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Season 5, Ep 10 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-10-28 14:43:54
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2023-07-01 15:21:01
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so about that breakup episode prediction....🙈

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Buffy Season 5, Ep 10 - Into The Woods

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Comments

Samanthadiane

Not me coming in 8 months late to say, Xander is such a lying jerkface!! Nobody told him?! Are you kidding?! Riley straight up told him episodes ago!! I literally can not stand Xander a good portion of the time and this speech ranks top tier. Dang, I was really trying to catch up before I joined the conversations, and now to have my first one be so negative. lol. But I just can't with Xander here!

RNR

Yooo Buffy was ALWAYS there for Riley. She semi-joined the Initiative and basically ditched her Scoobies for a short time so she could spend more time with him. She nursed him back to health after he got off the Initiatives drugs and went crazy, almost killing an old lady. She practically FORCED him to go to the hospital to take care of his heart condition, even though they were fighting about whether or not he felt like he could "touch her" and whether she would want to be with him if he didn't have super powers. She reassured him again and again that she was right there, that she was completely "touchable." That she was his. Xander saying that Buffy treated Riley as "convenient" is so out of line. When he was being held hostage by the Initiative, she even came up with this whole plan to storm into the army base and rescue him (and then he popped up behind her saying "am I really worth all that?"). And in this episode she even said to Riley almost exactly what he said to Xander about how he felt. Riley told Xander "When I'm with her, half of me feels like I'm on fire, like I can't stand to not touch her. The other half of me feels completely calm, like there's nothing else going on in the world." And in this episode, Buffy says almost exactly the same thing to him, that she felt "completely relaxed...like all the tension has left my body" now that Riley was there with her and her mom was being taken care of and Dawn was out of the house with Xanya. The fact is, Riley doesn't have anything going on in his life besides Buffy. He doesn't have any responsibilities besides being her boyfriend and helping her fight monsters. Buffy on the other hand, has the fate of the world, and her friends, and her mom, and her sister, all on her shoulders. And not by choice, either. She can't just shrug those responsibilities off on someone else (though she does sometimes delegate things like patrolling to the Scoobies AND Riley while she deals with things no one else can, like HER MOTHER DYING). Riley was all pouty about the fact that Buffy hadn't been weeping on his shoulder while she was taking care of her mother, even though she specifically said "I can't do that right now, I need to stay strong for them." Of course Joyce wouldn't want Riley in the hospital room with her while she was unshowered and sick and thinking she might die. She needed family time. The time for Riley to be there for Buffy would have been when Joyce came home and Buffy had all those medications to deal with and staying up all night to keep an eye on her mom. Riley should have been there in the house THEN, helping Buffy do the dishes, helping her keep it together, and being there for her when she was ready to fall apart. But instead, while Buffy was breaking down over the dishes, he was out getting sucked off by a vampire. When he finally DID show up for Buffy, in a moment when she didn't need to be putting on a brave face for Joyce and Dawn, she DID become emotionally vulnerable, telling him how she had completely broken down and "cried so hard I didn't think I could stop. But that's all in the past now. Mom's out of the woods and I'm here with you. That's all that matters." Now that she doesn't need to keep up a brave face and take care of her mom, she is ready to be vulnerable with him. But Riley is still holding on to this notion that HE should be the one to take care of HER and her problems and her emotions. The fact that Buffy wanted to stay strong for her family and be weak for him afterwards instead of breaking down in the middle of a crisis so that Riley could take the wheel is just....ugh. Just blech. She was there for him, and he was the one who was constantly pulling away and not there for her if it didn't make him feel like the big strong man.

Cecelia M

Super late to this, and so you probably won't see any of these comments, lol. But I love what you said about understanding Riley's feelings but not agreeing with the actions. I completely agree, I think that Riley tended toward anxious attachment and Buffy was emotionally unavailable in that relationship without ever realizing she'd been checked out. But Riley never tells her, he never gives her the opportunity to try to meet his needs, he just swallows them until they blow up and he ends up cheating with vampire prostitutes in a crack den, lol... Personally, I don't really think Buffy could have met his needs. The problem was she didn't love him and I don't think she could have made herself love him. But who knows what kind of relationship they could have had if Riley had just communicated earlier about what he needed and how he was feeling.

Bud Haven

Buffy was right, their relationship was doomed from the start. Buffy just isn't Riley's type. A big hint came before they were dating. When Buffy asked, "So you think boys can take care of themselves but girls need help?" Riley,"Yes." "You've been treating Riley like he's the rebound guy. When he's the one who comes along once in a lifetime." Someone has an opinion as to how Buffy's been treating Riley and what he should mean to her. Please. He shoved her into going after him imo. And If she had caught him and asked him to stay? They just would have put it off anyway. They aren't compatible. Like Buffy said, "This is the package." She doesn't have what he needs.

Cas Harris

Xander's speech pisses me off so much every single time I watch this episode

Madam Satsuma

Don't know if anyone here is into Passion of the Nerd, but he's got a great in depth analysis about this episode and how so much of it is out of character for Buffy. There may be spoilers in it though? So maybe don't go there if you haven't seen the whole series.

madfem

Darcie, are you wearing... beige?? 😃

shellibelle77

Bye, dude! Don't let the door hit you where the Lord split you!

Svetlana Grabar

I agree, you said it so well! I understand Riley's feelings but the actions/ultimatum was super disrespectful. I also agree with the gist of what Xander is saying, "Swallow your pride if you actually care about the relationship." It came off as him blaming her though, especially since he never took interest in their relationship before. Riley messed up so bad and never truly apologized. That's what pisses me off the most. Also as an aside! In the hyena episode, you picked a random episode and mentioned that maybe you'll like Xander in season 5 episode 11. We're finally there lol. So do you like Xander after 5 seasons? :D

Shaun Houghton

As an Australian, I laugh at your puny spiders, however they are spiders, never trust them completely. There may be a truce but never a deal with spiders.

Erin

I've never been able to get behind the Buffy-Riley relationship no matter how many times I rewatch, but I've always liked this episode for the moments. The group vamp fight, the drama moments, all good. BUT this episode also has one of my FAVORITE music moments in the series. When Buffy chooses to chase down Riley (not my fav choice), and the music picks up and leads to the scene of her running is just UGH it's so good! I think it's the only time in the series that score is played, and I get chills every time!

Scott Margeson

Had Riley not been so power-hungry in his relationship with Buffy, I do think he and Buffy could have been solid. But he had that toxic male energy of needing to be the MAN in the relationship. Also... Xander coming in CLUTCH with his epic speeches with both Buffy & Anya. We love to see it.

Sarah

Some people handle breakups differently. Some girls change their hair, some boys rejoin the military and leave for a foreign country with a hostile war zone. Tbh I liked Buffy and Riley when it first started. I feel like I’ve said this before on here but when Riley told Xander that he knew Buffy didn’t love him, it should’ve been over then. It makes the relationship uneven at its core, then you add everything else and it just becomes a mess. Riley is a good person and being in that kind of relationship can be psychologically damaging. I feel like Riley gets a lot for their relationship because “oooh he’s a toxic male,” but no one wants to talk about how Buffy acted in the relationship. There’s some Riley/Buffy scenes that hard for me to watch, it just feels she took his dependability and kindness for granted. The Riley/Buffy sex scenes are the worst cus I just feel like she’s using him for sex. Buffy was hurt badly by Angel and then by that poop head that must not be named and I feel one some level she wanted someone to date that she could hurt. And she did, she knew Riley would always be around. I can’t remember what episode it was but Riley and Buffy were kissing before she stops and says something like “I’m glad we worked things out,” only for Riley to respond “we haven’t anything.” Buffy’s communication throughout the relationship was just as bad if not worse than Riley’s. I think the argument this episode was less about an ultimatum and more about Riley wanting to hear the truth from her. He knew she didn’t love him and he wanted to hear it. I think part of the reason I feel for Riley is because I’ve been in toxic and abusive relationships before so I understand what Riley went and how he got to that vamp nest. I’m just glad the relationship is over, I just wished it happened sooner.