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Study 116 - Little Red Riding Hood (Patreon)

Published:
2024-12-19 15:00:05
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2025-02-06 17:41:11
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Fairy tale month continues with Little Red Riding Hood by Charles Perrault, as well as its variation Little Red Cap by The Brothers Grimm!

Special thanks to reader Rachel Lackey!

For a deeper dive, check out The True History of Little Red Riding Hood from Fairy Tales with Jen.

That Serge Gainsbourg reference.

Here's that Little Red Riding Hood record Fifer was reminiscing about, and that Spider-Man record Lackey referenced.

That Peter Stumpp reference.

This episode features arrangements of Carnival of the Animals: VII. Aquarium by Camille Saint-Saëns as well as Prelude No. 22 of Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues, Opus 87.

Outro music: Snaketoker featuring guitar by Lyle Erickson.

Next up: bonus content on the Neil Jordan film The Company of Wolves (and the Angela Carter story on which it's based)!

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Ben Gilbert

In the Company of Wolves was made into a movie by Neil Jordan. Angela Lansbury warns her granddaughter about wolves a recounts the Little Red Riding Hood story among others. And she warns her granddaughter that some wolves are hairy on the inside.

Jeremy Impson

The little red riding hood record was written by George C. Peed.

Daniel Restione

Too bad they didn’t have Chris’ bizarre appeasement version in Cloud City. Lando might have learned something about “deals” before Darth wolfed him!

Nathaniel Lekki

Ahh yes. Another Man Wolf reference that ISN'T the Erckmann-Chatrian thing. I guess this will just keep tantalizing me until the end of time

Falconhoof

The link between werewolves and sexuality gives me a good excuse to recommend one of my favourite bands. If you've never heard the song 'Wolf Like Me' by TV on the Radio, then go and give it a listen now. It's a total banger and touches on all the same themes. On a different note, It made me laugh how Perrault just explicitly spelled out the moral of the story at the end, in case the audience was too stupid to get the metaphor. It would be like if James Cameron appeared over the end credits of Avatar, to tell everybody that the film was an allegory about the exploitation of native Americans

ESTY

The huntsman takes the wolf’s skin at the end of the first part, so it is likely the huntsman who becomes the wolf of the second part. Reinforcing the warning that even the virtuous man can be taken over by his baser instincts… and get drowned in hotdog water. Hotdog water is the silent killer, be careful out there.

Sundance

Great episode as always! I had a thought/suggestion. Mythology was brought up in this episode. I’d love to hear an episode about you two talking about mythology! Your backstory with them, your love/hate relationship with it ect. At the age of 9 I was gifted a Constellation book and it was outlined with the stories behind them. That’s what got me into Greek Mytholog, soon after Norse and so on! If college wasn’t so damn expensive I would have went to school studying and teaching mythology. To this day Greek mythology holds a special place in my heart. Happy Yule to all!

Gideon Falcon

Ironically, the classic "Stranger Danger" warning of this tale is more of a hindrance than a help, unless you're on the internet. The kinds of predators it was intended to warn against, as it turns out, are very rarely actually strangers. On the flip side, if a child is in trouble, talking to strangers is actually a pretty good plan; think about it, how many random people off the street are going to turn out to be predators? Most of them are going to want to help the kid just on instinct. The "Stranger Danger" philosophy, though, tells you that if somebody you trust is hurting you, you can't rely on ANYONE else

Ethan Cordray

When you mentioned that the Huntsman might have grabbed up some sewing scissors to cut open the wolf -- he'd better hope not! Granny's gonna be pissed if he used them for anything that isn't fabric!! You don't *ever* mess with a granny's sewing scissors.

BaeOfPigs

Only tangentially related to the story, but Rotkäppchen is also the name of a sparkling wine sold in Germany Not enough of a wine expert to say whether it constitutes a “good” wine or not, but it’s cheap, tasty, and drinkable. So it gets two thumbs up from me!

Jim Cannon

I think Red Riding Hood qualifies as a werewolf story, very definitely, even before you get to Angela Carter or Neil Jordan (very much looking forward to that, btw!). No mention of the Tex Avery cartoon, "Red Hot Riding Hood"? Avery put the subtext back into the text with that one.

REO Jackwagon

Sound design is great on this one, and Rachel is off the hook!

Eldritch Golem (JPM)

In your discussion of Little Red Riding Hood variants, Chris briefly mentions a French version where Red does a striptease for the wolf and then barely escapes by saying she needs to go outside and use the bathroom. This is "The Story of Grandmother," as translated by Maria Tatar (Prof. of Folklore and Mythology at Harvard University), first collected by Louis and Francois Briffault in 1885. Though coming after Perrault and the Grimm Bros had committed their versions to paper it is generally considered by scholars to the oldest known variant. In addition to this version's striptease and scatological escape tactics it also contains another element that you didn't highlight: cannibalism! "[When] the wolf arrived at granny’s, [he] killed her, put some of her flesh in the pantry and a bottle of her blood on the shelf. The little girl got there and knocked at the door [...] 'Hello, granny. I’m bringing you a loaf of hot bread and a bottle of milk.' 'Put it in the pantry, my child. Take some of the meat in there along with the bottle of wine on the shelf.' There was a little cat in the room who watched her eat and said: 'Phooey! You’re a slut if you eat the flesh and drink the blood of granny.'" (Tatar, The Classic Fairytales [1999], p. 10) Personally the random slut-shaming cat is my favorite part of this version. As for the question of if Little Red Riding Hood is a werewolf story, I tend to think of it as "werewolf adjacent" to borrow a phrase from scholar Daniel Ogden who mentions the story in his The Werewolf in the Ancient World (2021) arguing that some of its motifs can be found in Apuleius' Metamorphoses (aka The Golden Ass) in its tales of shape-shifting Thessalian witches.

Clyde Duensing III

Can't wait for the Company of Wolves bonus. I love that movie.

Kip Barnes

Great episode guys! The alternate version of the story where the wolf is cut open and filled with rocks is pretty similar to the other Grimm story “The Wolf and the seven Young Kids.” This story has a little bit of a three little pigs setup where the wolf is trying to trick the kids (goats) into letting him in the house so he can eat them. He eventually outsmarts them, gets in, and gobbles them up, except one. When the mom comes home she learns the wolf has eaten them and the remaining kid tells her what happened. They get scissors, a needle, and thread and then find the wolf sleeping under a tree. They cut the wolf open, save the kids, fill the wolf’s belly up with stones and then sew him back up. (I think in this story, the mom is an anesthesiologist). The wolf wakes up and is thirsty, because of the rocks, so he looks for the local well to quench his thirst. He then falls in and drowns. I’m going through this Grimm collection that Chad recommended. So many of the stories share elements. They also end so abruptly. Have you guys read Faithful Johannes? I read this one to my 8 year old not realizing how it would end - uh oh. Not quite Juniper Tree, but still disturbing.

Allison Albright

I saw the wolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect.

Cole Caron

My favorite rendition of these characters is from “Into the Woods.” Turns out the easiest way to bring the subtext out in a stage adaption is to give the wolf costume a visible penis.

MonsterTalk

I was not clear - was this story sexual or not? Just tell us - we're all adults here.

Anne Ominous

Got 'em with the ol sausage water trick, eh? RIP Grayhead. Never forget

Steve

I was a courtier at the court of Mother Goose in pantomime in 1975. I danced the minuet. I don't remember seeing Chris there.

Steve

There's also the great movie The Company of Wolves with Angela Lansbury as granny. But I find it a bit difficult to believe that these stories are aimed at children. I never remember once learning any kind of lesson as a child from any moralistic tale.

Long time hater

On sexualized interpretations, I can't help but see this as more of a vampire story of seduction and corruption. If folk are up for a darker and quirkier interpretation, i recommend David Kaplan's 12min effort staring Christina Ricci from 1997. There's an interplay of power and some nasty and creepy stuff that I won't spoil; let's just say, the moral appears to be 'you're right to stop your daughter hanging out with the older, smoking hot goth guy'

Our old pal Brendan Gardiner

On falling for cartoon characters, I can relate to Dickens and his statement that Red Riding Hood was his first love. One of my earliest memories of my father is being asked by him about what kind of girl I’d like to marry and my trying to describe her. It was the glamorous girl cat from Tom and Jerry, the object of Tom’s love in the short where he and an alley cat are competing for her attention. I used words like “pretty” and “beautiful” but never mentioned that she was an animated cat, probably because I didn’t think it was relevant at that age. I just knew that she was really beautiful, and I wanted to marry her.

Richard Upton Sinclair Lewis Pickman

I am a little giddy after skimming through the comments and realizing no one has mentioned the Oliver Stone-produced, Reese Witherspoon and Kiefer Sutherland-starring, gritty 90’s re-imagining, called Freeway. It is worth locating to watch it, if only to witness the things this script makes Reese Witherspoon say. I don’t even want to say anything else.

Michael P Hamilton

Sorry to bring up old stuff from years ago...I'm very committed to making Chad a werewolf. He mentioned years ago that he didn't know where someone could get a wolf belt. I work with leather. I have the ability and materials to make Chad a werewolf. I just need measurements and I'm not getting responses.