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ScathingAtheist 436: Cracker Jack Edition (Patreon)

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2021-06-24 04:57:46
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2026-06

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This week, Patrons get a marathon Eliatribe and a feedback segment that was clearly there just to show off that when Noah's gone, Eli and Heath can talk about whatever they want.

Comments

Ashley Kennett

As much as I love Noah's diatribes, Eli's are damned great too. Do we think they could be made more regular, ie. once a month maybe?

Kitty Maehem

Eli’s diatribe was really moving. Thankyou, for sharing so much of yourself because you obviously care so much. Sometimes we don’t deserve you.

Mees Hilgersom

I always got annoying looks when I broke the silence solving a rubix cube. Pretending to solve one would work to if you just want to break the silence... And 60 seconds is a nice goal for learning to solve a cube if you are more advanced.

Mariusz 'Kot' Butrykowski

Jesus, fuck, Eli, "no true new atheistm"? I'm gonna do what someone did to me when I disagreed with that headline, and mention people like thunderf00t, sargon of UKIP, or the armored skeptic, and their ilk. Who were they, the tuna sandwich? They were there all along, the "new atheism" was never anything clearly defined, they were the hangers-on to the four horsemen and all the other "destroying with facts and logic" minor celebrities. So please, please, please, don't join the good old podcasting boys club, and don't join Thomas' outraged reaction to a woman of colour disagreeing with him. You know whom and what Phil Torres meant. You know who 'new atheists' are. It's those who still hang around what's left of the four horsemen and connected minor celebrities, like pinker, krauss, etc. And the people in the article ARE taking money from the evangelicals and the nazi-ish crowds. All of that blew up mostly due to Eiynah doing an episode. Maybe engage with that, not with a strawman of bullshit. Yeah. I am very much disappointed. You are an asshole in that diatribe, Eli. You've ejected people who disagree with you from the movement, calling them "not really being a part of the movement". Great. That's me among many others. And we're mostly NOT white cishet males. So, congratulations. You're defending the far-right atheists you're disagreeing were a part of the movement all along, and doing their job of alienating everybody they hate at the same time. Great job. But you know what? I'm giving you, and Thomas, and everyone involved a chance. A chance to turn away from your natural and well understood reaction of turtling up in the face of criticism, think about what was said, and who repeated it and why.

Bruce Pless

I think you took Eli's statements way too personally Mariusz. You missed the whole point of his essay. Listen to it again. I did after reading your comments. Be careful you don't commit a straw man yourself

Hot Dickson Rice

Heath is 100% right. French press is the superior method of coffee brewing.

Hot Dickson Rice

He never said there no right wing assholes that are atheists. His point was to paint the atheist movement as far right was grossly misleading. It’s no different than saying the Catholic Church is a great organization for kids cuz I can name several Catholics who don’t rape kids. Gross mischaracterization was the whole point of the diatribe, not that there is no far right atheists.

Mariusz 'Kot' Butrykowski

Also, Zuzanna is a Polish name, and yes, it comes from the Hebrew 'שׁוֹשַׁנָּה'. And to be honest, we borrowed it before the US even had white people...

Mariusz 'Kot' Butrykowski

Yeah, nobody said "the atheist movement". The article says "new atheists", the drama started with Thomas Smith defending new atheists. Eiynah's podcast episode has her repeating over and over again she means those guys as well, and that she means "merge" not as "are" (though some of them seem to be).

Ian from wine country

It's like you didn't even listen, either to the full Eliatribe, or Thomas' episode. I've seen you post in the Facebook group. You're a drama vulture.

Ann Pollard

As always, Heath's laugh is infectious. I don't want a vaccination against it.

Daniel Fox

Also loved the diatribe Eli and agree keeping them a semi-regular thing would be great! Also inquiring minds want to know, do those "what is..." lines during the "How bullshit is it?" segment count for Eli? Or are they excluded because it wasn't during an ad read?

daniel martin

Wow. What a moronic take on what Eli said.....

tronvillain

Yeah... no. It's funny to say "no true new atheism" when this almost seems like a deliberate misinterpretation of what Eli actually said.

DuncanForSC

I get the point of the diatribe, and Eli's point about referencing "new atheists" being confusing. That was something that I hadn't considered, and it's important to clarify. However, I think it is just as much complaining about an imperfect headline as Eli bemoaned complaining about an imperfect movement. There's a real problem with prominent "New Atheism" folks (whether they were prominent in '04 or more recently) that have teamed up (or "merged") with far right assholes. Hell, Eli even mentioned one such example in the Southern Baptist story.

Buckaroo Bunny Slippers

There is only one thing all atheists have in common and that is a lack of belief in any gods. That's it, full stop. You can't kick out the assholes or suggest that being a "true" atheist ties you to all social justice movements. It's not a club. I can align with Sam Harris's opinion on free will and religion while completely disagreeing with him on gun control and Charles Murray. I can think cancel culture and identity politics is getting out of hand, while also finding racism and bigotry abhorrent. I can think Eli's diatribes have been awesome these past weeks, while disagreeing with this one. Am I still in the no god club?

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Fucking great Eliatribe! And as a Florida public school teacher, I can promise you, there will be no moment of silence in my classroom.

Bill Garthright

Are you "still in the no god club"? You just said it isn't a club. So if it isn't a club, there's nothing for you to be in. :) If it IS a club, then we should have some standards, don't you think? Yes, the only thing all atheists have in common is a lack of belief in a god or gods. If you don't believe in a god or gods, you're an atheist. But you may or may not be someone I want to hang out with. I cringe when some people turn out to be atheists, just because they're such shitty people in other ways. (I don't know you, and I'm NOT talking about you.) And some people I used to admire turned out to be that kind of person. It's a bummer, but that's the way it is. Sure, they're still atheists. But so what? I expect more from people. I certainly expect more from my friends and associates. Sadly, not all atheists are "my people," and I see no reason why I should accept them just because they, too, don't believe in a god. PS. I haven't listened to this yet, so I don't have any idea what Eli said in the podcast. I usually agree with him, but who knows? It seems pretty obvious what you're talking about, but maybe I got it wrong. Or maybe I wouldn't agree with him this time? It's possible.

Buckaroo Bunny Slippers

Oh... This Aunt Bunny, I know nuance is hard on message boards, but no, that is not remotely what I'm saying. I absolutely agree with humanist values and support social justice, I just think it's silly to pretend atheists who don't are somehow not "true atheists". It's pointless and destructive, much like making assumptions about people you don't know.

Julie Wine&Reason

Once again, Eli made me cry in the good way. A most excellent Eliatribe, sir.

Bowl of Piss Water

Heath, a glass or crystal nail file works better, is more durable, and is more comfortable than an Emory board for filing down nail length. Protip.

Cyn R Johnson

There is so much to thank all of you at PIAT for. Eli and Heath on your own doesn’t make me miss Noah less, it makes me appreciate each of you for who you present to us each time you air. Be safe, be well, and be happy in each day. Somehow you make it easier to breathe!

Ashley Kennett

So to ask " I can think cancel culture and identity politics is getting out of hand, while also finding racism and bigotry abhorrentt." is then not a position you agree with? In which case you probably beed to clarify your position because I have to agree with Aunt Bunny that sounds exactly like what the "I don't like LGBT rights movement" say. Which lets agree, the guys have always been in support of those movements and identity politics, so Aunt Bunny does have a point.