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Season 5, Ep 8 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-10-21 16:03:42
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2023-07-01 15:22:23
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Buffy Season 5, Ep 8 - Shadow

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RNR

We start to see in this episode that Riley is still immature when it comes to love and relationships. He's pining for a "bawl your eyes out, everything is the end of the world" 16 year old kind of gaga love. Most people get that when they're 16 years old and experiencing a rush of love and sex hormones for the first time which heightens emotions of all kinds because a teenager hasn't learned how to regulate their hormones or emotions or their growing responsibilities as almost-adults. Add on to that Buffy's teen journey of ACTUALLY having the fate of the world on her shoulders (instead of all other teens who just FEEL that way) and Angel who also felt that weight through his own guilt and duty to protect her and yeah, makes sense to US that Bangel would be, in Dawn's words, "all EeeEee" But Buffy has moved past that reckless, futile kind of love/infatuation with chaos. She's already experienced that kind of love, and what it leads to, and is mature enough to know that's not what she needs in her life (as she said when she first found out Riley was part of the Initiative, that she wanted a nice, normal, stable, healthy relationship, not another grrr argh crazy kind of love that makes you bawl your eyes out and worry constantly about the possible death of your boyfriend). But now we're seeing that Riley maybe hasn't had that kind of love, and he's still emotionally immature enough to pine for that kind of crazy, stupid love. Dawn tell Riley that he doesn't make Buffy cry all the time like Angel did, and she doesn't get all worked up with him like their relationship is the end of the world. Instead of being proud that he can be a source of comfort for Buffy, we see that he's disappointed. He's projecting his view of love onto Buffy because he wants her to be out of her head mad insane in love with him where she cries on his shoulder and can't function without him. He even told Xander that the way he feels about Buffy is "like my whole body is on fire and I can't stand not to touch her." He wants her to be so madly in love with him, but Buffy is a strong, independent woman who needs a stable, emotionally secure boyfriend to just help her get through the mundane, everyday responsibilities of adulthood that are weighing her down (taking care of Dawn while she deals with her mother, or maybe not having her boyfriend's heart explode in exchange for temporary super-strength). Too bad for both of them 😔

Raven Dark

At the risk of having a bunch of people coming at me for making excuses for Riley (I'm not, I'm just explaining something Darcie was confused about), in my opinion, Riley took the fact that Buffy cried more with Angel as a bad thing because to him, it indicates that she's not letting Riley in. It indicates for him that she felt more comfortable opening up to Angel, and her emotions for Angel are stronger. I'm saying this based on what we've seen so far, since Riley's spoken to her about shutting him out before this episode. (Paraphrasing, because I can't recall the exact quote) "Every time I think I'm getting close to you... You got a lot going on, Buffy. You decide you wanna let me on any of it, you let me know." Plus his reaction to her telling Spike about her mother but not him. And I'm not entirely sure Riley's wrong. She does seem to be shutting him out, and Buffy's feelings for Angel do feel way more intense. And I'm not saying this because I'm a big Biley shipper who thinks Riley can do no wrong. I think him letting the vampire bite him was reprehensible and stupid on his part, not to mention incredibly reckless. I don't really do the whole shipping thing with characters in shows. The relationships are just part of the story for me. Moreover, I'm actually completely indifferent to Riley, neither liking, nor disliking him. I don't think Riley took Dawn to the ride so she could go on it. I think they happened to sit on the bench by it because she was thinking about the time she had with her mother and Buffy while on one. As indicated by the memory she told Riley about.

Raven Dark

Oh, I wanted to add a few things, but I didn't want to put them in the above comment because Patreon tends to eat comments if you try to edit them. Having watched the ending scene with Riley again, I want to make something clear. I'm not suggesting that it's not okay that Buffy couldn't cry on his shoulder or that she left to go back to her family. Her reaction is normal. She's trying to be strong for Dawn and Mom. When I say that it does seem like Buffy's shutting Riley out, I'm talking in a more general sense, and I'm referring to behavior that started before her mother showed any symptoms that anything was wrong. Also, other big types of snakes you might be thinking of, Darcie, are anacondas, boa constrictors, and pythons. All are very large.

shellibelle77

"Don't make it about you." Exactly my thought on Riley right there. I may have said, "RIGHT?" out loud to the screen.

Calvin Allen

You have some of Glory's energy. In a nice fun way of course

Andrew Pulrang

When you think about it, what this show — the writers and Kristine Sutherland accomplished with the Joyce character is remarkable. In seasons 1 & 2 she was nice but kind of irritating. And her initial reaction to finding out about Buffy being the Slayer wasn’t great. But since then and Buffy’s return home Joyce has become a much better character in almost every way. So we all feel for her right now, when earlier on it was much harder to connect with her. And all this with a fairly minor character with relatively little time to develop onscreen.

Silence_giraffe

Not Darcie uploading her reaction to ‘I only have eyes for you’ on YouTube today and saying she’s done with snakes only for today’s episode to feature more snakes! Beautiful timing👩‍🍳💋

Sarah

I know they dropped her name this episode but I really hope you continue to call our queen Ms Beauty because I like that name for her. I don’t hate Riley. I don’t remember what episode it was where he said that he knew Buffy didn’t love him, but I feel just their relationship should have been over sooner. I think the writers don’t know what to do with him.

Richard Lucas

Darcie, I think you and Buffy got something wrong this episode. The doc specifically said, IF we can’t operate, THEN she has almost a 1 in 3 chance. But unless they catch something very late, they can usually operate. And she went to the doc as soon as she had her first faint, instead of blowing it off as just being tired. If operable, I’d say she has a 90-95%+ chance, and probably a 90%+ chance of it being operable, but he didn’t know that for sure so he didn’t want to say. He may be a great surgeon, but he’s a bad doctor for leaving her with that 1 in 3 impression.