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SRS #152 [Video] with Lee Strobel (Patreon)

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Happy Holidays, everyone! I hope you all have a Merry Christmas. We want to thank each and every one of you for showing up and supporting the show. It has been an incredible year, and we have so much more in store for 2025!

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Sniper Bait

Happy Holidays Shawn and everyone else

KIM TURNER

Merry Christmas, Shawn and team. Best decision of 2024 was joining your Patreon. Thank you for all you do and have a wonderful holiday season for all in the SRS community.

Tracy Emms

Merry Christmas and Happy new year!

Benjamen King

I’m so excited for this, I’ve read Case for a Creator by Lee and was amazed. My eyes lit up when I saw him on your show!

Pedro Saucedo

lol I have that Action Bible too!!!

Stephen Casey

Looking forward to this! Continuing to keep you, your family, and your vocation covered in prayer, Shawn. Many blessings to you and this entire patreon group!

VADURK

I have one got shot in my face by a kid who was possessed said God told him to do it had our of body met mine she was called ma white face Nathan mikeal fuller look up my story look that name shots man in face Vermont

harolyn vaughan

Shawn, while watching one of your podcasts, the Lord spoke ( not literally) to my heart to pray for you. I could sense you were struggling. I prayed he would send a solid Biblical teacher of His Truth to help you. LEE strobel came to mind. I even suggested him to you. It was just a simple little prayer a couple of times. I cried when you announced you were having him. It was a day that I was struggling with a family hardship that I have prayed about for about 15 years. That answered prayer for you confirmed my need to trust and have faith even when we think he is not listening and doesn't care. He affirmed to me His expansive love for us. My prayer has not been answered for my family situation. In fact, it has gotten worse in the last two weeks. I can honestly tell you that there is no way I could bear this without Him working in me and in the situation. There have been some depressing days. Yet, bc of Him my despair is never without Hope. There is always Hope. No matter what, there is always hope for today. God gave me this promise, 15 years ago: Gen. 50: 19-21.Joseph replied.." Don't be afraid of me." AM I God, that I can punish you? He brought me to this position so I could save the lives of many people. NO, Don't be afraid. I will continue to take care of you and your children. " So he reassured them by speaking kindly to them." My life application Bible has this note: ' the experiences in Joseph's life taught him that God brings good from evil for those who trust him. Do you trust God enough to wait patiently for Him to bring good out of bad situations? You can trust Him because, as joeseph learned, God can overrule people's intentions to bring about His intended results. ! In closing, I want to remind you that you are being used by God to bring good out of situations intended for evil. Thank you for your commitment to those struggling with mental health issues. Merry Christmas to you and your family! God bless you and make His face shine upon you!

Jason

🤣I was 30 minutes into the audio wishing the video was out. Perfect timing. Merry Christmas,

harolyn vaughan

One more thing, I suggest reading, tortured for Christ, by Richard wurmbrand, founder of the voice of the Martyrs. It is a short book. Honestly, it kinda made me ashamed of my lack of faith. This man had a tenacious faith and courage in a dire situation.

Erika Selene

Merry Christmas 🙏 ❤️ to all!!!

Mark Skorich

💪🏻❤️🙏🏻🇺🇸

Danielle Dray

Merry Merry Christmas Shawn and family and team!! You guys do a remarkable job all year and you all deserve the best Christmas ever! Love you guys!!!

Barb Dwyer

🙏Merry Christmas 🎁 to you and your family.

Dan Kase

Eh, I grew up in a religious household, but admittedly I'm an atheist. I don't mock religious people, but I believe if it makes you happy believe it, unfortunately for me, religion gives me anxiety.

Keaton Cole

Some other names I’d love to see on your show: Sean McDowell (of which you know), Frank Turek, J Warner Wallace, Stephen Meyer, Greg Koukl, & THE William Lane Craig. WLC would be the GOAT.

Seth H

Tharseite.

David Bell

I'm still sayo trying that you need to have Joel Richardson on! Lol

KSG Sherley

Catholic Bible is same almost word for word with the New American Standard Bible. Catholic Bible contains the 8 books of the Apocrapha

TJ

Great show! Thanks Shawn. God bless you and your family. Merry Christmas all!

LA

Great choice of guest for the season, loved the preview show Shawn. I enjoy your curiosity, it’s refreshing and it reminds me of what we as new Christians ponder, those questions you asked, were all my own questions when I first became a Christian. Lee is such a great person to answer those questions, heck he too was there once. Christ obviously has a plan for you, like He has for a lot of us, have keep inquiring that’s how we grow. Blessings

KSG Sherley

Even better 2x. Loved those Episode

Nick

I am 28 now. At 25 I had a spinal cord injury and was told I’d never walk again. I walk today carrying my 3 year old daughter who at the time was 2 months old. I came home on Christmas Eve after 50 days in the hospital. A preacher was here to anoint me and pray over me the night I got home. Listening to the miracle segment is so amazing. He worked a miracle for me personally. While in rehab for my injury I was gifted a daily devotional. I was having a bad day and was listening to open the eyes to my heart lord. The scripture that day was Psalm 119 “Open my eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of your law”. I knew he was with me and today am walking because of him. Wanted to share my testimonial of how Jesus has helped me through a life changing even I still work through. Thanks for the show Shawn. God bless.

M-Cam7

Hey Shawn, i am so happy you put this episode out. Dont need listen to me but it is really about time to keep putting out interviews spreading the name of Jesus Christ. Not side topics involving the Bible like angels, exorcism, etc. but the case for Jesus Christ What a wonderful ministry you can have if you’d like. Perfect mediator (Priest), King, Prophet, perfect sacrifice, fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies, God become human to come down and heal us. The new Temple. This is Jesus. The word is alive and active sharper then a double edged sword piercining between heart and soul. This is Jesus. Love you Shawn. Best podcast ever.

M-Cam7

You gotta reach out to Tim Mackie of the Bible project. One of the smartest and convicting Bible Teachers. God is working through him and his ministry tremendously. He also has a doctorate or masters i forgot which in Hebrew, Aramaic and greek. The 3 languages the Bible was originally written in. Not like that matter tremendously but definitely can bring the Word to life in a new way and that he does well. Love shawn. Keep fighting the good fight for the LORD

M-Cam7

Hebrews 12:1-4 1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. 4You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin

M-Cam7

Hebrews 4:12-16 12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. 14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Powerful.

MonkaDayle

This was AMAZING! Love my fellow Houstonian, Lee…thank you so much Shawn for all you bring to us. God is so good! Merry Christmas everyone, this one was perfectly timed. Love to all❤️

Carl Shriver

Great show with Lee. It helped me reaffirm my faith in Jesus and commit to live for Him. I pray for you, Shawn, that your faith with grow daily and reflect the love and life of Christ to others. God has given you a powerful platform. Use it to bring Glory to Him.

Bryan Baker

Amazing show and guest, thank you

Tyler Sawyer

Great show Shawn! Bring on Wes Huff for the new year. You won't be disappointed!

Marie Cronin

God definitely has good plans for you Shawn! Keep growing in your faith! Following Jesus leads to true Peace and Joy!

Marie Cronin

I pray to the Father in Jesus's Name

Khart327

You and your guests provide such important information that the world needs to hear and there is nothing more important than what you discussed in this interview. 🙏 God bless you Shawn and everyone, Merry Christmas 🌟

Ken D.

Great interview Shawn. I'm glad you went there with Lee. I pray it reaches ears that needed to hear the Words from God in just this way such that they hear the Holy Spirit knocking on their heart. Semper Fidelis, my Brother!

JOHN

Love this interview. I still go back and watch the Penny interview.

David

My new Fav episode! Knocked it out brother..

David Bell

Shawn I see the answers you're looking for. The answer for why Jesus Christ died for our sins. Is because of a simple reason. The payment of sin is death, that's why they did animal sacrifices to atone for sin. God commanded this from the first sin as a reminder of what they did to God by betraying him. Adam and eve that is.. but God Prophesied that he would send himself (Isaiah 9:6) and that he would bare the sins of all and rise again (Isaiah 53) , and that this "Son of Man" would be the King who comes on the clouds to rule over the earth (Daniel 7). But Jesus had to come to die for our sins, because God said so!! He said it, and it must happened! It's hard for us to understand these things because we think in humanly terms, not the cosmic, eternal understanding of the one true God, Yahweh!

Robert Diggins

Some thoughts: • You can't prove a negative, so his initial quest was logically flawed, which is strange for a lawyer/journalist, who should know that. • Was Rome sophisticated? • How does the guests reframing of some questions, instead of direct answers, corelate to what we're so frustrated by in the media today? • Again, was Rome sophisticated? • I studied the archaeology of Northern Europe in the early 90s. There is physical evidence that shows the high probability that Christianity was spread through the Royalty. That is the graves of Royalty we're consistently buried with Christian symbols significantly earlier than the graves of Commoners. • Was Rome sophisticated? • Do we currently compare our empire to Rome? • Don't we say, "The victor writes the history?" Why would they want to? • Every honest Christian I've talked to has said that it requires some irrational thought. • Rome was sophisticated. • I went to a Congregational church as a kid and I appreciate the community/social aspects. • I chose not to indoctrinate my children with pro/con arguments about God. I think their prefrontal cortex should be developed, if they want to examine irrational belief systems. • I think that Western Culture is very much influenced by Christianity, which has evolved over the centuries. • I think Western Culture is very much influenced by the Age of Enlightenment and we can see that, as well as Christianity in the Founders. Thomas Paine's book, 'The Age of Reason', was popular amongst the people. • I am thankful for the influence of Christianity, in the ways that it valued the basic golden rule, was a root for legal arguments such as Blackstone's Formulation, which said it's better to let 100 guilty men go free, than to imprison 1 innocent. (We're screwing that one up in both directions nowadays, with sentencing guidelines that don't allow prosecution for very real crimes and put a minimum sentence on some crimes and don't allow for individual circumstances. • I 💯 support the freedom of religion and thought, and I'm against the for profit private prison industry, with contracts with minimum occupancy clauses. We must remove perverse incentives and conflicts of interest from the Justice System and get rid of all the antiquated laws still on the books. I remember the teacher playing Paul Harvey on the radio while we were working and he did an episode about these laws, back in the mid-80s. Stuff like "You can't put underwear on the clothesline in some town or state. There are federal ones too. But that should be a new focus - maybe a congressional committee with input from the other branches, I don't know. • Merry Christmas 🎄 • Happy New Year! • Happy New Administration!

LT

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Jimmy Wusinich

Excellent episode. Great questions Shawn.

Mike G

Perhaps you guys can consider having John Lovell back on the show and ask him all the same questions you asked in this interview and the interview you did with the priest you had on. Just a thought. Thanks guys, have a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, God Bless you all!

Kevin Roberts

I really appreciate you Shawn and the team. Merry Christmas to y’all!

Danielle Bethune

Sometimes I forget I have these perks! So stoked!

Cole

Hey Shawn, I just got to a moment when you were asking about the law. I recommend reading the first five books of the Old Testament, referred to as the Torah, translated to the Law of God. Additionally, look to the teachings of Jesus. One of His titles is the Word of God (see John 1:1 and Rev 19:13) I would be happy to point you toward more resources if you are interested.

Joan Wisnowski

Hi, Shawn. I wanted to recommend Precept Ministries for Bible studies. precept.org Since you grew up in the Catholic Church, as did I, I think you would get a lot out of studying "Romans." They say "Romans" is the constitution of our faith. "John" would also be a good study. Since Covid began, Precept has had online Bible studies via Zoom. You might find something online that fits your busy schedule. There are also in-person study groups. I think you will find their website user friendly. The home office is in Chattanooga, TN. The Precept Upon Precept studies are the most intensive. They say it usually takes one hour a day for 5 days out of the week to do the homework. It takes me longer. The In and Out version requires less time. Some of the leaders record the Zoom discussions, so if you miss a class, you can watch the recording. I'm studying "Revelation" now with Canadians. I just finished studying "Mark" with a group. The leader is from Tennessee. Someone was from Arizona. I'm in Washington State. I've heard you say you are in a Bible study, but I encourage you to check out precept.org. I wish there were more men studying. Wow! Having former military and CIA people would be great! By the way, the first lesson of most of the studies is available on their website so you can see what it will be like. It's also helpful if your workbook isn't going to arrive in time for the first class. The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make His face to shine upon you and give you peace.

Jennifer White

If helpful, I’ve been taught that the reason Jesus had to be the perfect sacrifice is because God is SO holy that he can’t have the unclean in His presence, and because He is Just by His character, which He cannot violate, there has to be atonement for our sin in the form of a perfect sacrifice so that we can be cleansed and allowed into His presence. We cannot atone for our sin against a perfect God except by dying, and because He loves us so, so much, He provided the way to Life that we forfeit and cannot provide for ourselves. That’s why Jesus is THE WAY. I’m so sorry there are those who make you feel less than for these questions. They are flawed, just like the rest of us. I’ll pray for them and for you. God bless you and your family, and Merry Christmas!

Tyler Studt - TRIBE 4 Children

I 100% agree with Pastor Strobel! I got very into the translations recently. For 2 reasons. I enjoy looking at multiple sources(due to background) and it's very helpful to get different perspectives. I have hard copies. But here is some information people can access now and this is what I use. Software - Logos or E-Sword Bible Software(Good for Scholars & Pastors). What I recommend for people who just want the Bible with a few translations to view, "Life Bible" by Tectara(they are making improvements like most companies). When I'm reading, I use 6+ views. I enjoy the LSB(Legacy Standard Bible) Translations(NASB95 Updated), KJV, TLB, RSV. With 4 study bibles & 2 commentaries. Some people prefer simple and use YouVersion. I use LSB or FNVNT(First Nations Version of NT). The FNVNT is a beautiful translation for a Story in Indigenous view. Pastor Terry Wildman is a beautiful representative to organize this. He's also Ojibwe as well, which i thought was beautiful. I also use this as one of my main ways to study. Is using the Eth-Cepher. This has 87 Books. Most translations have 66. Unless if you're Catholic. Which is 73 books. I enjoy Dr. P's(Dr. Pidgeons) take on the translation of words and different books. I found this from a friend who is quite a bit older who helped find the Incense in Qumran Caves with Vendyl Jones. I'll send SRS Team Dr. P's info. Be good to see his view! HalleluYah! Hard copies, get old books and verify they are legit translations. Like the 1611 KJV and before. I enjoy Palleo-Hebrew & Picto translations & different manuscripts. Just remember, we are all Neighbors(Relatives)! We must not fight each other's with swords. Not halfway through and I love this Episode! HalleluYah Yahuah, Pastor Strobel is a man of your word!! Glad you found Jesus(Yahusha) and continue to lead others! Definitely can't wait for the new book!

Griff

I’m not sure if Shawn sees these comments, but I have also dealt with those doubts about my own faith. In other words, am I a true Christian? God gives us a detailed way to answer that question for ourselves in Scripture, however. The short book of 1 John provides 7 characteristics that are true of Christians. ALL true Christians will see ALL 7 of these attributes in their life. This is helpful to: 1) combat doubt for those with faith & 2) reveal one’s lack of faith. The latter can be a terrifying realization, but there is good news: all we have to do is respond with trust in Jesus, and those 7 elements WILL appear in our lives

John Charleson

Lee Strobel, what an interesting guest and a welcome surprise. Now, regarding one irritating detail. At 14:35 Strobel unfortunately states that "Demons cannot possess a Christian"---he is wrong. Possession is of the body and known great Saints have been, and today probably are, possessed. This kind of possession is allowed so the Saint can gain glory for winning the spiritual conflict.

JCGSovereign

I want to express my gratitude to you and Lee for this wonderful interview. You were correct; I truly enjoyed it! Merry Christmas! 10 "For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it. (Isaiah 55:10-11, NASB)

Maureen M

At 2:50:00 you ask Lee about why God does not reveal Himself to us when we are calling out to Him. Read the book of Job. It is sometimes our ability to endure the trials of faith alone and losing a great deal. I have often said it is in God’s time He will respond to our prayers and pleading. Job is the example of a human insisting God reveal Himself to us at a particular time. Job does this… This for me is the basis of faith tested in the most difficult situations. I hope this helps. Ive gone through a complete 18 months of transformation; of being in control to giving up control. It ain’t easy. It’s actually horrific and painful. And yet having come out the back end of this journey, it has brought me closer to Him. Sending love and prayers. Seriously read the book of Job. 🙏🙏🙏

Jorjan

Shawn, I am so thankful you did this interview with Lee Strobel. I am equally thankful you kept returning to your questions about law, for I, too, have questions about such. • For instance, where Strobel began speaking about new scientific discoveries as evidence that God exists at 02:27. There are passages in the Bible that point to different realms. Since we know God made different realms, perhaps the laws He placed within/upon the realms differ from the laws He placed here on earth? After all, modern science is currently realizing that here on earth the traditional laws of physics differ from laws that are being discovered within quantum physics. • If the above is accurate, how does that relate to the spiritual warfare we are seeing? • Particularly because of discoveries within human physiology and also quantum physics, what if there is an actual current of energy (or something of the sort) generated by humans’ demonstrating faith? Perhaps if faith is placed on God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, then the person is connected to Them with a Blessed energy; conversely, if faith is attached to something other than Them, then there is a connection, but the Blessing cannot be present, because They are not part of the connection. • Where you asked about praying as if it has already occurred, at 03:19; please consider having someone on the show that has a high level of belief in that. Jesus spoke of such. Unfortunately, Charles Capps is no longer alive; he taught about it. If any of this resonates with you, perhaps you can ask your relevant guests who know about such. Thank you for all the shows you are doing about the spiritual realm; the world needs the information you are providing. Bless you and your efforts.

Robert Diggins

Didn't Jesus turn the tables of the money changers? That wasn't gentle, polite judgement💥

Robert Diggins

They recently got the data/imaging from the new James Webb telescope and have been 🤯 bc it broke the Big Bang Cosmology narrative (introduced by a Catholic Bishop/Physicist BTW), and are now writing things like, ”Well, maybe the universe is 3x older than we thought. 🙄 That model is an old jalopy held together with the duct tape of math variables, never observed, but given names like "dark matter", which they've already spent generations of scientists and funding searching for and not finding. The paradigm is shifting to plasma cosmology. You know, he mentioned that electromagnetism is 10³⁸ times more powerful than Gravity... So WHY would anyone suggest it's Gravity orchestrating the cosmos? Seriously, they are constantly making sh*t up and all the physics awards are going to mathematicians. Capture is hard to break, but it's happening. Look up Hannes Alfven, Anthony Peratt, and Halton Arp. See new tech breaking through, like the SAFIRE Project or the Thunderstorm Generator. Science has to be falsifiable. Please don't bring it to "prove" religion. We don't want "The Science" either. Bad things happen with authoritarian science. "Consensus" is not part of the scientific method either. I saw that section as the guest still being a lawyer/journalist. Faith is irrational, so have it and benefit from it. But, again, Science is falsifiable and you can't prove a negative. Sorry, I'm taking this great interview in sections, and I do appreciate it, but I may have repeated a point I already made. Going for the last part, about the books now. I should also mention that the part where you can take your time to search for a connect with Jesus, but he might come back at any moment and if you haven't bought this shiny new vehicle, I mean received his gift, YOU. ARE. EFFED! ... No pressure. That's the close! (I'm seeing sales, marketing, journalism, and lawyering with things like science, in addition to the righteous testimony.) This is meant to be constructive. 😊 Thanks for your consideration.

Michelle Allen

Merry Christmas to you, your Family, your podcast team, and anyone reading this. 🎄🎅🙏✨️ Remember to be a blessing for someone this season. ✨️🙏🤘

Lydia

Hey there SRS, another wonderful interview. I love your genuine search surrounding your faith. It is biblical that we are to wrestle with our faith. The nature of love is that He preserved our choice to choose Him, freely (autonomy!). He laid down his life voluntarily (I'm not 😢 😭). That's an example for us. It's also something you and many of your comerades are very intimately familiar with,Shawn. The God of the Old Testament required many sacrifices for our sin. God voluntarily chose His son, Jesus, to fulfill all of the OT requirements. All we have to do is choose Him. How do we even get to choose to believe, or not? By Christ's atonement of our sin. This is how Christianity differs from many religions; it is a choice to enter into a relationship with the Creator of the universe. He does not force us or coerce us, because that is the antithesis of who He is. He invites us. It's a forever open door ! How amazing is that? Love is not jealous, rude, proud. It does not envy or boast. Love rejoices with the truth. Jesus is the embodiment of love towards His people, so that we can choose to draw near to the source of our Creator. Shalom, and blessings to you , your family, and all on Patreon.

Anna Morrison

Merry Christmas to everyone! So grateful for you Shawn!

Lydia

Regarding Hugh Hefner- I hope he seriously considers everything Lee provided to him. It's amazing how many men, even those who proclaim they are Christian, fold when it comes to sexualizing women, especially when they've built an empire from this type of idolatry. The objectification of God's daughters (and, yes, His sons, but moreso in Western culture it's women) is a definite foothold and noose around the hearts of so many, preventing them from living in the full reality of who God made them to be.

Jerry Parker

I've known a few atheists very intelligent, think they are very informed, but not as smart as they think they are

Jerry Parker

I can say this during Desert Storm esp, when the ground war started, everyone I knew was praying to the Almighty

Jerry Parker

If u read the Bible the crucifixion how can u not believe.

David Williamson

Merry Christmas to all! And may the new year bring health and happiness to everyone

Daniel Young

Merry Christmas everyone! So grateful for what I learn from Shaun, for Vigilance Elite, and for being part of this awesome community. God bless you all and this great nation of ours!

Chase

That missionary in Cairo story 🤯🙏 amazing. Difference from all other religions: DONE and gift to freely receive.

Anthony

Thank you Shawn. Truly ✝️🙏🏽

Joshua Cabrera

Shawn…it’s because he’s righteous. We can’t comprehend what it truly means to right…100%. You have to get this. That’s why Jesus who was perfect, would be the only one who could make it right for us to be able to access God.

Bill

Shawn, thank you for interviewing Lee Strobel. I pray that it will touch and transform many lives. I pray for you and your family as you continue your faith journey as Christ followers to know Him and to make Him known. God bless you, and Merry Christmas. Bill

Pat

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Shane Chandler

Perfect Timing & Accuracy! Thank You Shawn for bravely sharing your spiritual journey, having Lee on your show, and for proclaiming Jesus Christ to the world!

Lydia

For an amazing conversation with another theologian and Christian, please interview Greg Boyd. He is a scholar, pastor, believer.

Ben S.

Thanks so much

Scout36g

Shawn thank you for all your doing. This was in my opinion the most important interview you have done so far. Sharing your beliefs and asking the hard questions of faith. Thank you and God bless

Colleen Guthrie

God is clearly working in you Shawn. I tell as many people as I can about you and your podcast.

Blake McClimon

Great episode! Thanks Shawn! Merry Christmas!

Mark Skorich

💪🏻❤️🙏🏻🇺🇸

Mary N.

Merry Christmas to all the Ryans!

Michelle Allen

I've truly been struggling with my belief in God. But I will give this a chance. Actually I do believe in God but I don't believe he believes in me.

Gary W

Merry Christmas 🎄 Shawn to you and your family! Merry Christmas 🎄 to all the others friends on Patreon! 🎄

Jen RN

Merry Christmas Shawn and the entire SRS family. I am so grateful for this community and for this episode. Lee Strobel’s story is AMAZING! The movie “The Case for Christ” is absolutely fantastic. If you are searching and wondering, please watch that movie. A great choice for Christmas as we celebrate the Savior’s birth 🙏🙏

Chris Walter

Merry Christmas Shawn and family and everyone on patreon!

dosnits58

Excellent discussion. What a great message.

Full Send Filosophy

I listened to this podcast before Christmas using my patreon $5.99 I subbed specifically for this podcast on Christmas Eve night I was at a family gathering a turned a hardcore atheist construction tatted up guy into a Christian thanks to the knowledge from this podcast glory in the highest in Jesus name!

Joan Wisnowski

I love your humility, Shawn. Your questions have helped a lot of Christians, both new and old. Thank you.

Bryan Kelly

Wow, what a great interview at the perfect time. Thanks SRS!

Teena

Shawn a lot of your questions are answered by “The Priesthood “ NOT priests but “the Priesthood power “. Melchizedek was a priest of the most high God, Gen. 14:18. Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek, Ps. 110:4 (Heb. 5:6; 7:17, 21). Christ hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father, Rev. 1:6 (Rev. 5:10; 20:6). Peter received the keys of the kingdom, Matt. 16:19. What Are Priesthood Keys? The keys of the priesthood are the rights of presidency, or the power God gives to man to govern and direct the kingdom of God on the earth (see Matthew 16:15–19). Priesthood keys are necessary to direct the preaching of the gospel and the administration of the ordinances of salvation and exaltation. Angels There are two kinds of beings in heaven who are called angels: those who are spirits and those who have bodies of flesh and bone. Angels who are spirits have not yet obtained a body of flesh and bone, or they are spirits who have once had a mortal body and are awaiting resurrection. Angels who have bodies of flesh and bone have either been resurrected from the dead or translated. There are many references in scripture to the work of angels. Sometimes angels speak with a voice of thunder as they deliver God’s messages (Mosiah 27:11–16). Righteous mortal men may also be called angels (JST, Gen. 19:15 [Appendix]). Some angels serve around the throne of God in heaven (Alma 36:22). The scriptures also speak of the devil’s angels. These are those spirits who followed Lucifer and were thrust out of God’s presence in the premortal life and cast down to the earth (Rev. 12:1–9; 2 Ne. 9:9, 16; D&C 29:36–37). Jacob saw angels of God ascending and descending, Gen. 28:12. Angels of God met Jacob, Gen. 32:1–2. Gideon saw an angel of the Lord face to face, Judg. 6:22. An angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, 2 Sam. 24:16. An angel touched Elijah and said to him, Arise and eat, 1 Kgs. 19:5–7. Daniel saw the angel Gabriel in a vision, Dan. 8:15–16. The angel Michael helped Daniel, Dan. 10:13. The angel Gabriel was sent from God, Luke 1:19, 26–27. The devil’s angels will be reserved in chains unto the judgment, Jude 1:6 (2 Pet. 2:4).

Reggie Wagner

You asked Mr. Strobel this question, among others: Why did Jesus have to die? In other words, why did God choose the death of His Son to cleanse the world of sin? Lee gave you a fairly good answer, extemporaneously. Here's the Scripture: First of all, read Matthew 6:17-18. Jesus tells the people the He has come to fulfill the Law of Moses in total. Next, read Exodus 12. It's the story of Passover. (in Hebrew, Pesach) To save the children of God from the angel of death, a lamb without blemish had to be sacrificed, and the lamb's blood had to be painted on the doorways of their homes. So, therefore, Jesus died on the Cross, and then was resurrected to save us from death and the grave. Then, read Leviticus 16, commanding the observance of the Day of Atonement. (In Hebrew, Yom Kippur) Once again, the sins of the people were placed on the head of a lamb, which then had to be sacrificed so that his blood would atone for their sins. (But only for one year)

Reggie Wagner

So, God had to select a Lamb with no hint of fault or blemish, so that ONE sacrifice could perfect this Atonement for all people for all time. And this Lamb had to die and then rise again, to save us from death and eternity without Him. Jesus' Death was a fulfillment of the Law, as He told us long ago, and tells us yet today,

Holybiker

Best show ever!!

Reggie Wagner

Oh...in the Law of Pesach, before the lamb was killed, the family in each home had to bring the lamb into their home, and become close to the lamb. Ring any bells?

Dave

John 1:1-3. In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.     He was with God in the beginning. All things came to be through him,and without him nothing made had being.

Kandi Ramsey

This episode was amazing! Thank you for sharing this with us! I pray that this touches anyone who needs to hear it.

weighthead84

Would you allow me the pleasure of building you a cross for outside the new studio? I emailed your team months ago with some ideas. They did respond, but it probably fell flat.

Denise Mercer

I discovered Lee back in 1998 when my husband and I were getting into the Bible and reading everything we could find to explain Jesus. I grew up in an orphanage and was baptized by Billy Graham but as an adult I turned away from God. My husband being a pilot and science minded believed there was a God but didn’t have a relationship with him. We both surrendered our lives to Christ and Lee was a big part of that decision. This was the best episode. I pray on this Christmas that someone watching will make that same decision that we made. I love your questions Shawn. I have to say that I am constantly reading scripture and I still have many of my own. I believe God intended it to be that way, so we always seek him. Thank you SRS. A good passage to study is James 2:14-26 Faith and Deeds.

patti busser

Thank you for allowing God use you to build his kingdom!

Nick Polizzi

My miracle: Was in a bad place after my engagement was called off after a 10 year relationship. I got to keep my dogs. Started watching after the episode about Benno. Got Patreon after the near death experience episode and the woman saw her dog in heaven. No doubt I wouldn’t be here without my dogs, not self inflicted, but negligence and stupidity. They’re called rescues because they rescue us. In my opinion, profound proof of God is, look at something or someone you love and ask “How is this relationship even possible?” Every puzzle piece had to fit for you to meet your wife and have a baby. In my case, someone 10,000 years ago gave a wolf some food. 10,000 years I thank discovering this podcast and that person for saving my life. That improbability is proof for me.

Joe Aston

Lees question about why Jesus came to earth : hope this elaboration helps those understand who are confused, and Also spark some good conversation surrounding Jesus ! The realization that Jesus needed to come and die for OUR sins shows just how much God loves us, and how much God despises sin. Genesis 3 (the fall) depicts Gods promise that humans disobedience and distrust would result in death (eating of the tree). Both physical and spiritual. Physical death and spiritual separation from God. Right after Adam and Eve sinned God issues punishment (our sins always have reprocusions) and then fashions animal skins for them to shield their nakedness. There is so much here to unpack but one cool thing to look at is , how do you get animal skins ? Death of an animal. Substitute for death. Animal sacrifice was a substitute for death until the true lamb could atone for it all (hebrews 10) Because God loves us so much He did not want us to spend eternity separate from Him. So God did the most loving thing anyone could do. He took our place. He sent His son Jesus (who is God John 1, Colossians 1) to leave the glories of heaven and come to earth to live a perfect sinless life and pay the ultimate price, to take the weight of sin upon Himself. Just as someone can pay your fine in court and you can be let free , Jesus did that for us on a massively larger scale. He then conquered death by rising on the 3rd day, and offering the same to anyone who believes in Him (belief is not intellectual head knowledge but a transformation of the heart, a dying to self and new life in Christ , John 3) there is now no condemnation for anyone who is IN CHRIST , Jesus came not to condemn but to deal with sin, for all those who believes (John 3:17-18) And one day will come again to bring us salvation. Jesus then stands before the Father on our behalf , takes His seat next to Him an awaits the time when He can come back again to bring salvation. (hebrews 2/9) Jesus departed earth but sent us the Holy Spirit to indwell in us and guide us. To know the will of God and carry out His work. To put it plainly. Jesus came to fulfill Gods redemptive story for mankind. God started in relationship in the garden walking with us, we messed it up, God took the penalty, so that one day we can be back in the garden in relationship with Him (revelation 21) this is a free gift that nobody can earn. Grace is something that we don’t deserve yet God freely gives to all who profess with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord and He’s been raised from the dead (Roman’s 10;9) 10 years ago God saved me. He did it. Not me. I was dead, He brought me life, and not just life but abundant life (John 10:10) Jesus is my everything. I pray this conversation and podcast brings a multitude to repentance and realization that God loves them and has an incredible life for them! Love yall , love the podcast , God is so good. hope this wasn’t too lengthy!

Brent Kercher

Thank You Shawn, best podcast yet!!!

A. Certain Woman

Thank you for this video! I'm watching it twice!

Angela Paterniti

This is such a great interview! Shawn asks the best questions! Love how his natural curiosity make him such a great interviewer! He knows when to sit back and listen!

KLM

I haven’t watched yet but I know this will be a great interview! Lee is an amazing person and his book the case for Christ is a must read! He went out to try and disprove the messiah and ended up gathering undeniable PROOF Jesus is who he said he is and in turn changed his life and he went from being an atheist to a Christian!

Jake

Watched it the day it came out that same day my brother in law we found out has a tumor in his brain and most likely won’t live long but through god and Jesus I pray and hope it turns out well

Eric Alger

One of the most remarkable truths of Scripture is that this life is not all there is. God has written eternity on our hearts, and deep down, we all know it. Yet so often, we become consumed with the cares of this world—our jobs, our possessions, our achievements—things that, in the end, will fade away like mist. The Bible reminds us, again and again, to live with eternity in mind, to focus on what lasts forever. Jesus Himself said: “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.” (Matthew 6:19-20) This is not a suggestion; it’s a call to action. To live with an eternal perspective is to recognize that everything we do in this life matters in the light of eternity. Our choices, our priorities, and how we treat others—these are the things that will echo forever. So, my friend, the question is: Are you living for what lasts? The Bible tells us that life is like a vapor—it appears for a little while and then vanishes (James 4:14). But it also tells us that eternity is real and unending. Every person will spend eternity somewhere—either in the presence of God or separated from Him. This truth should shape how we live. The apostle Paul put it this way: “We do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18) When we focus on eternity, our perspective shifts. We begin to see our possessions, our time, and even our trials in the light of God’s greater plan.

Eric Alger

The Action Bible and comics are how I was able to get my son to read the Bible. @ShawnRyan you should check out the Adventum series too! They are my favorite! https://theadventum.com/

Aleyda Alvarenga

That was John in Revelation who fell at the feet of an Angel and began to worship before the Angel corrected him and told him not to do that.

Aleyda Alvarenga

This was an EXCELLENT interview. Merry Christmas!

Ken W

One of the best interviews ever and what an amazing Christmas gift! God Bless you two always and forever! Can’t wait to hear a follow up interview (hint hint)! Lol

KLM

I wish the non believers in my life could watch this!

KLM

Christ presented himself to over 400 people after his resurrection before he assessed!

KLM

The disciples didn’t just die but were TORTURED BEFORE THEIR DEATH but still claimed Jesus is the messiah!

KLM

The reason God had to let Jesus die is because he is a just God and he does not lie. He has always had atonement and if he were to change his mind he would be breaking his promises of justice for sin. There has to be justice for sin.

KLM

All sins are not the same! Some are called abominations so they are not the same. But all but blasphemy are forgivable

KLM

Jesus said about children “such is the kingdom of heaven” so I don’t Believe children go anywhere but heaven if they die before the age of accountability.

KLM

The Bible says we will have crowns in heaven. Maybe we will have different kinds of crowns according to our lives here on earth.

KLM

Not appropriate to pray to saints and to Mary as well. Even Jesus called Mary “woman” and you don’t need any person to come in between you and God except Jesus. No need to confess to priests either. They don’t forgive sins! Only God/Jesus can forgive sins.

josh

Sounds like the book muscle and a shovel

Elias Garcia

That “once saved always saved” is not biblical. The epistles are written to believers and it’s clear that not all will make it to the kingdoms. Salvation is so much more than just saying a prayer and claiming a statement

Daniel Lahl

Hi Shawn, during your interview with Lee Strobel, you asked him multiple times WHY Jesus’ death was God’s Plan at all. As you intimated, couldn’t God the Father have just decided to forgive people’s sins based on his mercy? I admire Lee Strobel and think he is a wonderful advocate for the Gospel, yet I think he missed the opportunity to answer the question from the standpoint of God’s immutable character. Let me humbly explain... God’s character shows us in scripture that He is perfectly: knowledgeable, seeing, powerful, eternal, holy, wise, merciful, graceful, truthful, loving, and just. He is all these things together, and these attributes are not a collection, but rather describe the WHOLE character of God – and they are to be taken together. God’s justice exists with his mercy and love and holiness (and all His other attributes). So when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden, God’s mercy was shown to them, in that he did not kill them for their sin of disobedience, but rather loved them and only banished them from the Garden and His presence. But God’s justice was also served – He clothed them in animal fur, his first act of sacrifice (justice) for their sin. (Genesis 3). In God’s covenant with Abraham, there was God’s truth and mercy displayed, in that God promised childless Abraham a line of descendants as many as the stars in the sky. But also in this covenant there was justice required for Abraham’s doubt – the sacrifice of a heifer, a goat, a ram, a dove and a pigeon. (Genesis 15) God provided all the Hebrew people with an amazing act of love, grace and mercy – freedom from slavery in Egypt, when he promised to Passover the houses with lamb’s blood on the top and side of the doorframes. The sacrifice of lamb’s blood was the justice required and an active act of faith by each Hebrew family to recognize the one true God, through His power and mercy could do the impossible to rescue them from slavery. (Exodus 12) God then provided the Hebrews a yearly mercy of forgiveness of sins for all the people, having the high priest present sin offerings of bulls and goats for the people on the Day of Atonement, and sprinkling the blood of these animals on the designated holy places, and literally placing the sins of the Israelite people on the sacrificial goats. Leviticus 17:30 tell us “… this day atonement will be made for you to cleanse you. Then, before the LORD you will be clean from all your sins.” This was repeated year after year on the Day of Atonement – forgiveness of sins (mercy) via a blood sacrifice of animals (justice). This is the model – God’s character has to be taken together as a whole, and for God’s mercy, grace and love to be poured out, there needs to be a recognition and demonstration of God’s justice and truth as well. All sin is infinitely repugnant to God, so He set up a way for His mercy and love to operate via a corresponding sacrifice of blood. What I’ve written above are but a few examples of God’s perfect character attributes working together in the OId Testament. Now to Jesus. He was the fulfillment of God’s plan – the ultimate, perfect, and one time sacrifice to take away the sins of the world to fulfill God’s plan of mercy, love and justice for all people. The prophets in the Old Testament even look forward to the Savior who would rescue God’s people. (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Michah, etc). John the Baptist, upon seeing Jesus called him “the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). Jesus even predicted His death and resurrection 3 times in the book of Mark, and Jesus summed up His mission and God’s plan in Mark 10:45 “… the Son of Man (Jesus) did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many”. Jesus’ death on the cross as an act of God’s perfect justice for dealing with humanity’s sin actually becomes God’s greatest gift of love, mercy, and grace to us as human beings. God’s character, taken as a whole is fulfilled in Jesus’ death and resurrection. Lee Strobel is right that we need to believe and receive this gift of grace, sourced in God’s character (John 1:12). I hope this helps you in your faith walk Shawn, I am rooting for the deepening of your faith, as I’m sure many, many others are as well!!!

Sara Wheeler

Merry Christmas Shawn! This episode was a great present to us! Grateful for your curiosity & courage. 🎄❤️💚

Gary W

WOW I just finished the episode! Started Christmas Day and just slowed down from family and sharing to focus on the episode. What a great episode and a blessing to watch! Living in Houston I hope my path crosses with Lee one day. One of the best interviews I have watched in a long time around God and Jesus. Shawn never let your faith and the way you practice it be swayed by negative people. We have plenty of worldly problems to be negative about that we can all agree upon but attacking your practice of faith is weak and wrong. God bless you and your family! PS I also hope one day our paths cross also…

Blake

Hey Shawn - I apologize for my pointed comment to the Psychic video if it irked you. I don't want to be one of those that cause you stress when you're trying to do good. I am thankful the videos are finally not bombarding my feed on here though 😂. For some reason, her video kept auto playing when I would start my mornings driving in my truck and it drove me nuts. Finally went away though.

Terri

This was a great episode! I could listen to stories like these everyday and not get bored. God is good! A few things of note of Shawn ever reads them. 1. God has forgiven you for your past. The devil is the one who holds you back. Don’t let him. 2. Christians can be harsh to each other. Pray for them. My own mother is a Christian and I shake my head at how she responds to the world around her with judgement. We should not judge. 3. Open the Bible and read it. The Bible app has reading plans, I’m currently on day 230 of the Bible (basic instructions before leaving earth) in a year. The Bible is meant to be read. I pray for God to come through in the words that day and they do indeed lift off the page. I recently read “you never came to me to ask what I thought and I created all of this.” Wow. Keep up the good fight! Keep a good news list like Pastor Allen Jackson recommends. I call it the “look what God did!” list.

Veachanderthal

The question was asked, "Why did Jesus have to die for us to be forgiven?" If he's God, couldn't he just go on and forgive us? I've asked that question since I was a kid. The lack of answers to that and other questions drove me to 20 dark years of atheism. I can't answer the question in a way that would satisfy everyone, but on my path back to faith, I did find an answer that satisfied me. If God is "just" and holds justice to be of great importance, then the books must be balanced. It would be like being the father of a child and just "forgiving" one of your children for seriously injuring one of your other children. You have the power to do so, but would it be in the child's best interest? Socrates pondered this very question centuries before the Christ came to us. Something like, "maybe a just God could forgive sin, but I don't see how." If God is truly just the he is the perfect "balanced equation". It simply is not in his nature to allow the actions of his children to unbalance the universe. A reckoning is necessary. Throughout the history of the Bible, sacrifices were required to atone for our shortcomings. The 613 laws of the Torah were to be transactionally obeyed and payment in sacrifice was required for disobedience. I know it sounds a bit like a comic book, but only the blood of God was a sufficient sacrifice to atone for all the sins of mankind for all time. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross balanced the books for all time and freed our hearts from sin. Giving us the freedom to then gift our hearts back to God and to open them to the Holy Spirit. This is called justification. The spirit will then direct us to the actions and attitudes necessary for the next step, which is "sanctification". Ultimately, God will bring us to him in the final step. "Glorification". It's difficult to put the answer into words in a text like this. At the end of the day, these are large, deep questions and totally above my paygrade, but I prayed for understanding and this is what came to me. As I said, this answer might not satisfy everyone, but I have been completely and totally at peace with this question since it came to me. (After 50 years of searching.) Anyone that would like a more in depth discussion, feel free to reach out. If nothing else, there is peace and joy in honest fellowship.

JIM NEWMAN

I went through 3 of his books since watching this episode. Every one is worth the read.