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SRS #188 [Video] with Leigh and Robert Bortins (Patreon)

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2025-04-02 16:30:02
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2025-04-04 15:53:15
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Leigh Bortins is a trailblazing educator, author, and the founder of Classical Conversations, a leading homeschooling program that empowers families to embrace classical, Christian education. She’s the driving force behind a movement that’s transformed education for over 125,000 students across 50 states and 30 countries, emphasizing critical thinking, mastery of foundational skills, and a love for lifelong learning.

Robert Bortins is the CEO of Classical Conversations. Stepping into leadership after being homeschooled by his mother, Leigh Bortins, Robert brings a fresh perspective rooted in personal experience and a bold vision for education reform. With a degree in mechanical engineering from North Carolina State University and years of entrepreneurial grit, he’s expanded Classical Conversations into a powerhouse of academic excellence, emphasizing critical thinking, faith, and community.

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Melissa King

It isn’t that difficult. Only the beginning of setting up your systems. If you know you are going to do it, start your systems at like 3-4 years old with preschool - like 30 minutes a day 3-4 days a week. 1. Circle time 2. Alphabet 3. One skill (cutting, art, puzzles, something with letters) Read A LOT all the time - tons of books. Do A LOT of puzzles Every where you go: look at the red car, where’s the black dog? (There’s never a dog but it’s a good distraction.), One car, two car, etc …. Everything counting, shapes are everywhere, and counting (dinner, everything you hand them) Get them thinking and asking questions (you’ll regret this around 4 years old but it’s worth it🤣). Let them make their own mistakes. You need to define boundaries, stick to them, explain why, and don’t make everything no. You don’t want them that limited. No should be for things that will hurt them or a few words developed around your socialization skills you want to teach. If you want kids who call people Mr. mrs., ma’am, sir, etc … start young, and teach them that. Outside of that, don’t say no too much. Now, you need rules and chores because it gives them a sense of accomplishment and they need to know these things, so teach them young, make it fun, make it a game, and create a system. They need boundaries and you are their parent, but you are also their friend at times. Same as God. You just have to know your kid good enough to know which hat you need to wear. If you are never a friend, they won’t come to you when sex and drugs come up, but if you aren’t a parent, they won’t listen to your authority or respect you. Watch Jordan Peterson - he’s great on parenting. The whole socialization process is so much easier. It isn’t normal for kids to be away from home that much. Even our grandparents weren’t there that long. 12 years was the norm then. If you go to church, or even if not, your kids will socialize naturally. The problem is in the 80s when we grew up and think of homeschooling, it was typically kids with problems, so that weird “homeschool kid” became a thing. It isn’t normal. Limit screen time, but still give them kindles - not phones - you can monitor it, give them only access to what you want, but these kids need to know electronics, computers, and gaming with parental discretion and age appropriateness obvi. However, gear in on educational games when they are young - like 3. Yes, 3, and set the standards of 30 minutes at a time once or twice a day (usually when I was cooking 🤣). It teaches longer attention spans, reading, counting, etc … You can use Barney, schoolhouse rock (unfortunately on Disney plus), and abc mouse has a good program that you can start young. If they don’t get something, don’t push it. Don’t be over crazy about milestones, know them, but don’t push them on it. If they aren’t getting something, break it down to the smallest fundamental foundation you can get to. Take a step backwards and reteach it. You teach a is for apple, b is for boy for 1-2 years so expect it. Boys develop slower, so expect that too. Just know your kid and how to help them. Have friends and hear them but know your kids. That’s the key. They are little people with personalities, and go places - museums, etc - but don’t be busy. Find a balance. Homeschooling is awesome: you develop real relationships with your kids, you can go places while the other kids are in school so zoo and others aren’t as crowded, many places have homeschool days too, and vacations, travel for work, etc … all become easier. We have a ton of fun.

Tonya Caudill

Thank you for this interview. It's so important.

Highlander

Shawn!!! So excited about this one...extra super much! We are a home-educating family...and my husband and I were both home educated. We use Classical Conversations...and love it! Praying for you, your bride, and your treasures as you both seek HIM, asking HIM what HE wants you to know,...and then do. Best, meg

Mark Skorich

💪🏻❤️🙏🏻🇺🇸

Ronnie Tschan

Oh man I am excited 4 this 💪🇺🇸 Holy shit 2 hrs in , jumping outta my chair. I can’t stand the ones doing this. Announce on the Shawn Ryan Show, NOBODY goes to work , school , whatever till we have , what we deserve. It’s time for them to go , the Soro, Rothchild, fink. Time to knock on there doors 💪🇺🇸💪 🥷🏴‍☠️. If we stopped fighting for 2 minutes, u would see how bad they r really STEALING your life. It’s our life , not there’s to rule. Luv these people.

Highlander

P.S. Our parents home educated all 8 of their treasures. 100% of us are entrepreneurs, married to entrepreneurs,... raising entrepreneurs. I'm the firstborn of their bunch, and crazy proud of all my siblings...and that we all pursued service/others oriented life's work(s). We all live in Washington State...standing in the gap...holding the line...relying on HIM. Praying we are a light on a hill!

Stephen Casey

My wife homeschooled all 5 of our kids, now aged 28 to 17. All graduated a year early; 4th born daughter 2 years early. Outcomes: They are fiscally responsible, can connect with people of all ages (rather than the "Lord of the Flies" environment of only people their age level), and are in various stages of working out their lives as young adults. They crushed college level classes. They are most importantly committed to a Christian worldview and not mindlessly being indoctrinated into godlessness by the underlying assumptions of the public education system. Customized teaching and schedules: Got to train all of them in martial arts at whatever time the lesson happened. Our middle son decided he wanted to get up at 6 am and do his work before the others, so he got to play longer. We checked out baskets of books from the local not-yet-woke public library. Customized the learning process for our children's different God-given personalities. Hobbies of various types at all times of the day rather than cramming it in after 8 hours sitting on their backside at the government classroom. Low level of time commitment vs public school: Most work was done, if diligently, within 3-5 hours with the older kids. Little ones only took one hour max but generally 30 mins. At one time, my wife had all five under 18 and in different programs. Meets your personal views: We did Abeka, later The Well-Trained Mind, and then also CC. The point is be involved and intentional without putting them as a cog in a wheel of the public school industry which will raise them without treating them as a unique creation of God with a unique purpose. Keep up the great work! Praying for y'all daily.

Jennifer Phillips

So interesting! I wish I had homeschooled my kids!

Sam

I agree with everything, but I employ a lot of young people that don’t know how to type. I think some kind of typing should be involved. My daughter is a sophomore in high school and does not know how to type. She works for our business in the summer so she is learning how to type from us since they don’t learn it in our public school. I wish I would have known about this program when my kids were young. Sounds like a great program!

Cynthia Johnson

Here in Ct only a few do homeschooling. I don’t trust the public school system to keep lgbt?!/:??? Men in woman’s sports. Enough

Joshua D. Lo Bue

Great interview. We used Classical Convo on and off for years. It works for some neuro-typical kids and others it doesn’t work at all. The best part of homeschooling is creativity and critical thinking.

David Keller

Very inspiring. If I had kids I would use the Classical Conversation program .

Alison Johnson

Tennessee is great to homeschool. We had an emergent situation arise last year when my girls were in high school. We found an umbrella school (Home Life Academy) and they've helped me at every step. Best decision ever, wish we'd made it sooner.

Sara Wheeler

Our 4 year old starts school in 26...85% sure we're going to homeschool - just figuring out logistics. This interview was so helpful!! Thank you!! I've contacted our local CC community to get local details. Much appreciated SRS!!!

renee davis

Absolutely loved this informative interview!! Brilliant home based program.

Tony Weedn

My 12 year old son listened to this with me and 30 minutes in he asked if he could do CC for school. We talked and prayed about it over the summer and he started back in August. He is doing well and loving it! Thank you Shawn and team for this interview!