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Extra Credit 042 - Beauty and the Beast Movies (Patreon)

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2025-12-25 20:00:09
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Join us as we discuss La Belle et la Bête, the Jean Cocteau adaptation of Beauty and the Beast from 1946! We also have our swipes at the Disney film, the recent French remake and the TV procedural among many, many other adaptations.

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Mark Simmons

That was fun! I'm racking my brains for examples of a gender-flipped version, but for some reason the closest I can think of are stories where the woman is a beauty at first sight, but a beast under the skin. When the curse is broken in these kinds of stories, it's because the suitor can accept his sweetheart's true nature, tentacles and all. I'm thinking of movies like "Spring" (2014) and "Lo" (2009), and the "Hunger" TV episode "Week Woman."

Jamie Allinson

This point reminded me of the programme ‘Ugly Betty’ which featured the very beautiful America Ferrera as the eponymous Betty and being uglified by ….wearing braces and a pair of slightly unflattering glasses.

Forrest Rush

Not exactly a gender flipped version as you mean but I would offer the old Arthurian/folkloric tale of the Loathly Lady (best known in Chaucer’s Wife of Bath’s Tale or the “Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnell” version). The woman appears as a hag by day and beautiful at night, and Gawain is given a choice about which form she should take — the twist being that once he gives her the choice, she becomes her beautiful self in both forms. It’s one of the few older stories where the power imbalance reverses, and the question isn’t can the man learn to love her? but can he accept her autonomy?

Gideon Falcon

The director asking the audience to practice child-like faith reminds me a lot of the original play of Peter Pan (at least, as depicted according to the movie Finding Neverland, so I can't vouch for its accuracy); the director had several seats for the first showing reserved, but all scattered throughout the audience, which were filled with children. When the play started, and the children openly enjoyed the humor, it broke the ice for the austere, Victorian British adults, allowing them to find their own enjoyment fo what they would otherwise scoff at.

Jim Cannon

I thought the curse was broken because Gawain told her to choose?

Jim Cannon

I think this IS one of the best Disney films (my personal favorite is The Jungle Book) and like all right thinking people think the same as you about the "live action" remakes. I have never seen the Cocteau version but you have me curious. Was not expecting the Grease ending, to be sure.

Jason Thompson

Thanks for another year of your awesome show! I propose you do an extra credit episode on the movie “Together.” Not because it is relevant to the podcast in any way besides being horror, but just because I’m curious what you think of it.

Tara Murphy

Merry Christmas, gentlemen! Thank you for another great year. You skirted around the rabbit hole that is the monsterf*cker subculture (which has gotten pretty mainstream nowadays, to be fair). I figure it is because Chris's boys listen, because I find it hard to believe that you guys didn't come up against it in your research. I think there are some gender-swapped versions in that genre, but male monsters do way outnumber the female ones. Sometimes you see men fall for pretty monstrous mermaids sometimes, in film and tv. It doesn't work out for them, in the ones I have seen. In the two I can think of, the mermaids are trapped, but not as helpless as the men seem to believe. Guillermo del Toro loves making versions of the Beauty and the Beast tale.

Richard Horsman

If y’all ever dip into the Greeks, Cocteau also made a fantastic take on the Orpheus and Eurydice myth.

Rick Hound

Ok we’re adding Chad being infatuated with the sexy animated tea pot to the long running jokes of the podcast.

Richard Upton Sinclair Lewis Pickman

Ron Pearlman was on Joe Vulpis’s podcast and talked about how much he loved the Vincent character in the Beauty and the Beast TV show. Said he couldn’t pick between Hellboy and Vincent as far as favorite character he’s played!

Richard Upton Sinclair Lewis Pickman

I saw the Cocteau adaptation in school, introduced by an artsy friend, and was really taken. I had already experienced a fair amount of silent film, and probably a bit more silent comedians by way of old Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin movies, so the visual storytelling aspects didn't deter me or challenge me in terms of pacing. It is sooo very visual. It's eerie, mystical, really striking, and just a little bit terrifying. There's something reeeally uncomfortable about disembodied arms coming out of the walls and holding candelabras. That itself opens a lot of possibilities for this world you and le Belle are entering. I'm guessing Jerry Orbach didn't exactly use this as inspiration for Lumiere. But there is definitely a liminality to this place, the material and fantastic merging all around the magic permeating this cursed place of exile.

Mooncubus

My favorite version of Beauty and the Beast was in the show Once Upon A Time. The Beast in that is actually Rumpelstiltskin and he absolutely steals the show. The love story between him and Belle was what I kept coming back for. Unfortunately it kinda fizzled out in the later seasons. I hope a big scary monster girl will come and rescue me from this cave.