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It was confirmed this week that Disney spent $705m on Andor, which makes the show more expensive than any of the individual movies.

Of course, there are a couple of caveats here. Most obviously, Andor was not a single movie but instead a 24-episode two-season television show with a combined runtime roughly equivalent to the central nine movies (discounting Rogue One and Solo: A Star Wars Story). Even with this revised budget, Andor remains one of the cheapest pieces of live action Star Wars ever made on a minute-to-minute basis.

More than that, there is also the simple reality that Andor is very good. It is the rare piece of modern franchise media that is truly transcendent, a masterpiece both within the larger franchise and in the broader context of contemporary television. If these gigantic corporations were always going to throw big piles of money into the bottomless pit marked streaming where there was never any chance of financial return, Andor is a better investment than The Book of Boba Fett.

Still, this news confirms something that has been true for a little while now. The golden age of franchise streaming is over, and Andor stands as perhaps the crown jewel of this strange cultural moment, perhaps the only object that will emerge from this movement of any true value. In the late 2010s, chasing the massive success of Netflix, the major studios all pivoted sharply towards streaming. The idea was for each company to build a self-contained, subscription-based ecosystem.

Streaming was always intended to compete with theatres, to draw customers away from cinemas where their spending would be split with third party businesses and instead convert that into a steady revenue stream that went entirely to the studio itself. As a result, what streaming offered audience members had to compete with cinemas. It had to have the same name recognition and production costs. It had to be expensive and it had to be familiar.

Following this logic, the major studios pivoted towards putting expensive and high-quality brands on their bespoke streaming services, with no expense spared. For Disney, that meant live action Marvel and Star Wars shows that looked as good as (and featured the stars of) the movies. For Paramount, it meant a substantive investment in Star Trek. At Warner Bros., spin-offs like The Penguin and Dune: Prophecy were conceived as streaming shows on HBO Max branching out from popular films.

These shows were incredibly expensive. Disney was reportedly spending between $15m and $25m per episode on its streaming series. To be fair, at least part of this was down to the peculiarities of streaming, where above-the-line actors and creators needed to get paid more upfront to account for the fact that streaming did not generate the same residuals as film or television. Which, paradoxically, made the shows even more expensive, as they did not generate revenue.

Even at the time, this seemed like insanity. Without advertising, it was impossible to calculate the financial value of any individual streaming show. Sure, an average subscriber to HBO Max might check out Peacemaker, but was Peacemaker the reason that HBO Max got the user’s subscription fee or was it just something that the viewer was watching just because they had the subscription anyway? What was the long-term value proposition? Was The Mandalorian an “ever-green title?”

It is interesting to wonder what history will make of this strange period of shared streaming psychosis. As it was happening, it seemed unlikely that it could ever work. Sure enough, it didn’t work. The past couple of years have seen a reconfiguration of priorities almost as sharp and sudden as the embrace of streaming in the first place. Figures like Bob Iger all but acknowledged the damage caused by this “cultural fracking”, the effort to extract maximum value from this intellectual property.

These brands pivoted sharply back towards cinemas. The Mandalorian wrapped up after three seasons, and is getting a theatrical spin-off with The Mandalorian and Grogu next year, while the second season of Ahsoka remains the only live action Star Wars project on the slate. The next live action Marvel show, Wonder Man, had mostly finished filming in February 2024 and completely finished by April 2024, meaning it has been on the shelf for over a year.

There is no sense of what the streaming future for Star Trek looks like, beyond the two commissioned seasons of Starfleet Academy, starring Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti. Paramount was recently bought by Skydance and one of their first moves was announcing a new theatrical Star Trek movie from the Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves team. Predator: Badlands saw the franchise leap back to cinemas after the streaming success of Prey.

However, there is something vaguely disheartening in looking back over this era of streaming popular culture. For the better part of half a decade, studios took their biggest brands and properties, cast movie stars, and pumped insane amounts of money into them. It was never a model that was actually going to work. It was always a house of cards waiting to collapse. However, as the era winds down, it feels somewhat frustrating that this is what resulted.

The past half decade has seen a glut of lavish spending on beloved franchises: WandaVision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Star Trek: Discovery, Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Mandalorian, Skeleton Crew, Ahsoka, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Star Trek: Picard, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, The Acolyte, Dune: Prophecy, She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion. That is an insane amount of media, produced (on paper) to the highest quality.

It is the glut of output that most fans had yearned for during the nineties, during long draughts. The individual seasons might be shorter, but the Star Trek franchise was as productive as ever in this window. There was more Marvel content produced in the five years after Avengers: Endgame than in the eleven years running up to it. However, as the haze clears and the fog lifts, a lot of this media lacks “stickiness.” For all that volume and expense, the actual material itself has no real permanence.

There are exceptions, of course. Andor is a masterpiece and one of the best pieces of Star Wars ever produced. It deserves to be in conversations with Pluribus regarding the best show of the year. Prey is a phenomenal take on the Predator franchise that frankly looks more cinematic than several of the prior entries in that specific franchise. However, a lot of the highs of this era fall into the “that was pretty good” camp, like Loki or Star Trek: Lower Decks, rather than becoming perennial classics.

It's important to acknowledge that this may just be subjective. This might be the perspective of an older fan, frustrated that modern takes on Star Trek or Star Wars lack the novelty that they once had. It is entirely possible that – as with the Star Wars prequels – a new, younger generation of fans will emerge over the coming decades who see The Book of Boba Fett as a holy text to be lauded and celebrated with its own strange rituals and revivals.

It's also worth acknowledging that this might not be an issue with a lot of the media itself, but instead a reflection of the form. Streaming is designed to be “content” to be “binged”, an approach that prioritizes consumption ahead of appreciation that does not lend itself to longevity. Audiences watching The Empire Strikes Back in theatres weren’t concerned about “second screen viewing”, and so the media itself wasn’t tailored towards needing to be understood by a viewer on their phone.

There is a reflexive reaction against the nostalgia of complaining about new media while lauding old media. There has always been bad franchise media. And while some of these streaming releases are bad – in ways that are frankly unforgivable – many are just “fine.” More than that, they feel like they were grown in a lab specifically for the purpose of being “fine”, unburdened by any loftier ambitions. They are designed to fill minutes and hours, and by that metric they are an unqualified success.

Looking back over it, it feels like such a waste. The money spent on these shows and films was always being thrown into a gigantic money shredder. The studios never had any real chance of competing against Netflix. If that money had to be spent, why not spend it on things that tried to be good? Why not take big swings? Why not give the money and complete creative freedom to artists? There was never going to be any financial return anyway, so why not make something worthwhile?

The answer, by the way, is as obvious as it is frustrating. Actual creatives were marginalized within this process. Marvel refused to spend the money and grant the freedom necessary to hire experienced showrunners. There were constant stories of talented creators being hired and fired from these projects, with Obi-Wan Kenobi replacing the Oscar-nominated screenwriter of Drive and The Wings of the Dove with a guy from “the Transformers writers’ room.”

It's no coincidence that part of what brought this era to the end was a massive strike by writers who felt like the industry no longer valued or respected their contributions, no longer created clear paths to sustainable living. In many ways, this push to minimize the role of creatives in the process of creating feels like it paved the way for the current fixation on generative artificial intelligence, the belief that media can be created without a perspective or a personality.

There is undoubtedly a financial motivation for this. A large language model is theoretically cheaper to maintain than a writers’ room. However, these studios have been abetted in some ways by certain segments of organized fandom, which has a tendency to react incredibly strongly towards any creator who dares to push a given property somewhere even remotely novel. There is a very vocal audience that seems like all it wants is to eat reheated leftovers reconstituted from decades-old ingredients, and that’s where Hollywood has been trending.

Even on the law of averages, given the sheer amount of money spent and volume of material generated, it feels impossible that Andor should be the only work at that level of quality to emerge from this glut. It takes real work to avoid hitting a home run so consistently. That is what is so upsetting about all this. The issue isn’t that Disney spent $705m on Andor. It’s that the industry spent billions on other streaming media that is nowhere near as good.

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Jared

Those last two sentences really hit hard. Some streaming shows have been truly great - I don't watch hardly any actual television, but Andor, Severance, Ted Lasso, and X-Men '97 were some great shows I watched in the last 5 years. But most of everything else I saw (which is admittedly hardly a representative sample of everything streaming has to offer) was fairly bland.

bluemage27034

I'm a card carrying nerd, but I've fallen off the marvel and Star wars trains. There was just too much of it and so much of it was just there to fill a slot

majorenglishesquire

I love fandom. I've been writing fanfic for decades, I commission and support fanartists when I can and still read fic and meta about long-dead franchises. Still, I've grown deeply frustrated that corporations love the modern dialog with fandom so much that they want to keep feeding us the same things constantly. Similarly, I'm frustrated that my fellows in fandom are still, for example, pushing money into JKR's hands (and therefore into the pockets of UK politicos who trash the human rights of trans people) for more microwaved wizard content. If this is the eulogy for streaming, "content brain" is unfortunately the inheritor of the estate. If fandom doesn't grow up and away from the Stars War and/or Trek, the wizards, and the beloved superheroes, Content and its slop bucket will persist. You're very right. There's nothing really "sticky." The slop slides right off.

Tim Wilson

Part of the issue is that there’s just so… much. I’m sure there’s other shows of quality available but where are they? Disney? HBO? Amazon? Netflix? And where exactly, buried 50 miles deep? And even if it was incredible, there will be no follow up because it was drowned out by “Stars Wars, I guess it’s the goonies this time?”. As always, the essential lesson of “if it’s good, people will pay for it” appears thoroughly ignored for quantity over quality. Excellent, if infuriating, article as always.

Davsau

Darren lists all those titles that either missed the mark or had no impact, and what kind of bugs me is that for many of them it probably wasn’t the fault of the cast and crew. Many of them would have been tasked with filling an IP quota and subject to heavy studio controls. We may never know what genuinely good ideas got smothered in the crib.

jombilywobbily

Part of it also works in some way, I believe, the same as when Marvel picks and up-and-coming indie darling to direct their newest major blockbuster and they all but admit in interviews they feel like directors for hire. They'll shoot the "emotional" beats of the story, be good press, but they basically have no say in the final product. That sucks and I bet that goes for many of these projects "Andor" succeeded because it somehow managed to give its creatives the freedom to create. That, to me, is Kathleen Kennedy looking back at her career and now her tenure over at Disney and thinking to herself: "I'm better than this. I supervised the post-production of 'Jurassic Park' while Steven was off shooting 'Schindler's List' in which I also served as producer. Fuck this" My head canon, at least

jombilywobbily

I think buying Fox's media side for content in their streaming service far surpassed the cost of "Andor". The good we got out of that was also not nostalgia bait, at least. Hell, I'm still mad that "Deadpool & Wolverine" completely overwrote Loki's arc in his own series and made his sacrifice all for naught, just one of many things wrong with that movie What's crazy is that having their content on Netflix is good publicity for studios' other content on network TV or low-key, but still dedicated streaming platforms such as AppleTV+ (which is a good model to follow, IMO: if you're gonna pump millions into shows, at least make them worth something)

Tommy Salty

As you said in your 250 episode on Star Wars shows: you hire talented writers and you get a good story, it's as simple as that. But for reasons discussed in the article, they won't do it. I watched only Andor, I'm completely done with Star Wars or new Star Trek, I think the former is rehashing the same thing and the latter is afraid to be intellectually challenging like its predecessors. But many people want to be Leo pointing at TV.

Darren Mooney

Yep. And even if you don't end up with a good story every time, you astronomically improve your odds of a great story, and you certainly greatly diminish the odds of a forgettable throwaway content.

Darren Mooney

Oh yeah, Netflix is a really great promotional tool. You can tell when a new "Mission: Impossible" or "Dune" movie is coming out, because the earlier ones go to Netflix for a few months. Everybody makes money that way. It's a good model.

Darren Mooney

Oh, I don't blame the talent or the creators to be clear. I'm sympathetic to them. And, in most cases, glad they got paid. But it is very disheartening.

Darren Mooney

Yep. Apple TV+ is low key the best of the streamers, but because a lot its stuff isn't "big tent IP" it tends to go under the radar except for the people who know.

Darren Mooney

Yep, that's the most damning thing. You travel back in time and tell kid me that there's going to be a time where there are five different "Star Trek" shows on at the same time, set in different times, with different tones and styles? That sounds like paradise. But the only one of those five I find myself occasionally thinking about is "Lower Decks", which is... frustrating.

Darren Mooney

Yep. I am a massive nerd. And I am a fan. I love this stuff so much. I think so much about it. But... it really feels like outside of "Andor" and "Prey", a lot of this stuff just washes over me.

Darren Mooney

I've seen all of it, but forgotten a fair amount of it. We were doing planning for a podcast thing (non-Second Wind), and I listed "Star Wars" shows, and I *completely forgot* that "Skeleton Crew" even existed.

Tommy Salty

Thank you for replying, that's really nice. I'd argue that some of the less successful works of art of the past at least had an interesting history behind them, or took risks, or were overly ambitious. But it was something. Algorithm and committee driven production generates competently shot movies/shows with acceptable performances, but no soul. I prefer imperfect stuff made with heart.

Darren Mooney

Oh, I try to reply when I can. There are periods when I can't, usually when I'm video editting, but I try to engage! It's good to chat.

Kirk Schneider

I'm out of the loop, what is replacing the streaming age? I can see how streaming is unsustainable but it doesn't look like traditional TV or cinemas are makinga comeback.