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Study 111 - The Summer People (Patreon)

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2024-11-08 03:05:58
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We're still here! Join us for a discussion of Shirley Jackson's The Summer People.

Special thanks to our reader, Madeleine O'Keefe!

Next up: The Birds!

(SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE-POST - PATREON HAS RECENTLY DIFFERENTIATED AUDIO POSTS FROM PODCAST POSTS AND WE'RE STILL FIGURING OUT THE DIFFERENCE!)

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Daniel Restione

Jackson was the master of this complex situation that reeks of unease and tension. Her isolation in rural New England informs much of her work and this story is a perfect reflection of her issues. And having been a rural townie (on Martha’s Vineyard) I know Exactly how this folks feel- well, maybe not the murder part! Great choice boys!

Aaron La Vene

The episode so good Patreon decided we should listen to it twice

Eldritch Scerry

“…It mimics active listening.” Chris just lit that fuse and walked away as it exploded behind him. Fantastic.

Jeremy Impson

"people just don't want to work anymore"

Tam

As a rural denizen myself, I fully feel the annoyance of the towns people in this story. In my area it isn't summer, but hunting season that draws the city people out. The ones who own their land and cabins aren't so bad, they are polite, tidy, and attempt to integrate themselves into the community in a healthy way. The leasing agents and sub leasers are another story, they are often rude, leave lots of litter, and treat the country side as their own personal playground with little regard for the people who actually live here. They seem to expect that because they leased the land, everyone who lives here permanently is leased as well, and exists only to clean up after them and provide for them during their stay. My parents, who also live in the area, will have nothing to do with most of the seasonal folks, but the ones who are polite get their grass mowed for free and their property tended to when they are out of town, only in exchange for access to the river which lies across their property from my parents place. It doesn't matter where you go, a little kindness and consideration will get you a lot farther than selfish disregard.

The Lonely Sand Person

The letter from their son reminded me so much of the song "Cat's in the Cradle".

The Lonely Sand Person

On the subject of "overstaying their welcome" stories, I once hosted a younger relative at my house during a holiday, which was fine, but the weather turned bad on the day on their departure so they stayed an extra night until it cleared up. And while that was fine, I had to gently explain to my relative that while I'd taken the previous week off, come Monday I had to work and I couldn't just prioritize entertaining him all day. Fortunately I can work from home!

Jeffrey Kahrs

please do We Have Always Lived in the Castle

Our old pal Brendan Gardiner

I love love love the information about why you don’t wear white after Labor Day. So many things we just offhandedly hold to without knowing why. Related to the filthy city thing, Chicago in the 19th century was known as a two-shirt town, owing to the fact that a businessman would have to change his shirt after having been out of the office for lunch. Probably true of most towns with so much coal dust and other things choking the air. Not really related at all, but funny to me, is that the father of a good friend of mine worked for the gas company in the 1960s here in Chicago and had such heavy beard growth that he had to shave every day at lunchtime - after just having shaved in the morning - or else be out of compliance with their no beard policy. So he had a two-shave job in a formerly two-shirt town.

Patrick W

Reminded me of why I hate “okay boomer” or “lazy millennials” (and to a lesser extent “Karen”. We all were, are, or will be “those people”, I don’t believe people deserve unfettered forgiveness…. But a few more minutes of grace is better than holding that low boil hatred.

NoSignal

Haha, 'rural horror' is difficult to say and has a nice eerie ring to it. If it isn't a genre already, I think it should become some just to hear people try to put it in educated sentences.

Moonflight Dancer

Jackson's persistent meditations on the hostilities of rural existence make for an interesting contrast to Bradbury's nostalgic tales of small town America. Now, Bradbury obviously can be just as vindictive in his depiction of those settings ("The Town Where No One Got Off" is a deliberate subversion of the city slicker pretension that Jackson is railing against in this story). But Bradbury's work always errs closer to Romanticism, whereas Jackson's work is nightmarishly naturalistic. Also "Mr. Walpole"? Likely a reference to Horace Walpole the great grandfather of Gothic literature who's work "The Castle of Otranto" is in part about an old count and his wife facing sterility and irrelevancy.