B.E.E. Podcast - 2/7/21 - Alison Martino - SILVER (Patreon)

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Bret is spellbound by a sudden new glamor radiating from Susan Reynolds and enraged after an encounter with Robert Mallory on the bleachers in Part 12 of The Shards. Writer/Producer/Historian Alison Martino and Bret discuss her dad's unusual route to landing a role in The Godfather, the sad evaporation of mall culture and the current architectural demise of the Sunset Strip.

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Mike Rankin

Loving the Shards, just listened to this in 2023, have followed Alison’s FB group for years. What is happening in LA is happening everywhere, bland, massive, prefabricated buildings replacing entire city blocks. Every city looks the same. I live in Royal Oak MI, our Landmark Main Art Theater was torn down last year for a new development.

Alex Bryan

Just the other day I thought to myself "Bret could fill an entire 2 hour podcast describing malls and movie theatres and like a fucking moron I'd probably listen to it." I am now a confirmed moron

Karl Johansson

I’m from a smaller town in Sweden and have only spent maybe 8 weeks total in LA over the years - but I absolutely LOVE the stories of ”old LA” and all the details from Los Angeles and Southern California. It is simply magical to listen to and LA is STILL paradise to me. Loved this episode!

BUtterfield8

I am new to Alison Martino's Facebook and Twitter, and surely she will have covered this important topic. Came here to say that I miss Jurgensen's! Those stores, with the house charge account, got me through high school. Trivia question: in what favorite movie of Bret's is Jurgensen's mentioned?

Brian Rooney

Los Angeles Plays Itself. For those of you who have not seen this documentary, get on it!

Ski Milius

I love the brightness of Los Angeles, that orange sky and vistas, even the smog, especially on film. Friedkin's To Live and Die in L.A. is a good example of that - where cinematic beauty is not merely seen, but palpable.

Billy Schafer
>>53213469

The shot of those silhouetted palm trees against the sun rising over the mountains in the opening title sequence has mesmerized me since childhood! First saw it in a TV ad for its broadcast premiere in 1988. Takes my breath away every time I watch it.

Billy Schafer

Great anecdotes from Martino! I'm from the Northeast; never been to California (layover in LAX on a Hawaiian trip doesn't count) but I didn't mind them indulging in their L.A. nostalgia. Their passion is palpable. Still think Once Upon... is meh, but I understand their personal attachments to the movie's location and era won them over. Sobering to think mentioning names like Sinatra or Bugsy Siegel in Hollywood and Vegas draw puzzled responses nowadays!

Scott E.

What a great guest! Highly enjoyable. And this one didn’t pimp out her dad and then trash him relentlessly like that truly awful Amanda Milius.

Vin Bravo
>>53213469

Speaking of, where the hell can you stream that? Been trying to see that for years other than buying a DVD...

Darren Ankenman

Another great early 70s glimpse of Los Angeles is “reyner banham loves los angeles” ....a 50 minute documentary about a British guy who gets his driver’s license , flies to LA... and explores the city. It’s easy to find. I think it’s up on Vimeo and YouTube. (Same with Los Angeles Plays Itself, it’s on YouTube)

Sértő-Radics Sarolta
>>53203805

I've only been to LA for about an hour when I was 9, but could listen to this episode if it went on forever. A real delight, loved it!

Brian Rooney

“I dunno, Adam. Is this too ‘insider baseball’?” Harsh dig at the comments from last week, Bret. Very harsh!

Dan Zilic

Really liked this episode. The Shards is great and the guest was a blast and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. Even the comment section seems to be relieved and has nothing to complain about any longer <3

Fernando

I liked the episode , the granular detail even if I didn't live it mkay, I even think the mask of cool detachment dropped a little and Brett betrayed an enthusiasm that was cute, verbally ya know, Brett is very verbal 💋

Brian Rooney

Sorry for the excessive comments. But: great, great, great, great podcast! Bret laying down the law! Ideology is the art. There is no history.

Justin Christopher

Another phenomenal episode and guest, thank you Brett, Adam and Alison Martino! I just wanted to share a little piece of trivia discovered by Adam Carolla (Feb 2 opening after a hot dog discussion) this past week about our collective love for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. For anyone that knows or gives Adam half a second, lol he’s extremely dialed into little bits of minutia. Adam said he was driving his car and the Rolling Stones song (out of time) came on from the scene when Leo comes back to the airport from the spaghetti westerns with his new wife. When Adam looked at his car screen the graphics said Chris Farlowe which bumped him. Long story short, through a fairly complex of meta-release dates and re- recordings the song used in Tarantino‘s film was in 1975 throwing the timeline. As an aside a funny comment about how LAX is perfect since they haven’t renovated that hallway since the 50s, lol. #vintagela

Michael Yakutis

Great episode! A huge breath of fresh air after last week's guest. I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the old school LA landmarks mentioned, but her love and enthusiasm for the city made it so enjoyable to listen to.

Alex Waller
>>53263106

Haha, that's pretty funny, I haven't listened to the episode yet but that's my comment he's referring to. To be fair, I didn't trash the episode, I just didn't know who anyone was that they were talking about... not that it would've been that hard to look on wikipedia. It's totally cool to have some back and forth and that is one of the best aspects of the podcast and its community(couldn't think of a better word). I do really miss the film reviews, they were always my favorite part of the podcast and there's been films that have come out within the last couple months that would be great to hear Bret talk about, regardless if I agreed with the take.

Billy Vega

Good episode but Once Upon a Time in Hollyood was not a good movie and certainly did not deserve best original screenplay - it's bloated, overlong and self-indulgent. Parasite was very cleverly plotted and paced perfectly. Easily the best screenplay of that year. For me, Tarantino has always had great ideas and had movies of excellent individual moments - scenes, fragments, performances, scenes of dialogue - but they never come together to make a satisfying whole. The closest he came for me since Jackie Brown was Inglorious Bastards, though this is basically just two fantastic scenes (opening and basement bar) with an ending that did not satisfy at all. The only thing that Hollyhood has is a human warmth with the friendship at the core of the movie which suggests Tarantino could make more emotive movies in the future.

Nick B

Very much enjoyed this episode. LA/Hollywood has been lame during the COVID era that this conversation helped me find that spark again. Been watching LA based films the last week (American Gigolo, The Player). I’ll do Earthquake next. Thanks!

Seneca Garcia

Okayyyyy . . . Best episode and guest (last weeks guest was classic too) - come visit Houston (the LA of Texas) Bret!

Fan

my favorite guest and conversation between you two! really great stuff! thanks

Jack

I think Bret is describing pre-pandemic downtown LA, and has not been there lately.

YourLateNightFriend

This was such a fun listen. I’m not an LA native but I do genuinely love the city and it was great to hear the enthusiasm with which these two true locals discuss their home town.

Jorge Espinha

Speaking of LA noir, what about Bosh? I never been to LA so it's hard for me to judge, but in the series LA is the main character. The thing thar scares me about LA is the traffic, can you see the city without being stuck in traffic all the time?

Jorge Espinha
>>53205321

It took me some time to find out what were you talking about. The last store closed in 1993! I guess that's like that all over the world. The amalgamation of commerce.

Alex Waller
>>53443604

Bosch is a cool show. One show I think about with LA is Southland, very cool show still worth checking out, especially season 4 which can be watched without watching the prior 3

Eric Macom
>>53443604

Bosch does a great job showing LA. Yes, it is possible to see the city and not be in traffic. I admit since the pandemic the traffic situation is pretty decent!

Eric Macom

The Formosa is amazing now!!! It’s like stepping into 1940.

Jorge Espinha

This is a comment I posted in the Gold version, there's more people in Silver! I loved the podcast. I wish I knew more about LA in order to enjoy the conversation more. My favorite movie is "the big lebowski" (has a reference to "the eagles"), unfortunately the bowling alley from the movie is no more, which I guess is a big loss to the city, the movie has other architectural curiosities, so I think I can understand the pain to see some of it gone. I totally understand Sinatra being upset, I'm not sure who was to blame but nobody saw her dad's character as a composite, that was Frank Sinatra!

JEREMY ROBERTS

Great show. Still digging THE SHARDS. I'm thinking it's my favorite BEE book. Loved the Kiwi reference - Neil Finn and Split Enz. 'I got You' - that was one hell of a track on the dance floor. I used to visit Sunset Boulevard just to check off the famous locations. Not worth it now. Still have my photos from the 80s. 'LA Plays Itself' is a great watch - many movies not included, of course. I used to sneak into the The Chateau - just went with the tips. I wrote a poem about it - but the layout doesn't work in this field. Hey - Bret, have you ever asked Kenneth Anger to be on the show. He is still around, I believe. I met him twenty years ago in Auckland. he screened some movies and signed Hollywood Baby 2. He would be brilliant. The last time I saw him in public was when he was championing Bunker Spreckels. BTW, did you ever see Jeffrey Lee Pierce and The Gun Club play in Hollywood - circa 81/82?

Jeremy Gray
>>53443604

Michael Connell (author of the Harry Bosch books) would not give up the rights to a TV show unless filmed in LA (versus Vancouver for example). Almost all of the restaurants and bars in the books and the show are real and each has its own LA charm.

MikeE

Man this episode is the embodiment of mixed feelings for me. Spent 24 years in LA, my entire post-college professional life until 5 years ago when I left. I loved the city from day one, and more than that, felt at home....amongst my tribe, the ‘special’, the place where dreaming not only isn’t scorned as is it most other places but almost a given. Of course those are the exact things that eventually grow incredibly tiresome, once you finally grow beyond it, see through it. I loved the vast flat grids of both the Basin and Valley sides, taking any of the endless Boulevards from Downtown to the coast, Olympic being my favorite. I loved the endless density of the city, and it drove me crazy that even those living in it thought of it as undense and ‘sprawling’ (hint: a city can be both.) I both loved and hated its centerlessness, and how even now being Downtown still feels like being OUT of the center. It’s inherently disorienting. As my entire career was in the Industry, of course LA is forever linked with the emotional ups and downs of that. The old ABC center is this stressful project, the Fox lot both my first and last projects. Fresh thrill and dead jaded burnout. CBS TV city triumphs and disasters. Coming out, first boyfriend, the first romantic betrayal, the love of my life. It’s where my life happened. Yet I’m very happy to be gone. I was last back Christmas’19 and I cannot believe how much worse everything is, from homelessness to trash everywhere, to everyone seeming so angry and stressed out and isolated. And all the new, uniformly hideously ugly construction, the awful glass box highrises Downtown, the endless block-long monolithic five story boxes on main streets, suburban complexes plopped down in the middle of the city, that ruin the entire feel of the city. As Alison said, you don’t know where you are anymore when it used to be unmistakable. And everything Ryan Murphy makes is hack cliche, truly the epitome of how genuinely middlebrow creatively hollow unartistic people having the most success in Hollywood now. I couldn’t lie about ‘oh I loved it’ with junk like his anymore and that’s when it’s time to get out. Now, with the intersectional agenda truly taking over (and of course the death of ANY possibility of art) and cancel mobs I can’t IMAGINE how awful it must be in the business now. People must be terrified to say ‘good morning’....

Arthur Ricardo Sousa Machado
>>53824053

Holy shit man. That sounds bleak. I hope you're doing well. If I may ask, why did you leave L.A? Was it because you were bothered by it or were you pushed out by the changes you rally against?

Erick
>>53194939

I dig it too. I'd really dig Bret reading American Psycho audio book and I'd pay $20 for it haha

Erick
>>53223670

Can't one compliment a pod without then putting poop frosting on it?

Erick

I liked this podcast, it's interesting to hear about people's love of a city that I don't like. I love the restaurants in L.A. but never been a fan of the typical dislikes people have of L.A.

Jack
>>53407769

My point is simply that pre-pandemic downtown was much more vibrant than it is currently.

Matt Markwalder

Alison Martino is a living, breathing treasure. Such a great guest!

Antonio Primavera

Again, I am on the side of the Mansons. Fuck Sharon Tate and those others! Charlie had vision!