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The B.E.E. Podcast - 4/18/21 - Joe Lynch - SILVER (Patreon)

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Bret spends his Sunday anxiously anticipating an important afternoon meeting in Beverly Hills in Part 17 of The Shards. Filmmaker Joe Lynch and Bret discuss the unbridled bombast of Spielberg's 1941, the crude beauty of A Serbian Film and the recently released Snyder cut of 2017's Justice League.

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Isaac Mahaffey

A Serbian Film is actually a good movie. Glad other people liked it.

Isaac Mahaffey

Unreal hearing you talk about going to the movies with Josh. He and I talk movies all the time but since he's moved out of the country we haven't been able to go to the cinema together.

Alex Waller

Props to Bret for standing up for Zack Snyder's DC work. So tired of hearing they aren't "hopeful" enough. I've read a bunch of DC Comics and the majority of the time they have a serious tone, majestic artwork, and a low-key color palette. I honestly don't understand how so many people who read the source material can be so against these movies when they're faithful to the comics in all of the ways that matter. Although I honestly don't know what Zack was thinking casting Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Jesse Eisenberg is great but that was a miscast with a performance that's basically just ripping off Heath Ledger's Joker.

Billy Vega

I thought he was harsh on Sound of Metal. I thought it was a powerful story - well structured. The use of sound in it was something different even if visually it had little 'spectacle.' I am seeing some trend with 'Sound of Metal' and the Pixar film 'Soul' of movies about giving up on grander aspirations and accepting a small life that you find some sort of peace with. Maybe that's the best we can hope for what with everything that's happened in 2020. If we observe what's going on right now, it appears we'll be lucky to even have that.

Alex Waller
>>58057534

I think the last section in the Sound of Metal when Riz goes to the girlfriend's father's house was great. His girlfriend and bandmate, who clearly had some troubles, is nearly unrecognizable after being in a nurturing environment and not on the road touring. If I remember correctly, she kind of gives him a 'we'll see' when he suggests getting back on the road to tour. But as viewers, we can see that there's no chance that she'll ever get back into that RV again, it's over for that band. I think Bret is being a bit terse calling the characters in this film and nomad land depressing people. Riz's character is a highly motivated person who takes good care of himself and believes he can accomplish things. It's just that an event happens in his life that is so seismic that he has to adapt big time. Kind of the same deal for the nomads in nomad land too. Not many of the nomads were out there because of economic depression, they were out there because events had happened in their lives that made rethink the more conventional lives they were living before. It actually has kind of the same scenario Sound of Metal does when Francis goes to visit Strathairn who's now in a good place with his son and newborn grandson, and we know he's done living life on the road for good. I totally get Bret's frustration with these films, and it was fun to hear the reactions to them on the podcast. But I did think there was more to chew on there than just a depression fest.

Billy Vega
>>58057534

Yeah, I think Bret just does not like stories that are not full of sex and glamour and 'fun.' I found Sound of Metal to be a soulful story actually. It was about having to change what you value in your life and how difficult that is. SPOILER: even though he turned his life around with the deaf community, he still was yearning for his old life. The tragedy was he didn't value what he'd built from becoming deaf enough. He was still holding onto his old ideals. But the movie does not give him a shmaltzy ending where he charges back in and throws some hearing aids on the table before hugging his sponsor and saying, 'I'll stay here forever!' NO. He has to lose that and face the loss of what he had before as well to finally change his mindset. It's a hard fought character change. The ending is not the one we expect, but it delightfully finishes off a previously laid breadcrumb trail and leaves plenty to our imaginations of what might come next. It's a powerful story and the message reminds me a little bit of The Wrestler - that we need to learn when to let go of certain stages of our lives and embrace positive change. The warnings from Gatsby came to my mind watching this too: 'you can't repeat the past!' I also get Bret's critique that it isn't fun but...it isn't interesting? I beg to differ. A man going through a crisis on the best way to live his life is incredibly interesting to me at least. Also how is this guy just some loser? He's a great drummer, he learns sign language pretty quickly, he can draw really well, is decent looking and has some neat band shirts. What...because he isn't the kind of man Bret admires/finds cool he's a total loser? I just don't get that interpretation. It's not like he's just some sulking millennial playing videogames all day who loses their hearing and so is complaining about needing to watch Netflix with subs. From Bret's review, you'd think he was like that.

Alex Waller
>>58057534

Yeah, I think Bret means that these films lack an engine to power them, a sense of vitality. Like even if the subject matter is not glamorous there's a still a film maker really breathing life into it. That probably is a genuine criticism that you could put on some of these films. One of my favorite films is the Insider, certainly not a glamorous main character or a glamorous subject, but the energy and atmosphere Mann brings to it is utterly incredible. You can tell he loves movies and that he wants the viewer to have a great time watching it. It's not sensational or bombastic in any typical way, but kind of is both of those things in its own way. I would probably argue that films like Sound of Metal and Nomadland are made by people with talent, and that there are definitely some thought provoking aspects to those films. At the same time, both films could use a shot in the arm for the excitement of making and enjoying the film for its own sake.

David Willis

Really loved the guest this week. His passion for hardcore horror and cinema was a really fun listen. One of the best guests for a while.

Troy Conner

Man.. this interview was quite the ride this time, and I absolutely loved it.

Charlie C

A plot heavy Shards episode segueing into nothing but movies for 3 hours? BEE podcast at it's best

Michael Walsh

There are many sad things in The Shards, all summed up in that constant refrain: "the empty house on Mulholland Drive."

valleyboy

Living here in the San Fernando Valley amid the haze of the fading pandemic and looking out on an uncertain world, listening to The Shards is like a piece of chocolate cake I look forward to every two weeks. From a hike I do with my dog, I can look down on Verdant Field at The Buckley School where some scenes take place. I try to imagine myself in my the crosshairs of the characters. Or when I get Starbucks at The Galleria - the shards of it - thinking of Robert Mallory stalking Brett in the Robinsons May department store that no longer exists. Would it be the Buffalo Wild Wings now or Cheesecake Factory? Or the 24 Hour Fitness? I also find myself Googling events, trying to find connections. I did see the piece about the small plane flying into The Galleria, but that was about it. But I gave those rabbit hole deep dives up and am just enjoying the story now, more and more. Hoping it never ends as I’m not sure how I’ll fill the void when it does.

Bazayer

One of the best podcasts. Great hearing Bret talk about movies for 2hrs + with a fellow film fanatic and I now have a long list of movies I need to check out. More of this in future please.

Will Cross
>>58182445

Fully backed. Would love an ep exactly like this dedicated to horror films. The chat on Alien, Carpenter and Ari Aster was incredible.

James__

Joe Lynch was a great guest, so knowledgeable and I always like it when the guest and Bret are friends. Pretty traumatic episode of the Shards and I really hope Chingi makes it. I do worry.

Peter Walker

Well, every time Bret renounces ideology in films I think back to the Amanda Milius episode and its Trump marketing aesthetic... This was one of the best ever episodes though - loved Joe’s passion for film, and great to hear Bret talking about moviegoing experiences again, even if they’re crap. Sometimes especially when they’re crap. The version of Hallelujah that played at the end of the Snyder Cut was his daughter’s favourite song. I suspect that’s why it got another guernsey.

Sherlock

Wiki says Joe Lynch is 71.... whaaa?

WH

This guy sucks. Lynch.

Jolijn Snijders

Brett, thanks so much for having these open convos. I have learned so much about the ins n outs of movie bizz as well as getting more and more intrigued by the book you are writing and reading to us.. Plus this guest Joe Lynch was great and you two going back and forth about movies, disagreements sometimes was just what I needed!... I wish we would sit at a bar so I could join in this conversation! Every time someone mentions Michael Haneke my eyes light up, I hope genre directors like these are not a dying breed and they will keep rising. I am a sucker for those realistic, unnerving, dark stories that keep resonating in our brains. Btw Possession? If anyone hasn't seen it do it RIGHT now. Thanks to both for so many other recommendations X

Michael Moskalev

This guy "loved" last jedi and hated boogie nights. U have an hour with BEE, and this is what you bring to the table? Talk about shitting the bed! Never have the fool on again!

Antonio Primavera

He's right. <i>A Serbian Film</i> was really good. I expected to be shocked...and I was. But it was really well-done. Haneke (HAHN-UH-KUH, like the Jewish X-Mas) needs to come back!

Antonio Primavera

The best (and unexpected) part of <i>I'm Thinking of Ending Things</i> by Charlie Kaufman was a dissection of Cassavettes' <i>A Woman Under the Influence.</i> That almost saved this film. It was quite funny. *blows raspberry* :)