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Season 3, Ep 5 (Patreon)

Published:
2021-11-24 16:28:20
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2023-07-01 15:36:39
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thank you so much for your understanding of the late post! 

this was.... an interesting one so hopefully worth the wait. :)

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Buffy Season 3, Ep 5 - Homecoming

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Comments

Shandler

Not even clicked the link and I’m already guffawing at the Willow and Xander graphic. Top stuff.

Melissa

I am CRACKING UP at the intentional marking out on Xander and Willow. Well played, Darcie! Already worth the wait.

Christine

Why does Willow look like Violet Beauregard from Willy Wonka ?

Steveo

Angel is staying at the mansion they found in season two after Giles burnt down the factory! It first showed up in Episode 19 of season two.

Melissa

I would have really loved this episode completely if it weren't for the Xander/Willow kiss. And Darcie, you have all my feelings on cheating. Have the decency to break up with the person first. Anyway, I'm Team Cordelia (and Oz) first and foremost. Now for my homecoming confession (gulp): I still have my dress hanging in my closet because I never throw anything away. No idea what happened to the prom one which is weird because I actually managed to wear it again many years later for a wedding. (Yes, I was the same size for forever.) Okay, another confession. My prom dress was on Saved by the Bell once worn by Lisa to Jessie's father's wedding. My mom altered it slightly by adding something but it's the same one. Please don't judge me. Faith yelling out "Sleazebag!" at Scott was so endearing. And then her humiliation with the STD thing was hilarious. "Cordelia, the spatula". Your motto in life is me. I adore sleep. If it were possible, I would marry it. I forgot how much I really love season 3. So glad you finally met the Mayor! This episode really did have a lot of what you were wanting to see. I wish Buffy had brought him sandwiches.

Bri

The whole Scott thing, I don't think we should have any hard feelings. His two best friends died like two weeks ago. He's probably a bit messy at the mo, and that's ok. Regarding the Cordy/Buffy fight, the group agreed they should remind Buffy about the yearbook photos, because she has a lot on her place and might miss it, and entrust Cordy with it. The fact she doesn't bother is shitty, and inconsiderate. It's not that surprising- I don't think she's had a lot of real friendships before joining the Scoobs. From Buffy's perspective, she's feeling high school slipping away, and she's got another focus which she has to prioritize, and I think as she goes through her final year, she's really starting to come to terms with what that means - for this part of her life, and she's probably extrapolating to other phases of her life too. She wanted this tangible connection with her wider community, and that's what the yearbook picture represented. Everyone gives Cordy a pass on her shitty behaviour, imo, because she's set the bar so low in the past, being actively and unnecessarily cruel, that anything short of that seems 'normal'.

x_Rhi_x

addition to Darcie's list of fears....vhs players

Melissa

Cordelia didn't purposely not tell her. She volunteered and was planning on it when she got sidetracked for a selfish reason and then genuinely forgot. Very typical teenager. If she secretly planned to pretend to tell her and then didn't, that would be a really crappy thing to do but that isn't what happened. She obviously also didn't realize how much it meant to Buffy or the weight of it all. If the gang had really wanted to make Buffy aware, then Willow or Xander should have done it themselves. They know Cordelia isn't known for being the most reliable.

Meredith

I love your reactions but I found myself disagreeing with 95% of your thought process. This was Buffy’s “thing” too. Until she got pulled away from it. She’s basically a young girl who was given all of this adult responsibility. And Cordelia (who is one of my favs) was being self centered and mean. But yeah I hate the Willow and Xander stuff- I get it teenage hormones and what not- but ughhh!!!!

ghostofdurruti

I quite like this one--it's very funny! And while I agree that Buffy's attempt to muscle in on Cordelia's "turf" was a bit petty, I think it's understandable: she was pissed at Cordy for failing to tell her about the yearbook pictures. I doubt she'd have done it if not for that, and I don't really see what Buffy did as substantially worse than what Cordy did. I'll be the first to acknowledge that I have a bit of a pro-Buffy bias, though. Speaking of having a bit of a pro-Buffy bias, Faith (in her limited screentime) gets some nice moments. When she first showed up, she was kind of interested in Scott, but that's definitely in the past after how he treated Buffy. I can kind of see where Scott was coming from; the implication is that Buffy's been so focused on Angel that she's barely been spending any time with him, and he did just lose two of his oldest friends last episode. With that in mind, I'm not sure that what Faith did at the dance was a "good" thing to do objectively... but it was definitely the act of someone who's really shaping up to be a good friend for Buffy. I actually kind of feel bad for Faith. I mean, she asked Buffy to go to Homecoming with her, Buffy agreed, and then Buffy (through no fault of her own) ended up standing her up! Poor girl. All that said, I do have one glaring problem with this episode that I would be remiss not to bring up: Willow sides with Cordy over Buffy. That's so out of character! It makes a certain degree of sense that Xander sides with Cordy--she is his girlfriend, after all--but although Willow and Cordy have been much friendlier lately, their friendship is definitely far weaker than Willow and Buffy's. The only way I could see that making sense would be if Willow felt *really* guilty about something she'd done to Cordy and was overcompensating to make up for it. It's so weird that they didn't put anything in to try to justify that! Very strange bit of writing, there. ;)

bing.E

I thought there was something wrong with my coputer screen until I saw what episode it was lol I understand but still, love this episode and it's actually not one of the many, that makes ME wanna scribble Xanders face. haha

MattyIce777

"This is stupid, it's so stupid. It's frustrating me." They're 17-18, I'd be more surprised if they were smart and well put together honestly.

Svetlana Grabar

I have sooo many feelings about this episode. First of all, that Xander/Willow scene, I can't watch. So cringe. And other commenters were right, Willow is acting so different from her normal priorities and actions. I agree with you about Buffy vs Cordelia. I completely get Buffy wanting to be part of the yearbook and feeling left out. It's continuing the "I want to be a normal girl" theme- something outside of killing monsters. But you're right. Buffy should think for a second and realize that she's taking something away from Cordelia. IMO Cordelia's comment about how being homecoming queen requires being part of the school- that's correct. On a basic level, Buffy doesn't do all the extracurricular activities. She sticks with her close friends but doesn't branch out. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't translate well to all of a sudden hijacking Cordelia's dream.

madfem

Buffy and Cordy are not friends per se. They hang together bc Xander is dating Cordy.

Claire Eyles

The whole Xander/Willow thing was like 'oh god no!' when it first aired. I have a head canon thing that explains this totally unnecessary subplot, to me at least, but I cannot yet share that with you because there be spoilers.

Bud Haven

Is there another show better at giving you what you want but not the way you wanted it? tagline: Buffy the Vampire Slayer – Be careful what you wish for. lol

Chas Summers

There are shitty reasons for this subplot that can be explained later on.

Chas Summers

I like on the strengths/weaknesses white board, Xander is under Cordelia's weaknesses.

David Meadows

"I spend my days praying that we'll get another hyena" said nobody ever (until now) :D

Andrew Pulrang

The commentary on Buffy vs. Cordelia is all interesting. I”m not sure where I land. But I do think this is one of the episodes that most clearly shows that there was some ambivalence still on the show as to whether Cordy is a classic “mean girl” or something more. It feels like one more attempt to say to an audience that mostly enjoyed Cordila, “Hey, she’s kind of a bad person!” The fact that it doesn’t work really demonstrates how fictional characters can take on a life of their own … and be very successful with audiences while NOT being what the writer originally intended.

Jessica Roth

My ongoing character crtiques (Buffy is horribly selfish and self-involved, and the show is trying to cover for this by loading the dice in her favor) aside, this is a very good episode. In fact, years ago, I used to play a deeply-complicated trivia game built around identifying particular lines of dialogue. There was more to it than just this, but let me give you a taste before showing how it relates to this particular episode. Identify who's speaking, whom they're speaking to, and which episode, please. (No checking the transcripts; that's cheating lol.): 1. …you'll never get to destroy the world. 2. …I know my name… 3. You're the lameness. 4. I just want to go on a date. (An ellipsis indicates the sentence is larger than the fragment I provided.). Fire away! (Or not [/soft sell])

Jessica Roth

So here are the mini-quiz answers: 1. …you’ll never get to destroy the world. —Spike to Angel, “Becoming, part 2” 2. …I know my name… —Willow to Buffy (via phone), “Becoming, part 2” 3. You’re the lameness. —Cordelia to Xander, “What’s My Line, part 1” 4. I just want to go on a date. —Buffy to Giles, “Never Kill a Boy, yada-yada” So congrats to ghost! But this was only the beginning… Once all the quotes in a quiz were identified, players were then asked to look at the surrounding (or “contextual”) text (two sentences in either direction) to see if they could spot connections to an overall “theme”. Which was usually a particular scene, although not always. One person did the contents of Buffy’s whiteboard here as a theme. (I wish I could remember the connection they used to prompt “dandruff”, which is listed as one of Michelle’s weaknesses…poor girl!). The person who won the round got to host the next one, and so forth. So, as I got to be fairly good at this, I did my share of hosting, and I tended to choose as my themes scenes that I enjoyed. Usually, this just involved matching dialogue. For example, when I chose the “I Quit” scene in “Prophecy Girl”, I used this connection: Everything is life and death when you’re a 16-year-old girl. —Joyce to Buffy, “The Harvest” BUFFY: Giles, I-I’m 16. I don’t want to die. (And then I got very sad. But I digress…) So, one time I was hosting and I got more adventurous, and it went a little like this… 1. SPIKE: …you’ll never get to destroy the world. And I DON’T FANCY spending the next month trying to get Librarian out of the carpet. FASTBALL (singing): WELL, I DON’T WANT… 2. WILLOW: …I know my name and WHO’S PRESIDENT… FASTBALL: …TO BE PRESIDENT… 3. CORDELIA: [Buffy’s] the SUPERCHICK or whatever. You’re the lameness FASTBALL: SUPERMAN… 4. BUFFY: CLARK KENT has a job. I just want to go on a date. FASTBALL: …OR CLARK KENT. And so on, connecting to both the song lyrics and the dialogue (Angel telling Buffy “I heard you were on the hunt” in 2.02 matches Scott telling her “I heard you were doing this” here, for example) until the whole montage was done. Which I guess is a VERY longwinded way of saying that I spend way too much time on this series, and I really love the montage scene here. And a lot of the episode. I just wish that Willow/Xander wasn’t being so blatantly sacrificed on the altar of “Angel’s back! Yay!” by making it “okay” that Buffy is LYING to EVERYBODY. Buffy: hiding the mass-murdering demon who tried to END THE WORLD only four months ago. Willow: OMG SHE KISSED A BOY WHO ISN’T OZ!!! Yeah, totally equivalent. The audience just HAS to give Buffy a pass, right? Ugh. (Yeah, he has his soul again, he found it in his other pants, I know. But all I can think that he had the soul in January, too…how did THAT work out, exactly? Maybe I should ask Jenny?)

Jessica Roth

BTW, I have NO idea what to make about Buffy covering her left arm with her sleeve (in the whiteboard scene). I never saw that before. My first guess would be that Sarah cut herself "crushing" the Snapple™ bottle on a previous take and there's a bandage that's being covered. But you're REALLY not supposed to be able to cut yourself on prop glass ("The Amazing Race" has had tasks when competitors break DOZENS of prop bottles on their partners' heads) and I don't know why SMG would have used her left hand anyway, as she's right-handed. I'm sure there's a story; I just don't know it. Odd. (And well-spotted!)

Thom Purdy

I'm on Scott's side. If someone is not happy in a romantic relationship, it's better to end it, than be unhappy.

Jordan Haddow

Not much to say for this episode other than I think it's mainly here for some much needed character development. It's a bit fun once you get past the homecoming nonsense. The rest, I will leave for later. Other than, this is one of the most hated events to have taken place in the Buffyverse. To have finally been given something most fans wished for for over a season at exactly the worst time. The awful kiss nobody wants anymore. Then they just have to twist that knife with Cordelia's admission of her love for Xander. Her first love. Damn you Buffy writers.

RNR

Also, just because it's important to Cordy doesn't mean Buffy isn't allowed to care about it too. Cordy gets ALL the normal high school girl stuff. She's ALWAYS the queen of the dance, or voted Ms. Popular, or dating the football quarterback type of stuff. This is ONE time where Buffy wanted to care about something that wasn't risking her life. Also, none of them really consider Cordy their friend. Every time they introduce Cordy to someone, they say something like "oh this is our friend...well...sort of." They think of Cordy just as Xander's girlfriend, someone who wasn't really invited or accepted into the group but gets to hang around because she's with Xander. Add onto that how Willow feels about Xander, how Buffy is Willow's best friend, how "tiresome" Giles finds her, and the fact that NONE of them can even figure out why they're dating in the first place, how they're always at each others throats, insulting each other and yeah, I really don't get the sense that Buffy is somehow betraying a friendship with Cordy or trying to take away her spotlight. They just simply are not friends, and this is something that Buffy cares a lot about. This is her last year of high school. The last year she gets to be SEEN as a kid to society and is SUPPOSED to be caring about high school stuff. Once senior year is over, she'll never have that chance again to just be a kid, even for a second. There just aren't any opportunities like that after high school, so this is quite literally her last chance to ever do something normal and just for the fun of it.

RNR

Oh and a quick final note: Willow and Xander kiss. I get it, we love Oz, some people like Cordy, cheating is wrong. But. Willow and Xander have known each other THEIR WHOLE LIVES. They've only known Oz and Cordy for a few months. So. When they're in the room together, and especially because they're reminiscing about something that happened in like 7th or 8th grade, they are falling into Willow/Xander mode. They aren't thinking about Oz or Cordy or the dance or ANYTHING ELSE. All they are thinking about is the feeling of being close to each other, sinking into that feeling that they've had (or at least Willow has had) so strongly for pretty much her whole life. There is no part of me that thinks they were intentionally doing something wrong. I think they just got swept up in that feeling and forgot that the rest of the world existed for a moment. It's certainly UNFORTUNATE that when they finally kiss there are other people involved, but I don't put FAULT on them for that. Especially since you can see that as soon as Willow DOES remember that she's dating someone else, she breaks the kiss and they spend the rest of the episode specifically not kissing and trying to figure out what's really going on between them.

Calvin Allen

First the shoes and now the hidden hand cast. I have seen this show dozens of times and you keep pointing out things I have NEVER noticed.