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Braxton McCoy—veteran, rancher, and public lands advocate—joins us to break down a controversial Senate proposal that could lead to the largest sell-off of public lands in modern U.S. history.

Introduced by Senator Mike Lee (R‑UT), the provision initially called for selling 2–3 million acres across 11 Western states, with up to 250 million acres labeled as “eligible” for disposal. Though the Senate parliamentarian recently struck it from the reconciliation bill, Lee plans to reintroduce it in a narrower form, targeting BLM lands near growing cities.

Braxton explains why this fight matters to hunters, ranchers, local communities, and anyone who cares about public access, habitat, and heritage—and what citizens can do to stop it.Contact your Senator on this land bill Here.

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Eric Taylor

Sorry, I don’t see the link in this or the audio version.

Donald S

Thank you so much for sharing this and making it a priority!! As a Texas who escapes to UT NM and CO to get out of the cities and refresh by enjoying nature, this Mike Lee is a piece of trash for trying to eliminate some of our greatest public resources!! Cannot wait to listen and do whatever I can to help stop this mess

Zachary Taylor

To put into perspective the amount and size of BLM land they want to sell is almost equivalent to all of the Natrona County Wyoming, the largest county in Wyoming.

AMERICAN LEGIONNAIRE

Leave it up to Utah to assume they can decide for other states what's done with their lands. Mike Lee, along with that cuck for commie CCP Cox, the governor, need to be hung for treason for their other affairs involving China. Hell, for that matter, most of Washington DC needs to be tried and hung for treason. Along with governors and mayors in every blue state and city, for what they're doing to this nation. RINOs as well. We are now a nation of traitors.

Michael Bandas

The amount of land is not the issue as much as the precedent it is setting. The impetus behind this is for the benefit of the rich and powerful paymasters of our public “servants”. This doesn’t pass the smell test — not even close. This may relate to the demands of nascent AI industry & the unprecedented requirements for power and water that the mega-processing centers will need. Just a hunch.

Tyler Studt - TRIBE 4 Children

Should be given back to us Natives. Where we would bring back wildlife the right way. You can start with the Black Hills.

Len Marchewka

With “affordable housing” there needs to be a model similar to Habitat for Humanity. You need to put in sweat equity otherwise it gets trashed. No offence to Natives (I have several relatives that are Native) free 💩gets trashed, Chiefs embezzle and defraud their band. There is no reason Reservations should be poor. I can think of hundreds of ways to generate money on a reservation. I know this isn't really about that, but it is basically the same model, the Government can’t do anything as well as the private sector.

The Red Flyer

Water!!!! Is there water in those areas???? No!

Kendon Brawner

I know Secretary Burgum has stated that sale of public land isn't in Trump's agenda, but I wonder if anyone's talked to Donald Trump Jr about this? I know he's an avid hunter and he could be a good advocate for our side in this fight.

James F

How do I buy that land?.. better we buy it than China or developers

AMERICAN LEGIONNAIRE

IED vs a Bullrider, Bullrider made it! Hell of a story brother. Damn! God will'd it you made it home brother. Amen!

Mark J. Hansen

So here in Detroit China owns all the vacant residential land in the city. This is exactly where new homes need to go. 100% with you on this issue.

AMERICAN LEGIONNAIRE

Anyone interested in one of the benefactors to all this land grabbing and profit, someone who somehow gets away with breaking every law and rule and regulation yet somehow never held accountable for any of it! Look up Ken Ivory, Ivory Homes in Utah, Idaho already kicked his ass out of their state pulling this shit. Utah has always had eyes on owning Idaho. That will keep everyone busy for a while in that rabbit hole. There's others, I'm just waiting on some messages and emails back on who else will be behind this and benefit from it.

Wesley Quinlan

Dam Shawn your on top of it. Huge thanks. Been contacting my representatives several times. Greed is killing this country. Oh and Mike Lee you’re a spineless bureaucratic bottom feeding leach. My apologies to the leaches of the animal kingdom.

Blake

These lands will be lost FOREVER if the bill goes through with the land sell-off. WE will NEVER get them back. WE HAVE TO STOP IT. Call or write your senators and representatives. Mr Shawn Ryan, thank you for quickly having and posting this interview. Your willingness to buck the status quo and do what you think is right rather than do what you're told speaks to your character. BAMF. Great video, thank you for posting it! Here's an idea of what you can do, four steps. 1. Contact your senator, or any senator or representative really, and let them know you don't support this and ask them to kill the public-land sell off. 2. Share a quick story about camping, fishing, or just being outside in a public space explaining why public lands are important to you. 3. Ask for the fix. Tell your members of congress to oppose any budget deal that sells our public lands, and strip those sections of the ENR title from the Big Beautiful Bill. 4. Close with conviction! "Public lands belong to all Americans - keep them in public hands."

Mike Winkelaar

I’m from Tooele , Utah just outside of Salt Lake. We’re all scared to death. They’re going to try and sell all of our public land. Utah is exploding from all the people moving here from California and other liberal shit hole states

BG

Fantastic interview. A whole lot of people are behind you, Braxton. We Will Win.

Justin Powell

This was another good one. Something nobody knows anything about and now shining light for "The People". Thanks Shawn and Braxton.

Chris Caputo

Here is where my mind goes; what’s under the surface of these proposed land areas. That’s the question to ask because I bet there is something in that ground worth a lot of money. They want land to sell off? They can have the southern border. When I hear areas like surrounding yellow stone I instantly ask myself what’s in the ground there because it’s worth a lot of money and they want to access it.

Brett Williams

God bless Braxton McCoy and his family. A true patriot that alot of people in this country dont deserve. I have contacted Rick Scotts office and will continue to do so daily.

Iris Lamb

Left messages and sent emails to both my AZ Senators. As someone who grew up on the edges of BLM and National Forest land, we were poor not rich, but we would spend our weekends hiking, exploring, and camping in the Apache Sitgreaves Forest, and AZ BLM land. This is ridiculous, and outrageous, this is OUR land, and it’s not for sale.

Ryan Swain

Just messaged my 2 senators from North Carolina. See if I get a response. Thanks for the quick link. Love ya Shawn and all you do. Keep up the great work brother!

Iris Lamb

For anyone who needs a letter to send to their senators along with calls you can use this that I wrote, just add your state and Senator name: I write to you not only as a concerned citizen of ______, but also as someone who deeply values the rugged beauty and irreplaceable ecological richness of our public lands. The bill presented by Senator Mike Lee, which proposes the sale of federally protected lands, poses a serious threat to our shared heritage. These lands are more than just swaths of wilderness—they are vital to biodiversity, essential to Indigenous communities, and foundational to our national identity. Once sold, they are gone forever. What we lose in open access and ecological integrity can’t be bought back. We must remember the bold vision of President Theodore Roosevelt and the enduring commitment of John Muir, who together laid the foundation for America’s national parks and public lands. Their belief was not merely in conservation for its own sake, but in securing for future generations the freedom to roam, reflect, and reconnect with the land. That legacy is now in our hands to protect. Public lands represent one of the few remaining truly democratic spaces in this country—where there is no distinction between rich and poor. Whether you’re a hiker with a backpack or a family on a weekend picnic, these landscapes offer the same freedom, beauty, and sense of belonging to everyone. That equality, rare and precious, is worth safeguarding. ______, perhaps more than any other state, thrives because of its public lands. Our outdoor economy fuels local businesses, sustains thousands of jobs, and gives families from every background a chance to connect with the land. Transferring these spaces into private hands undermines that legacy and risks prioritizing short-term gains over long-term stewardship. I urge you to stand firm in your commitment to conservation, equity, and responsible governance. Please vote no on any proposal that would put our public lands up for sale. Future generations are depending on the decisions we make today. Thank you for your leadership and for protecting what makes_______ extraordinary

Sam Savage

LOVE IT..! TELL SHAUN NOT TO DO SOMETHING HE ON IT LIKE WHITE ON RICE...! HAHA....! suck shit shady government dark state...! Can't keep a real patriot down! Ooorah! Xoxox 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽😎😎😎♥️

AMERICAN LEGIONNAIRE

This is our fight in Wyoming too. Sick and tired of the politicians we had here, no longer thankfully, but a handful left, Cheney is one and she's out. Utah making decisions for us here, our water rights, the Green River fight alone, yeah, we are pissed off too and prefer Utah keep their politicians to themselves. As for AssCrackiForniaStan moving here, thankfully we have winters that drive them out every year. Every year about the fourth week of December, good luck getting a UHaul out of here to someplace else. We prefer to keep our population as small as it is or even smaller. https://wyofile.com/as-wyoming-protests-public-land-sell-off-just-getting-started/

AMERICAN LEGIONNAIRE

I posted the map in the Vetreon Exchange for those interested in using it.

Sasa

Bill Gates has bought acres and acres of land in Wyoming, and he is going to build the first "waterless" nuclear plant in Wyoming. This was first brought to my attention in an article, which #SquirrelNation podcast first brought to followers attention. Actual handwritten articles. He, however, needs to get approval. It's bothered me ever since. I keep thinking about "destruction" "another natural disaster," and his layest, past year, meeting with Trump. This raised my eyebrows. I'm nobody from nowhere, 73, but the article, she read from laptop was real. I think somehow, someway the "land" Gates needs, plays into this topic. Gates needs the land!!!!! There is a connection somehow, someway. I know it in my gut.

Robert Diggins

THIS is why it's so important to recognize the interdependence between INDIVIDUALISM and COLLECTIVISM and to realize that we've been targeted with an ideological identity psyop. The Founders put THE COMMONS in The Preamble and added The Bill of Rights, as the first 10 Amendments, before the Constitution was ratified. THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT NOT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE PRIVATIZED. ⚠️ PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF ALL THE TIMES YOU HEAR ALL EVIL BLAMED ON COLLECTIVISM, BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE EXPERIENCING COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, INSTEAD OF PARROTING SUCH DRIVEL. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CORRECT USE IN THE CORRECT CONTEXT. SEPARATION OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE IS DISAPPEARING AND THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TERM OPERATION BY OLD, GENERATIONALLY WEALTHY OLIGARCHS AND THE PEOPLE THEY PUPPETEER, INCLUDING "INFLUENCERS". Does this strike a chord with anyone? Can you see what's happened and the biggest divide and conquer psyop around now being turned against you? It's NOT a different subject. 💡 ☯️ We CANNOT have one without the other.

Ryan Swain

Braxton, bro go on the BennyShow, another 5 million listeners to get your word out

Steve Holly

I'm surprised guys like Steve Rinella hasn't been more vocal on this matter. Joe Rogan too.

Steve Holly

I'm sure Tucker will be hitting up too

Michael Wigert

Great interview proud to have Zinke as our rep.

Steve Holly

They're selling our damn country to anybody with money... need to get our farmland back from China as well.

Evelyn Crotts

if nothing else this needs to be put on hold or away until better answers can given or exactly what is going to be done to or with this land, who wants to buy it would be a big one, so many question marks on this.....jeepers we got clearer answers on the recent bombing in Iran than this.......

Tracie Halvorsen

Mike Lee is a wolf in sheep clothing. He teamed up with Kamala Harris in 2019 to expand visas.

Barb Dwyer

Also the wild horses are the American 🇺🇸 people’s!!!!!!

Barb Dwyer

He’s correct about the animals!!!

Barlow

I might be in the minority on here. But I think definitely timber harvesting is very underutilized on public lands and is part of the reason there are so many out of control wildfires. Maybe the answer is a public/ private partnership that allows mining timber and oil leases while keeping the land publicly owned.

Lyndel

What is the over/under on they're lying about building "affordable housing"? We'll never get a straight answer from the SWAMP! LOL that's rich, Mike Lee accusing Braxton of getting paid when he's taken contributions from all the BIG$....Politicians need to remember that they are public "SERVANTS"!

Michael Vallencourt II

Why does the federal government own so much land in the first place? How many ppl in this feed are messaging from a subdivision?

Tracie Halvorsen

Utah wants to flood in Visa workers. It’s almost like they are repeating history.

Tracie Halvorsen

Public land is used for running cattle on too. Open range.

Tracie Halvorsen

Utah is the most corrupt state in the United States. Everyone doesn’t expect it from Utah, but I guarantee we are number one.

Tracie Halvorsen

I would almost bet, Americans are becoming the minority in Utah. When I go shopping, I am the minority. No one speaks English.

Tracie Halvorsen

They let the immigrants vote in Utah’s elections so I agree with McCoy. Utah is going to flip.

Trevor

fantastic interview, thanks for doing it

Craig S

A Patriot and regular guy doing what he feels in his heart is the right thing. More of us could learn a lesson regardless of what others think. Never trust the government regardless of which team you pull for. I'll be doing the research and then contacting my senators. Not just because these two fine gentlemen said to do so. Thanks for sharing Shawn.

Eli

The government is definitely lying about using this land for “affordable housing”. I’m in the construction industry and I’ve heard from a big builder that there’s enough timber in the north west to supply our lumber for the next 20+ years so I’m guessing that’s why they’re selling it

Woodscraps

Thank you for putting up with Braxton.

Kandi Ramsey

Thanks Shawn for doing this interview. I’m a Trump fan but i DO NOT want to see this happen. Hey don’t be hating on us unfortunate Californians. Haha. You can’t blame us for trying to get the out of this hell whole.

Indigo Brightside

Bro I love shawn but its funny how ppl voted for trump when all of these issues foreign and domestic policies are his fault at least he's getting cool with nato thoo but idk what you guys think trump is on those Epstein files he gotta do what BB says Jeff Epstein's girlfriend father was a mossad agent a not only that but Ari Ben-Menashe blew the whistle on that too other wise why would we be supporting a genocide

Isa Sunday

We the people together make a difference. Politicians set the tone, we the people govern the rules in a free democracy. I'm just budding in. We the people

samantha thompson

Thank you for being a patriot and an advocate! We appreciate you both bringing this to the attention of so many!

Cameron

I’ve contacted both my senators. Let’s see how many people will actually take the time to contact their senators.

Gnotic Pasta

Great interview. This affects Idahoans like myself. My senators have both spoken out against the measure (Crapo and Risch) so i don't think it'll go anywhere due to opposition from them as well as in the house. That said, this is a constant ongoing battle between the politicians that think they know better than the locals that live on this land.

Alison Rogers

Thank you for this interview and bringing attention to this issue, including the history behind public lands in the West and the existing laws that govern public lands. The conservation aspect is also VERY important and totally forgotten in today’s hyperelectronic world.

Phil McCrevis

Utah resident here and I just want to say thank you to Mike Lee for bringing together both sides of the isle, including generally apolitical people to oppose him and his bill LOL

Hamburger

Sounds like politicians are at work stealing from the people again when they start calling Shawn you can bet their trying something shady

Valkyrie

Thank you Sen Sheehey and Rep Zinke for standing against this land grab.

Bricktop

I believe this is all part of a global agenda. The Liberal Carney Gov in Canada is pushing for federal lands to be used n conjunction with “affordable housing” which they have stated is pre fab container housing, people get a small box to call home on federally owned or leased out land. Leasing to mega corporations like Brookfield group of companies who are in real estate big and who also won modular home companies. Mark Carney Canadas new PM was the Head of Brookfield before becoming PM. No conflict of interest here though! For sure. Just conspiracy theories l, given a few months will all become facts! This was a great and important issue. It has a global significance I think most people overlook. Control the USA you control the world! Let Freedom Ring! From every hill top, mountain, valley, lake and river on public land! The real BLM moral issue is one to protect the beautiful wilderness and all she nurtures on the hallowed grounds of the Bureau of Land Managment and beyond. It belongs to ALL not to the wealthy oligarchs or their political mouth pieces.

KisatchieAssassin

Thank you Sir for defending our public lands..More people need to realize what we have

Lisa

Follow the $. Developers and the 2% are probably on a wait list for the land somewhere.

Dorene King

Great timing on the Emergency Braxton McCoy interview. I'm highly disgusted with turncoat politicians within both parties. Never expected Mike Lee to hold hands with corrupt individuals. Also, I want President Trump to explain EXACTLY what he thinks taking the protections off of 58 acres and in what state(s)? My hope is for logging, farming, etc. Anything that serves America first. As a retired Navy Chief Yeoman the CCP sitting on our land next to 19 military bases angers the hell out of me and shows how money trumps love and protection of country. I'd like to see who owned and sold their land to CCP. It makes me sick that some greedy landowners in the USA are sellouts. God bless America and her people.

JIM NEWMAN

Some heavy Evil v Good shit going on. These last 2 episodes just show me again how screwed we are as a society. Great job guys

Greg Gilbert

You can’t put this on YouTube?

Greg Gilbert

They are only voting on this tonight and you won’t upload it to YouTube?

KLM

WE NEED TO FLOOD MIKE LEES OFFICE WITH PHONE CALLS TELLING HIM TO NOT FO THIS!

KLM

202-224-5444 is Mike lees DC phone number.

KLM

We used to live in Montana and my husband has harvested 2 brown bears (Alaskan). We lived by the Clark River named after Lewis & Clark and that part of our country is truly touched by God! I hope we can stop this legislation!!!!!!

Gilberto Yorba

The land is safe!! Mike Lee took out the land provision

Tim

Very good VE, Braxton is right, there are millions of Americans that oppose this, thankfully it was shot down. I’ve been corresponding with my state reps in Idaho about the use or sale of private lands for some time. Congressman Mike Simpson, along with senators Crapo and Risch of Idaho pushed back on this and I’m grateful for that. Perhaps Mr. Lee had some….ulterior motives for trying so hard to push this through. There are people, who would burn a place to the ground just so they could add one Penny to their bank account. Just my thoughts, rest easy and stay vigilant you knuckle draggers.

Whale

There’s more to this than just accommodating the millions of illegal invaders brought here to destroy our nation. The globalists banking cartel own most of the copper, gold and silver mines in the South American countries and they own the largest copper mine in this country - that just happens to be Senator Mike Lee's State - Utah😳

CT

Great interview. We need fellow Americans to open their eyes!

Whale

The tainted river

OC

Gaslighting is the ultimate political smoke-and-mirrors trick—a way to keep you confused, doubting your own eyes, and distracted while those in power rig the game. Politicians and their enablers rely on it because if you question reality, you won’t see the truth: that they’re lying to your face while picking your pocket. But once you recognize the illusion—the staged dramas, the rewritten history, the blame-shifting—their tricks lose power. Trust your instincts. What you see is real. What you feel is justified. And no amount of political theater can change that.

gallen45

I’m all for a Third party! I for one am sick of both parties! It’s all about wealth once elected! Why even put your hand on a bible and take an oath anymore,it means absolutely nothing and it’s a dam shame!

Lieutenant97

first of all, thanks for doing this interview! life long resident of 50 years in Utah. Braxton accurately hit the nail on these topics. over the decades ive seen land swaps throughout the state and these swaps have had been nothing but detrimental, not only access for the people but most importantly to the wintering range for all sorts of wildlife including mule deer, elk and so on. ive witnessed a substantial decline in wildlife population numbers due to lands being developed. ive seen portions of forest service lands being sold off to developers that does not benefit the every day person only the developer and the wealthy that build on it. developers that acquire 100 year leases on federal lands have ruined a lot of the wild places that i used to enjoy. the saying goes if they ask for a little and you give an inch they take a mile. and this is so true. there is no such thing as affordable housing in some of these places because there is no economic value there, it only benefits the wealthy that wants a summer home on 100 plus acres. when its gone its gone and the American people will never get it back.

Steven Peters

Tough subject. I live east of Bend Oregon. Seems there’s a big decrease in Mulys around our rural property. Also, blm is infested with homeless. As you guys have mentioned, we’re being saturated with liberal California. Also, great point about fences in rural areas. Cattle fence has worked. 5’ pole and wire?? People should be ashamed. Thanks Gentleman.

Lucinda Carey

I live in southern California and I see our state change as people leave for some of our crazy governor and school policies and high prices especially expensive high housing prices

Lucinda Carey

I'm with Shawn on redevelopment of existing buildings and property that has been abandoned. There are so many cities like this: San Francisco and Los Angeles here in California. All over USA we have these cities for example like Detroit. Why can't we redesign and develop affordable housing there?

Janis

I think every state with valuable resources is feeling the pressure right now. Here in Tennessee, we have an abundance of water and we produce a lot of power — which we sell to other places. But with so many people moving here from California, property taxes have gone up, and there’s growing strain on our energy systems to keep up with the population increase. There’s also been a lot more fracking lately. In fact, just a couple of months ago, we even had an earthquake here in East Tennessee — something that’s not exactly common for us.

Josh Simonson

Utah, the Great salt lake is not drying up. Governor Cox is slowly releasing the water, to allow lithium mining from the salt flats to an excavation company that ships the lithium or the unrefined salt to China to be refined, and then resells that lithium to rivian Tesla and all electronic vehicle and battery manufacturers. They do not want to drill for Wells because they aquifers have been poisoned through runoff from various companies throughout the decades, such as the kennicott copper mine Geneva steel and a few others have polluted the shallow aquifer, and have lobbied the government not to allow citizens to drill Wells to the deep aquifer in fear that that deep aquifer will become contaminated as well. They also refused to quarry stone, and put up Stone reservoirs and stone dams in the mountains that would increase the water table almost double in 5 years. They are building and developing all farmable land, with residential, and pushing all of the farms and agriculture into the desert.

Remi

Wow what an amazing patriot! I just finished watching this and Braxton McCoy appears to embody what the LEFT AND RIGHT fail to do. The left wants to save everything except people (smelt fish in CA took priority over their fire prevention policies). Then you have the right who wants build for profit without consideration of the impact (Senator Lees land grab bill), but then refreshingly you have a middle ground, the Land and Wildlife Conservationists like Mr. McCoy! He’s a realist and I tell you what, it stems from his hunter background and I’m sure entire lifestyle. At the end of the interview his message was clear. We can protect our land and still use its resources. The key is ethically! If you want to understand what that means, talk to a hunter. They are some of our greatest land conservationists. Great interview.

Chosen One , Prayer Warrior

Bill blasters download it gives you the info phone numbers to each congressman and senator direct line

Chosen One , Prayer Warrior

Thank you Sean for giving us all the alert about this immediately started sending it out to everybody we know and there is an app that you can download it's called Bill blasters that will give you the direct phone number to every senator and congressman thank you

Chosen One , Prayer Warrior

Man you lived American dream and thank you so much for your service you're all right love it ❣️🇺🇸

Chosen One , Prayer Warrior

We used to have moose that will come down into Oregon and that has not been the case in many many years because of what you're speaking of.

David Helmbrecht

When is the new studio going to be ready? I hope it has a monitor so that you can display some of these charts and maps or other things guests bring up.