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Study 015 - A Night in the Lonesome October - Part 3 (Patreon)

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2022-10-21 01:22:23
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The Monsterverse will never be the same! Join us for the third edition of A Night in the Lonesome October by Roger Zelazny!

Special thanks to our reader: Jason Rainbird!

TRANSYLVANIA KISSES, the new Pitch Black Manor EP, is available for pre-order now! GRAB IT UP before it releases next week!

And oh - did we mention our Merch Shop is live?

Next week: Part 4 - THE FINAL OCTOBER!

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Jeppe Mulich

That track slapped! You should invite the musical guest on more often.

CarcharodonMegs

Thanks for the listen this morning! When you both explained adding video episodes to certain tiers and the follow-up comment of "we're f*cking cute', I cackled and then when you announced the monster squad I gasped and laughed again with the nards quote bc that's a mainstay quote in my world. It was a cacophony of sounds from me while getting ready for work. THAT track WAS slapping. Thanks y'all!!

a Little Bird

Hi guys! I’m loving these stories as they come out— i made a little happy noise aloud involuntarily in front of silently sitting family members when i saw this in my feed, and that’s not terribly uncommon 😂 i wanted to suggest something slightly off topic. Some background: I’ve listened to every show and bonus show of HPLP and now Strange Studies at least 3 times each now (not exaggerating, I’m a total addict for your content). I know you all have been doing comment shows for a while, but I noticed that the first comment show was a few years after the podcast started. There are a few episodes where I’ve been super curious about the audience response and your interpretation of the unexplained weirdnesses of stories after reading those comments on shows for stories you found particularly inexplicable. The one I have in mind is episode 380 or so, the very strange story “A Recluse” which you covered *just* before your first ever comment show. This story, though you covered it, never got a comment show regarding it, but I want more of your thoughts on that strange story that you and we never quite settled on an interpretation of! So here is my ask; would you consider doing a future comment show or two playing “catch up” on a few stories you covered pre-comment-show, like A Recluse, and any others you or the audience find unsettled narratively or interpretively? Tldr; a couple comment shows covering stories from before your first ever comment show would be neat ❤️

It's a Ghost.

I was surprised and confused for a moment when Snuff said that they had planned on just releasing the Things in the end “should [they] have to exit pursued by Furies.” I was surprised because I thought that seemed kind of irresponsible to just release the Things out in the open for someone else to deal with, and I was confused for a moment because I had at first read Furies as Furries.

Jason of the K

I wonder if this story inspired "The Cabin in the Woods" film where (spoilers) the government conspires to trap "openers" and force unsuspecting "closers" into a rigged contest to appease the GOOs with a faux ritual.

Professor Murder

I was so very pleased to not only hear my name called out but for you to successfully guess the reference.

Adequately Excellent Entertainment

An important point is that Snuff could have killed the Vicar but does not… which, to me, means that Snuff may have the same inkling I do. Which is that the Vicar isn’t the real player here, it’s the niece who isn’t really a captive, but controlling her Uncle to throw everybody off and THAT’S what is mucking with Snuff’s calculations. Now I need to go buy a copy of this and read ahead. I promise not to delete this comment if I’m wrong.

Ben Gilbert

Looking forward to your Monster Squad episode. No one remembers the other monster rally from the 80s, the TV movie The Halloween That Almost Wasn't with Judd Hirsch as Dracula. My favorite bit is Dracula on the dance floor in a white suit like John Travolta. It's on YouTube.

Jim Cannon

I remember really enjoying the Dreamlands visit. Its a bit of a deep cut, I think. Everyone knows Cthulhu and Deep Ones, and whenever someone uses the term "Lovecraftian" they are referring to the elder unnameable things, but the cats and the faux-Dunsany nonsense is just as Lovecraftian, if not moreso. I was tickled, at least, but I'm betting I have a much higher tolerance for Dreamquest goofiness than most.

Ben A

I’m greatly enjoying your coverage of Zelazny’s last book, and I’ll have more thoughts to add next week at the conclusion. But, I thought I’d note that though Zelazny didn’t get around to writing A Night in the Lonesome October until 1991, he had it planned in the late 70s. He didn’t write it then because Gahan Wilson (yep, he’s back again!) wasn’t available to illustrate. Zelazny abandoned the project and didn’t resurrect it until around 1990, and managed to get Wilson involved then. I bring this up since the book followed Monster Squad, but the backbone of the plot predates that movie. Not to say there aren’t some similarities, but I think it’s more the monster mash up of established Universal monsters and well trodden tropes that were the sources of likenesses. Speaking of Monster Squad, I would love to see this book turned into a film or limited series, but it’s so esoteric (can you imagine the Dreamlands sequence alone?) that it would be hard to translate. Then again, I said the same about Lord of the Rings and The Sandman, and was pleasantly surprised by both of those.

Ben A

Also, I can add some illumination about who Jack is, at least if you want to take “word of God” from Zelazny himself. He wrote an essay entitled “‘When It Comes It's Wonderful’: Art Versus Craft in Writing”, which I think came about shortly after publishing Lonesome October but I read in The Road to Amber, which was published in the late aughts. In the essay he was commenting about his muse and motivation to write & take risks, including advice from his muse to “take a chance, write the story from a dog’s viewpoint and make Jack the Ripper a somewhat sympathetic guy.” So, Zelazny intended Jack to indeed be Jack the Ripper. Which makes sense at the end (well, in the whimsical universe of Lonesome October) when you realize (a la Friday the 13th The Series) he can be possessed by a cursed knife. But I love the ideas for him to be other Jacks.

Thomas Paynter

Your mention of Spring-heeled Jack requires, requires I tell you, that I disclose the following uncanny connection: The man most suspected of being Spring-heeled Jack was the 3rd Marquess of Waterford (a man so notorious for his hijinks that the phrase "paint the town red" originated with him). The Marquess's given name was Henry... de la Poer! De la Poer of course was the name of the accursed family of cannibals in The Rats in the Walls. As far as I know, until now I am the only person aware of this connection between Spring-Heeled Jack and the Lovecraft Mythos. (I have been avoiding assassination attempts by sinister sailors with poison needles for years now.) I've always thought there's great potential for a story linking the two. Why would a de la Poer be creeping around London clawing and scaring people and jumping over walls? But I haven't gotten around to writing it; maybe one of your listeners will be inspired.

BeetleBro

I know you guys mentioned the idea that Jack is actually Springheel but could he be Stingy Jack, the namesake of the Jack O Lantern and Irish folk character known for out witting the Devil multiple times? It fits his role in the story and the Halloween theme of the whole thing, plus Stingy Jack is cursed to roam the mortal realm after having been disallowed from both heaven AND hell (and gifted some hell fire in a carved turnip/gourd to loght his path). Also I desperately want a battle of the Jacks between Springheel, Ripper, and Stingy.

Whitney Trepel

I love Night in Lonesome October and frequently do an October reading, so hearing it on the podcast is an extra special bonus. I don't think that anyone has posted a link to Christopher S. Kovacs' excellent article on the origins of the characters, appropriately enough on the Lovecraft ezine website: https://lovecraftzine.com/magazine/issues/2012-2/issue-18-october-2012/fallen-books-and-other-subtle-clues-in-zelaznys-a-night-in-the-lonesome-october-by-dr-christopher-s-kovacs/. I thought of this article after your discussion of the vivisection scene (which I usually skip over). Kovac's entry on Snuff himself sheds more light on the inclusion of this horrific scene in the book.

Jason Denen

Now I really want to see Schwarzenegger's Dracula. I guess I'll have to borrow it from a better timeline.

Aidan McSweeney

Hey Chris and Chad (and everyone reading this comment), you should check out the Guillermo Del Toro show “Cabinet of Curiosities” on Netflix. There’s an episode called “Graveyard Rats” which is assumedly based on “The Graveyard Rats” by Henry Kuttner which you covered on episode 435 of Hppodcraft! Pretty fun show which as from what I remember is a pretty fair adaptation. Inshallah👍

Aidan McSweeney

*my comment has nothing to do with the episode and someone very may well have said this already

Aidan McSweeney

*just kidding about the faithful adaptation thing is wild with a bunch of Lovecraftian allusions, sh*t!

Aidan McSweeney

*dreams in the witch house is also apparently coming soon

Aidan McSweeney

*jk dreams and pickman’s model are both out😭 (sorry for the stream of consciousness)

Background Noise Comic

Mick was great! My mom saw “The Tingler” in the theater when it came out, with the seat buzzing gimmick.