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S7E10: Mr. Misery (Patreon)

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Bret Easton Ellis talks about watching hit television shows barely tread water, processing pain without dealing blame and wielding pragmatism to fend off regret as he struggles to stay positive in a world lacking purpose. 

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Jessyca Estrada

From one martini lover to another, remember that martinis are like tits, 1 isn’t enough and 3 is too many.

PETER GREER

Very insightful episode I’m 58 & have entered the unattractive chapter of my life much to my dismay…..

OSOS

Are we thinking it’s QT that had been in discussions to direct..? Don’t think Bret would talk about him that way, but that’s the only person I had previously seen ppl guessing/wanting to do it. Trying to think who would be perfect, but also ask such a crazy amount of $?

bpvalentine
>>107144189

I haven't listened yet, so I'm a bit out of turn here. I think QT would be amazing, but he's working on a new movie now. Somehow Nicolas Winding Refn comes to mind. But Bret has said The Informers adaptation to film suffered due to the director not being American. So that might leave out Refn.

OSOS
>>107144189

Yeah he said it was someone ppl have been guessing and they wanted too much money. And they’re the perfect fit.

sasha
>>107144189

My guess is no given it was stated the director in question wanted the money and the “prestige of HBO” and I would think Tarantino is considered higher lauded in quality than HBO—but he was my guess. Or Sam Levinson but given he already has two HBO shows there’s no way

OSOS
>>107144189

Yeah Im caught up on the fact this person wanted so much money…. Refn would be cool but hasn’t Bret been impartial to his stuff before?

bpvalentine
>>107144189

I wonder if they would put out an offer to Todd Field. I bet he'd be a great pick. Sasha, Sam Levinson occurred to me while listening. It's probably somebody who grew up in L.A. I'm really narrowing it down there, aren't I? haha.

N.M. Janice.
>>107144189

Could it be Luca Guadagnino, because didn’t he say on a previous episode something about not reviewing Bones and All due to reasons that will become clear when an announcement is made? I’m guessing the HBO deal is what he was referring to. Either that, or Chalamet is in the the cast?

OSOS
>>107144189

Oh.. good point! I remember that - doesn’t he mention Luca in this episode, about seeing photos of something he’s working on? Wild guess - but along the lines of someone from LA, maybe PTA? But I doubt it

Patrick

Great episode. 🐝 and Adam are awesome together.

bpvalentine

My break ups have always been like a Jesus Mary Chain song. I love Bret just sharing what his favorite porn sites are. That's an aspect to Bret's writing I try and take to heart. He doesn't shy away from what could be really embarrassing, he LEANS INTO IT. And I respect it. That's the best shit. Like in The Shards, faux Bret trying to initiate a sexual encounter in the pool house and it's just not happening. For me, emotionally, that's almost the key to the whole book, that scene. I hope any adaptation holds on to it.

Steve

This episode is fine, but there seems to be a lack of effort that is weakening the show. They are just winging it. Little to no preparation lately. There hasn't been a significant guest in quite a while.

Thomas Edwards

Respectfully suggest kava for dread/ anxiety and valerian for sleep. By no means medical advice, but surely healthier than benzos + alcohol! You need to wake up the next day. PS friends joke that an age difference of 10 years as a stand alone factor in and of itself makes the younger person seem at least 15% more attractive to the older partner - than if they met/did the wild thing at the same age.

Thomas Edwards
>>107144189

QT would be worth anything, given the audience he would bring. But can't imagine him doing HBO.

richard owain roberts

am going to listen on my run. will say more later, after my run.

Jonathan Davis

Alcohol is great, but also can be a potent depressant. Feel better, Bret. Great episode.

Emily B

Stupid to say but I really think the late Jean Marc Vallee who directed Sharp Objects would have done such a wonderful job with The Shards adaptation... If it wasn't Luca that backed out I would absolutely love him to do it. Other dream is Fincher tbh!

N.M. Janice.
>>107144189

Based on how Bret is talking about the director, it really does not sound like QT to me. I think that HBO would be willing to splurge on him. A QT directed mini series would be a first and a big cultural event. The other thing is that after Jackie Brown, Tarantino said that he is only really interested in doing his own projects. He is coming to the end of his career and is more than financially stable. He likes The Shards, and him and Bret are buddies. If he was interested in directing the material, I doubt he would be holding out for a massive payday.

Bazayer
>>107144189

Luca Guadagnino or Sam Levinson sound likely - can't imagine Tarantino doing a teen series.

sasha
>>107168580

Exactly! Sex solicited as a shorthand for affection because of the shame felt about soliciting affection + the shame then experienced about either oblique sexual rejection or hypothetical rejection is the whole core of the book

Morgan Hobbs

Beat the Devil is one of my favorite comic thrillers from that era. Very entertaining flick. Also, I did once catch on fire at a party, when I backed into a votive candle. Lost the sweater but fortunately not my hide.

James Bandy
>>107144189

Looking at Refn's Instagram it looks like he was in LA around early April, so the timing would line up.

Phoenix

I’m 43, told I’m attractive and get ghosted most of the time. I think a lot of guys are like that guy that wrote in. Always on the look out for something better. Dating apps have killed romance. Change my mind.

Michael
>>107144189

Luca sounds highly plausible. I first thought Tarantino, but he’s not going to do someone else’s material. Roger Avary, but he wouldn’t turn that down, or Gaspar Noe, but he’s too weird.

Steve

The need to do a weekly podcast was a bad idea. The episodes feel lazy and tossed off lately. Better to go back to less frequent but more prepared shows. I liked when Bret opened with a monologue, then talked about a movie or TV show, then spoke to an interesting guest for an hour or so.

Adam Dugger

Has Bret ever discussed Better Call Saul?

Stephen
>>107208559

If you weren't allowed to tell people about your stupid fucking run would you still run.

Tom
>>107171129

I think the Adam-bret riffing episodes are the most enjoyable

Tom
>>107256645

He didn't like Breaking Bad (surprisingly) so I doubt he'd have watched BCS

P Smoke
>>107249871

Agree. Even if there’s nothing in pop culture really grabbing Bret, there’s definitely scope for more prepared shows around other / older aspects of culture. For instance, I loved his deep dive on the Halloween franchise.

Nikki Ferrari

I love the weekly Podcasts. I don’t give a shit what Bret talks about. I would listen to this man read the phonebook backwards.

Graeme

Much prefer pods like this over the one with that dial tone last week

Thomas Edwards
>>107103928

And the Parker quote: I like a Martini, two at the very most. After three I'm under the table, after four I'm under the host.

Ashley
>>107171129

Well he did just finish a book tour and is now working on a show…give the man a break.

OSOS
>>107144189

Thinking Luca makes sense, would definitely prefer his aesthetic touch over Levinson. Euphoria is ok but his aesthetics are too grimy, for lack of a better word, than what I’d like to see the Shards presented as

Nick Not Nolte

cooper hoffman as bret ellis in hbo’s THE SHARDS! let’s do this! book it lol

Robin Hunter

I normally dont comment on here but i wanted to say I love every podcast and guest. Even if the guest isn't blowing me away Bretts take is always fascinating even if I disagree. That's why I listen.

Nikki Ferrari

Its so obvious the director in question is Tarantino. 1) He was the person rumored when the book came out. 2) Bret lauded him as the main person to shoot an ode to la for two+ years after once upon a time came out. And … The Shards isn’t a “teen series.” There is nobody alive who would shoot l.a. better than QT and direct a “hang out vibe” show better than QT. Sucks he passed on it.

Christopher Ward

Tarantino is gearing up to shoot his next (and possibly last) film so I doubt he’d have committed himself to an HBO series, and besides, I’m sure HBO would have splurged on him if he had demanded more money.

Richard Raymond

Absolutely loving these no guest episodes. I personally prefer it.

Dave

Hat tip to Adam for the Spiro Agnew reference.

Ben

This was a great podcast.

Raf

Bret should interview Martin Sorrondeguy. It would be a cool gay conversation

Neil G.

Nice; he came back around to Gatsby...an excellent adaptation of the novel, surprisingly faithful without losing any credibility as a film. With solid performances; Redford's a Great Gatsby 😁😁✌🏼✌🏼. The visual symbolism is emboldened through its literal depiction, and, like the rest of the novel, translated marvelously. And yeah, I got through Gatsby in a day as well, last year. Read Sun Also Rises the following day. Hemingway's classic reinvented literature after Gatsby pretty much closed the door on European Classicism (of any kind --- modernism was the final curtain)

Brian Rooney

I guess the “conspiratorial” part is calling COVID “complete bullshit”. 🤷‍♂️

Matt

Great ep. Love the Bret/Adam back and forth dynamic. Bret, maybe consider swapping out the benzos for some kratom? Benzos are baaaad in so many ways - but I’m sure you already know this!

bpvalentine
>>107168580

Sasha, this is probably a waste of time to even think about. But what do you think of the Violent Femmes' "I Held Her In My Arms" in relation to The Shards, like if the adaptation lands? I think it's a little out of date by a couple years. But I was listening to it and the counterpoint mood of the song and The Shards.... I'm not sure it would work. Do you know the song or band? I remember on Boardwalk Empire how excited I was when they used a Brian Jonestown Massacre song for its beginning. It'd be great if The Shards pulled a similar move. Plus, the lyrics for me sort of work for The Shards in a very surface way. This isn't Fast Times At Ridgemont High, but the comparisons will be inevitable. And I like if the song disabuses nobody of the notion, haha. Punking the audience always earns loyalty, right? I'm kidding. EDIT.. I expect the show would have faux Bret drive to the high school at night like early in the novel. The vandalized mascot. That whole sequence SCREAMS for Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk." If only I were a director.

Rory Kiberd

How could you think this season of succession is threading water? Genuinely baffled by this opinion. Maybe could be said about 3, but this one is bravura.

Audrey Rouget

I wonder if Will Arbery would be a good guest for the show? He’s a playwright and one of the Succession writers this and last season.

bpvalentine
>>107300120

No! There IS another. (Yoda!). What about fucking Roger Avery??? He directed Rules of Attraction. Bret digs that one. I feel so dumb not thinking of him immediately.

Dustin

Re The Shards. Does anyone know the director who wanted the exorbitant paycheck was? The director of Euphoria?

Dustin
>>107310116

Tarantino has written more than one series and has already announced one that’s a go. He’s not in need of material.

Dustin

Bret said the director would be perfect. Tarantino doesn’t make movies / tv about college kids. Don’t see how he’s ‘perfect’ for this.

sasha
>>107471458

He liked The Shards & tonally it would be a good fit given how subdued and “vibey” Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was

Dustin
>>107471458

I do agree Quentin can do anything. But it’s just not him Bret was referring to. He’s maybe the biggest director in the world to land + I see him writing his own material from here on out and I’m guessing this is going to someone in tune with young characters like a Sam Levinson.

Keith V Whalen
>>107144189

Genius! You have a memory like a goddamn trap door. Kudos for remembering he mentioned. That. I think you cracked this.

Keith V Whalen

Dammit, as a longtime listener, I'll throw my name into the ring as a creature designer. If anyone from Bret's team sees this, I've been a professional concept artist for over 10 years, specializing in monster and creature designs. Here is my portfolio... https://keithwhalenart.com/illustration .

Timo

Catching up on my podcasts. Days before this episode I was at the literal cave in Bulgaria where the mythical tale of Orpheus & Eurydice occurred. It's called Devil's Throat due to a series of underground rivers & waterfalls deep below the caves. It's incredible and the main cavern where Orpheus entered the gate of Hades is named Roaring Hall due to the sound of the water currents.

Sodaheiress

Great episode. 💯 agree with Bret and Adam’s views.