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Season 3, Ep 19 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-03-01 17:04:55
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2023-07-01 15:33:53
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okay fancy little robbery plan?! an exchange?!!

fun 😌

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Buffy Season 3, Ep 19 - Choices

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Jessica Roth

IMO, 17 and 18 were a miss…but this is sweet bliss. Welcome to the permanent writing staff, David Fury! "Helpless" is forgiven! (Contner's directing, so I have to check for Shoe-Cam. But I'm sure he's put his best foot forward, this time.) Willow's Night for Suave + Darcie = Joy!

Tim Pierce

You can watch the bloopers for season 3 now. The spoiler I mentioned was seeing the mayor and Faith together. Northwestern is a school in the state of Illinois. It's the 24th best college in the world. Famous alumni are Katherine Hahn (WandaVision), David Schwimmer (Friends), Julia Louis-Dreyfus (Seinfeld and Veep), Zooey Deschanel (New Girl), and Stephen Colbert. As I'm sure you've heard, the previous episode was delayed after the school shooting that happened. Imagine the confusion of having Buffy and Angel take some time off at the end of Enemies, then going into this episode and seeing them talk about how stale their relationship is becoming. People don't seem to notice that Willow tried to escape, but she couldn't get the doors open. Or at least that's how I seen it. This is the first time Buffy and the mayor have interacted. He knew about Buffy back in season 2 (Snyder called him after he expelled Buffy), and they did cross paths momentarily in Band Candy, but the mayor fled and they never spoke. Not my favorite episode either. There are episodes that I can watch over and over again (Band Candy, Earshot), and then there's episodes like this one that have great moments, but on a whole, it's only average, for BtVS (just my opinion). The good news is, after the next episode, the finale is a two parter, so you won't have to wait long for answers.

ghostofdurruti

I like this one a lot! Major progress on multiple aspects of the season arc, great character moments for multiple characters (including most notably Willow, who gets to show off the confidence she's slowly developed over the course of the show in her confrontation with Faith), and a fun heist-turned-prisoner-exchange main plot... what's not to like? Some people get frustrated with Willow for not trying to escape, but from a close watch it seems like she did--the first move she made after dusting that vampire was to try to get through a pair of double doors, which were locked. I'm assuming those doors were the way out. Maybe she should have tried harder to escape, but with the Mayor, Faith, and various vampires roaming the halls, I think she made the best of the situation by poking around for information instead. UC Sunnydale feels like a bit of a convenient invention by the writers to make it possible for the core cast to stay together after high school, but it is notable that the existence of a college in Sunnydale was established last season in "Reptile Boy". At the time it was named Crestwood College; my headcanon/fanwank about that is that after the frat's reptile-demon-god died and their alumni's fortunes dried up as a result, the college fell on hard financial times, got bailed out by the state, and ended up being incorporated into the University of California system.

Jessica Roth

And now you know why I 'ship Buffy/Willow. <3 (I'm SO tempted to leave that as my only comment on the episode. But you know I won't.)

Bri

I think Willow's decision shows how Buffy's commitment to fighting evil inspires people who love her to be better, to commit themselves to the same goal. The relationship between these two, is to me, what this show is really about. How their friendship enables them to become these more powerful and more compassionate versions of themselves. So much focus is put on romantic relationships in our culture, and I think it's really great the show addressed how important this friendship is for both of them in this way. It's the highlight of the episode for me, the scene on the lawn ❤️❤️

Steve Quast

Yeah, this may be the first time they've shown the skeleton when a vampire gets dusted. It won't be the last. It's a pretty neat-looking effect.

Steveo

I always thought next seasons dustings looked the best! So they're coming!

Andrew Pulrang

This wasn’t the first episode of Buffy I ever watched. I think that was one from earlier in Season 3 … I had to go back and catch up with 1 and 2 when the DVDs became available. But this is the episode that made me a lifelong fan. The dialog is extra tight and snappy, the stakes are high, and the emotions are genuine and intense. One of the very best of the “ordinary” episodes — “ordinary” in the sense of not being one of the more generally recognized “best of Buffy” episodes everyone talks about.

SK Elkins

"You killed him!" "What are you, the narrator?" This is such a fun episode. First-rate work from David Fury. Today Darcie taught me a new way to use "trolley" as a verb, and it made me snort loudly enough that I had to explain to housemates what had amused me so. They liked it too. I saw someone elsewhere ask about this, so just for the benefit of those readers not in North America: the distance from Northwestern University in Illinois to Santa Barbara (the city generally believed to represent Sunnydale's geographical location in the real world) in California is 2,113 miles. That's 3400.5 kilometers to you Europeans. So, yeah. Not exactly a quick commute should the hellmouth start acting up. As for the colleges mentioned in this episode: Columbia University is one of the 8 original members of the Ivy League and one of the most competitive and prestigious universities in the country. Duke is a top-tier school as well. Cordy did very well indeed. Northwestern University is also a top-rate school with an excellent reputation; gaining admission there would be quite an achievement for someone with Buffy's GPA and lack of extracurriculars (or at least, any extracurriculars she could reasonably cite on her college application). Quite frankly, I've always found it to strain credibility for her to have been accepted at Northwestern, but never mind. In addition to her fantastic SAT scores and the glowing recommendation I imagine Giles wrote for her, I'll just assume that she also wrote a kick-ass essay and had a *really* good interview. Anyway, the point is: her mother's excitement is justified, and it's understandable that going there is an opportunity Buffy would be pretty crushed to have to allow pass her by.

Thom Purdy

OK...I have been watching this show since it originally aired. Multiple private rewatches, and about a dozen reactors. I had never noticed Xander laughing until you pointed it out. My guess though is that it was Nicholas Brendon cracking up.LOL

Matt

The skeletal dustings started with The Wish. I think alternate universe Angel was the first to get it.

Bastion33

Fun reaction vid Darcie. Just wanted to let you know ahead of time to "NOT" watch the Opening Credits for episode one of "Angel" until after you've seen the whole episode. Assuming you'll be watching the spinoff (Which is just as good).

The Oracle Witch

YAS- we are here. We have arrived. Not one of my fave eps but some really good moments. The progression in cgi and fight scenes really make me happy. Tho you know im not an Angel and Buffy fan (Bangel)- I am an Angel fan. Buffy is funny as shit at times (her and show) but Angel (the character) becomes down right hysterically funny. We will laugh many times. Willow... Who wouldnt want to be a scooby? Like for real. I never wanted anyone to leave as a kid watching. Everyone STAY! 😂 but i was about 9 at this time watching. Buffy was (is) queen bee for me as a kid. I love faith but as a kid I was really angry that the brunnette was the bad one 😂 (me brunnette) when i watched bring it on, i was AGAIN yall make her the wrong side of tracks girl? But Eliza did us Brunnettes justice in Bring it on lol And we had Jessica alba on dark angel. Lol (different show) Im so ready for these next few weeks. 🖤 the last stretch of a season are always so exciting.

Jessica Roth

Okay, let's hit the weak points…of which this episode has precious few. :). They all have to do with Buffy/Angel. • As noted, it's pretty weird that, after "Enemies" made such a big deal of their needing a "break", that they're now *so* together again that Buffy complains they're in a rut. (The teaser and the tag are both weak because of this, IMO.) At the time, since "Earshot" hadn't aired, viewers assumed something big must have happened in that episode, but no. It's just a ham-handed "reset to previous save", presumably to get us ready for whatever changes the end of the season brings us. Whether it's B/A staying together but having separate adventures, or Buffy finally staking him and "Angel" being just a prequel series, or something in-between. • Speaking of ham-handed, the Mayor may get in some nice burns, but surely it's pointless for him to deconstruct Buffy and Angel's relationship if, as he himself notes, he's planning on killing them soon. He's not Angelus, he doesn't groove on causing emotional pain in his victims. Pointless. And of course it's absurd-beyond-absurd that Buffy and Angel take his "relationship counseling" seriously; not only is he evil and thus likely to be lying just for lying's sake, but Edna Mae's been dead for YEARS. As Buffy basically asks, how long has it been since Wilkins has even been in a relationship. I mean, taking romantic advice from Love Guru Spike was silly enough, but this is ridiculous. Who's next, Snyder? Plus, it goes on too long. We're here for a reason, and Buffy's love life isn't it. (Well, IMO Willow is the love of her life, but you know what I mean.). I can't help imagining Faith getting bored, slicing open Willow's throat and killing her, and then just claiming her hand was cramping. (I made that joke to a friend of mine, who got really offended. How little they know me; I'll kill *anyone* for a joke. On the forum I used to post on, there was a "corrupt-a-wish" thread: one poster would make a wish and the next, in the spirit of Anyanka [and Whedon] would give them what they wanted, in the worst way possible. I remember one time when I ended a scenario [can't say what, it involves spoilers] with Buffy turning into a monster, rampaging through town killing people, and Willow transferring out to Oxford, "taking Xander to be her butler, and they have wacky adventures involving scones". Still makes me smile; sorry, Buffy.) • Speaking of making me smile, the last "problem" I have with the episode is just another flub. When the lights go out, Angel says "I can see just fine." But when Wilkins and Faith (and Willow) enter, Angel is the *ONLY* character looking in the wrong direction. LOL. Just another for the "thank god Angel's pretty" pile, I suppose. (I mean, you can HEAR them come in, dude. Sigh.) But that's it. Everything else is pure gold, IMO.

John

I've always found this episode quite fun, particularly Willow being a badass and taking on Faith. Cannot wait for the final few episodes of this season!!

Jessica Roth

I pretty much always adore Wesley (like you, Darcie, I make the "W-for-Watchers-Council" finger-sign when he does), but he's clearly in the wrong here…for multiple reasons: 1. Buffy only got her information from a single source. Even journalism requires two. How does she know the vampire wasn't lying to her? Vamps do that, you know. 1B-1C. How does she know the Mayor told this flunky all the details? How does she know the flunky remembered everything correctly? Needing corroboration, guys. 2. Willow is a unique resource; to quote Buffy, "there aren't two of her in the world. (Well, except for three episodes ago, but that was another dimension and she's gone now. [Dust, in fact, but Buffy doesn't know that part.]). How does Buffy know the Mayor can't simply order a replacement Box from evilBay or wherever he got this one? I mean, the airport still works. The Mayor still has money. (Indeed, he has the exact same money, due to Faith's…unique negotiating skills. But again, Buffy doesn't know that part,). Be pretty stupid to let Willow die and then have the Mayor find a replacement Box next week. 3. Willow is useful to the team. She works the computer, she does research, she can cast spells. She may not be irreplaceable on any single task, but she has the widest skillset in the group. 4. Willow is key to keeping the group balanced. When Giles is being "Mr. Caution Man", she can get him to give Buffy necessary slack. When Xander is letting his emotions drive his actions, Willow can rein him in. And… 4B. …Willow is particularly necessary to Buffy's emotional health. It's very easy for Slayers to get burnt out and depressed. (I personally feel the primary reason for the Cruiciamentum is to give Slayers who are looking for an excuse to lay down on the job and die a way to do that without getting civilians hurt. "Oh, no! My powers are gone! I'm HELPLESS! Goodbye world!"). Willow is Buffy's primary connection to the world, her touchstone for humanity. As Buffy herself said in "The Wish", Willow and Xander are how she's able to deal with all of this without getting lost in it. "I need you guys". Case closed.

Jessica Roth

However, Wes is completely right that they rushed into this without enough planning. It was good of him to catch the "mystic safeguards" issue, but they still made multiple errors. And not merely because they should have done "synchronize your watches" before they left. • How do they not even think about a conventional alarm? Not only did Buffy apparently trip a pressure sensor, but there could have been a laser aimed at a receptor pad (and the moment you interrupt that contact, you trip the alarm) or there could even be a simple wire alarm attached. Or the skylight could have been alarmed, for that matter. • Maybe you actually PRACTICE with the winch so that the cable doesn't jam? I mean, Angel literally has all day to learn his equipment. Just saying. • Not only do they make the brilliant decision to send Willow (not quite a combat stud) unescorted down the side of the building (with vampires and Faith around), but she's also the first one UP the ladder, too. What if there had been guards on the roof? (A not-unreasonable possibility.). Next time, why don't we let the Slayer take the lead when heading into unfamiliar territory? Just a thought. I grant you, Buffy probably enjoyed getting a chance to check out Willow's butt. But there's a time and a place for that…and this is not it. Mind on the job, Buff.