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Dana

I have a feeling you're not going to enjoy many cdrama when the last minute redemption or regret of the villains is one of the major tropes of the genre. No major character dies without a wordy long Shakespeare monologue...

Dana

The aesthetic is much like the death of Jean Valjean in the musical. It's overwrought and melodramatic, feeling like it drags on for hours, with the music constantly going into overdrive. Understatement and subtlety is a modern concept in Western dramas, however much like in Bollywood, costume cdramas, after all, revel in those long, drawn-out death scenes instead. It's part of their charm.

Moon 月

Because girls like to be pretty and convenient at the same time, wearing dress and being free is sick! Hhhhh

Sgafx

there is no pure evil in the world. that’s simply the value a lot of CDrama want to address by highlighting death scenes of villains. Simply punishing them with a lot of torture could be much less impressive.

LKTV (Lok)

I mean, I'm definitely joking when I say that torture is the way; such comments only exist to show how much I want that character to suffer (a good indicator that they've been well created!) And I can't comment on the death scenes of other villains in C-Dramas because I'm only talking about Sui Yuanqing. That said, I still think that for what he did to Lin'an, Yuanqing needed to revel in the pain, emotional torture and despair of the realisation a lot longer for his death to feel poetic for me. When Qi Min dies, I'll gladly enjoy his monologue because we've had a look inside his twisted mind and can actually understand how he is the way he is and why he's so messed up. He's already tortured, and lives with the hatred and revenge that is quite literally still killing him. When he dies and doesn't see his plan come to fruition, I'll gladly bask in it. For Yuanqing's character, it doesn't feel like we really got that at all. End of Ep. 32 he finds out, start of Ep. 33 he finds Qi Min and dies. I wouldn't even say this is about pure evil, but rather just pacing and a personal preference to see such a great villain meet his timely end with a punishment that fits the crime. In the end, it just didn't really land for me, but I understand that's not everyone! 😊

LKTV (Lok)

I mean, I've really got no problem with long, drawn-out death scenes in general provided they're set up and executed well. I think between Yuanqing finding out about Qi Min and him attacking him, it all happened way too fast, and we barely got a chance to see him suffer the weight of that realisation. In the end, it just doesn't feel like he paid the price for his crimes, and him dying by his own hand no less, took the sting out of it. I would've loved to have seen Changyu or Zheng end him instead because he single-handedly destroyed and threatened the lives of the people they care about. I understand why Qi Min as the false-brother ending his life makes sense, but personally I would've much preferred to see him die in battle at the hands of the people he tried to destroy. That's just my opinion though

Choi

Only Sui Yuanqing can kill himself. Anyone else who kills him, he just comes right back😑

Dana

I see what you mean. Vengeance as a theme is funny in historical Chinese dramas. A main drive in xiaxia dramas is filial blood debt, for both the heroes and the villains. They are often mirror images of contrast and are seen as the major motivation of the characters and the plot. Qi man obsession with vengeance for his family has driven him mad. So it's forefront and their demise is about personal anguish. The journey of the hero is to let go of that vengeance, so by harming the villain its seen as a moral defeat, because the hero must overcome. So these dramas are more about the philosophical high road rather than cathartic retribution, and often if the hero personally gets bloody retribution it's framed as a hollow tragic victory. Eta: It's not a universal truth, more recent dramas have toyed with more grey heroes, but Im not sure if that's going to take or just a fad.

CA

I think in the end, Sui Yuanquin severing his own head as well as giving the tiger seal to the bandit woman is less to do with helping her survive but more to do with him seeing it as the only way to exact revenge on Chi Min. He knows that he is dying, so he wants to use Marquis Wu and Changyu to take Chi Min down.

LKTV (Lok)

Yeah I get it all, man. I was just pressed lmao 😭

Sgafx

One point the drama didn't clearly explain is Sui Yuanqing's backstory, which is more detailed in the novel. He was raised to emulate the Marquis of Wu'an from a young age, making him cold-blooded, ruthless, and insensitive to pain. However, Prince Changxin only learned the superficial aspects of the Marquis of Wu'an, failing to realize that the Marquis's true worth lay in his family, country, and people, not in his cold-blooded killing. Xie Zheng was only cruel to foreign enemies who slaughtered his people. For such a military general as Sui Yuanqing, the best punishment would be a psychological blow, such as his mother being murdered by his brother, the collapse of his brother's idolized image, and ultimately, his death at his brother's hands. BTW, I like your reaction videos a lot, please definitely do more CDrama. Some in-depth discussion are refreshing. Chinese history and culture are an inexhaustible treasure. Try some Kungfu series next. :-)