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D&D Court: Bonus Cases - The Great Croissant Debate (Patreon)

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2026-01-09 22:17:22
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Dungeon Court is still in session! Join Justices Murphy, Tanner and Axford, along with Bailiff Jake, as they pass judgement on your trials at the table!

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Sound Mixing and Editing by Trevor Lyon

Dungeon Court Theme Song by Sam Weiller

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Anthony Drake

The Two Crew is eating good this weekend! 🙂‍↕️

Stef

LET JAKE TOUT!

CommodoreBlue

A one-winged black dragon….so Toothless from How to Train Your Dragon?

Syf Sloane

Basketball of cork = a people

Courtney F.

*sees title* Oh, this gon be good 😂

Pyt

I love Murphs shitty GM characters

Xanian Jamfalcon

Death-on-the-table Murph should be the DM next. Extremely hostile short campaign is what the doctor ordered.

SlainSigny

Death on the table murph is how i imagine pre-moonshine pendergreens would run a game

Robert Z.

really excited for the dark souls halloweentown mixed bag campaign

Hemingwhyy

Murphs GM voice absolutely destroyed me this ep. Vaguely sounded like Muscle Man from regular show but really devolved and I loved it

Thomas Jager

I have to agree with Emily, I think a pool of croissant would be great to land in. They're so spongy, it'd be like landing on an airbag. (EDIT: I wrote this before the airbags were brought up.) It would be the perfect slow deceleration. Not so fast as to cause damage, but fast enough that you're not dozens of meters down in the croissant-pit. Just a gentle bready blanket catching you.

zweihandjob

Looove a murph ragebaiting ep

Tocayo

There’s no way a pool of croissants wouldn’t be at least as safe as a pool of water right? I think Murph took a tiny L here

Papí

Murph was successfully rage baited lmfao

diintz

honestly an indie game about dungeon crawling in order to upgrade your tavern would be lit to shit and i'd play the hell out of that

Kat

Croissant Gate

SimpleWater

This is one of the funniest bits ever!

Kat

💯💯💯💯

jackalope503

Petition for Kanglin’ Danglin’ Murph at the next live show

Helen✨

NADDPod on Taskmaster when??? God, y’all would be so fantastic

Jack Stephens

Emily is 100 percent correct about sweet fluffy croissants.

Anthony Abreu

Ain't no way you living that jump into croissants

Ben Fleuter

Can't wait for the Darksouls Halloween Town full-length campaign.

thelizbian

Okay but fr, croissants can be compressed while water cannot, so scientifically croissants are better to fall into than water!

dianne mcneill

From Miles WM I disagree with Murphs take that "death's on the table" is never going to work out. You can do it, but it's easy to mess up and get lost in a "grimdark" narrative. It's likely better to say there's no softening of consequences for players doing dumb sh!t. Wanting to kill characters is messed up, and those DM's do exist, but I think that showing up is a selection bias due to them being horrendous. Some GM's see --Can die-- and interpret that as --Should die--. Most of the good very deadly games I've played/GM'd have been very goofy. What they tend to miss is that the players can always quickly hop in with a new character, even if it doesn't make a great deal of narrative sense. TLDR: Grimdark only really works with characters who are like to survive, as that establishes consequences aside from death.

Hemingwhyy

I’m gonna need Mythbusters to come back for this croissant debate

CaramelAshe

Someone has survived jumping out of a helicopter onto a giant stack of cardboard boxes while only wearing a wingsuit. Im so sure croissants would save you from 100 foot drop

Crangar’s Little Helper

*spooiiileerrss My fav moment of this episode is when Emily thinks it would feel great to pencil dive into a lake of croissants and Murph IMMEDIATELY goes “it FUR SURE wouldn’t” 😂 had me in absolute tears.

rosebramblewolf

How long does this croissant debate go on

Sodzha

Murph: I have the best grimdark...no one does grimdark like me

Ziel R.

Generally I liked the advice they gave to the T-Rex dm but Caldwell's bit just felt like putting a hat on a hat... Also, re: the croissant collision question, the issue here is how much impact the croissants can absorb. This would be dependent on the consistency of the croissants and how deep the pit is. In this situation the croissant pit would function a lot like the front end of a car. Those are designed to crumple like an accordian to absorb the impact of the crash. If the croissant pit is deep enough and the croissants fluffy yet firm enough to absorb enough of the impact, the kinetic energy from the crash could disperse enough that you won't take any damage.

jellz

I genuinely think you'd make like a 30 foot hole in the croissants and be unharmed

Hunter Gerth

Team Murph in the Crossoint Dive Debate

Verdigree

Another Joanne reference! Drawfee has never let go of that egg eating lizard

Rover Bernhard

I’m emailing a physicist rn wrt the croissant query

Daniel

How long does a sunset last? What are you here for?

uh

I myself am a scientist and i can confirm jumping a hundred feet into a pool of croissants you would feel a mild pain in your feet like jumping down the last two stairs as a child

Ben Bruvold

Mechanical Engineer here - gut reaction siding against Murph on the croissant debate. Will be doing some more research though on the compressibility of packed croissants

Brian Edwards

CRYING at the Halloween Town campaign.

Brian Edwards

They each need to take a turn DM-ing.

Brian Edwards

"What do you call a group of cousins?" "Cousins." had me dying laughing.

Ash Sweet

Emily correct about the croissants. They need to execute murph.

alli

i need to know if any of the great croissant debate was cut. how long was it originally. poor murph

alli

i’m no croissant scientist but i feel like murph is right here

Mikey

Emily is right on this one

Alexander Meseck

I'm team croissant. I do think enough loose and fluffy croissants could save someone from death if jumped from a high distance. However, 100 ft is probably too much, and you would probably suffer pretty severe injuries, haha

charlie garcia

I want an episode that is just Murph playing the various different bad DM characters he’s created. Robo DM Murph vs. dark souls halloweentown Murph vs Ryan Urphy vs regular Murph. Please write an audio skit that’s setup like a one shot please 🧎‍♂️

Sam Easton

Team Emily for the croissants. You might need a pool that is deeper than your average community pool, but after like 20ft of croissants you’d be fine

Megan

Came here for the croissant physics 😆

Vickyrae

I love when Murph

Calic Tolentino

The biggest issue i think with the croissant is croissant shape leaves too much space between croissant that unless you put them in organized way it might hurt

Alex Miller

I'm with Emily on the croissant issue. It would be like a foam pit.

Chef Julie B

…my time has come. Hold for math.

Chef Julie B

Okay! Croissants and water are both sitting at about 1 g/cm^3 for their density. The difference is (as Emily said) the structure and compressibility of the substances. Water is incompressible upon impact and still needs to be displaced to accommodate your volume upon impact. Bread, however, by the nature of its structure as a dough, is a non-Newtonian fluid made solid by heat. It contains trapped air pockets in protein layers caused by the butter folded into the dough layers melting out while baking. Sounds like an edible air bag to me, folks.

Erik Farrar

Yeah, this is the same concept as a foam pit. Each croissant in the croissant column only has to compress a little bit to displace your kinetic energy and slow down your deceleration. The only question would be how deep would the pool have to be?

chophouse

A Croissant pit is just nature's foam pit. Murph is wrong. Embrace the soft caress of the croissants

rudy reyes

It hurts just to slap a big piece of uncooked dough. 100 feet would definitely kill

Erik Farrar

No. Depending on your body position, it could take over 1000 feet. At 100 feet, you'd be going approximately 55 mph (terminal would be something like 120 mph).

Shannen

March 2026, we fill Sydney harbour with croissants and jump off the bridge. The ultimate test.

AgedGouda

The people who wanted to run a tavern instead of dungeon crawl make me think of a video game called moonlighter. It’s a roguelike where you run through the dungeon fighting monsters at night, and at day time you run a shop where you sell monster parts. Rly cute game, good pixel art.

Erik Farrar

Y'all need to get Randall Munroe (of xkcd and "What If?" fame) to calculate this.

Peregrine

They’re not toasted, man

Courtney F.

If the croissant ocean is deep enough, there would be enough there to not fully kill you but you'd probably get hurt. If it's like, a small layer of croissants, you gon die. The key here is the depth of croissant landing location.

Andy W.

To the DM with the monsters being eaten by other monsters: you gotta reverse the goof. Have a huge monster that is comically eaten by a tiny monster that then attacks the party. Then proudly state that your players would never have seen it coming. They may try to razz you for repeating the same goof a third time with a tiny twist but you can reverse the razz by insisting it was different.

Stig

Pete Holmes' Batman, Badman - is that you?? #deathonthetable

Courtney F.

You bring up a really interesting point I hadn't yet considered; it also depends on how you land. I was thinking a dive. A landing on your head is different than a landing on your feet. And even those landings are different than a belly flop, which covers a lot more surface area and has a lot more risk and potential of deadly causes of death.

Brock Anderson

I was almost pissed. Back to business as usual. I dont pay for no ads. I pay for extra content and the last 3 weeks felt like theft.

CommodoreBlue

Murph’s bad DM voice slowly started becoming Trump at one point

Marc Bollinger

I suspect you would push through a whole bunch of croissants on your way down, but they would act like crumple zones and spread the impact force out over a longer period. However, based on the staleness of my local supermarket croissants , you'd be pulverizing them as you go down, at which point you drown in a quicksand of buttery pastry dust.

Ryanne Wallace

Croissant pit discussion gave me surprise round withdrawals

Courtney F.

Murph is not wrong if you're jumping 100 ft into a 2 ft deep croissant pit. 😂

rosebramblewolf

Why are you being weird about me asking how long a bit was? Don't you ever marvel at how long they talk about something

AgedGouda

The way they all bold face gaslight Murph with unspoken coordination is genuinely disturbing 🤣

Hïkö

I believe emily is correct im a mechanical engineer and I will attempt to get you some numbers soon. I believe the croissants could be modeld as an elastic net

Courtney F.

As a "Murph was right" croissant debate stan, we refuse that tiny L! Define the depth of the pool!!! 😂😂

Tocayo

I mean they call it a pit of croissants, it sounds like its really deep 😂 also they’re so light and fluffy surely people have done crazier stunts

Ed M.

I asked my father who is a physics professor, and he said the impact would probably kill you. He also said “that sounds like a waste of croissants. And also a waste of a human life.”

Barkwood Blues

As far as the croissants go- I have about 1200 skydives. I wouldn’t want to fall vertically into them, but a guy in a wingsuit did land directly into a huge pile of cardboard boxes. I wish he had used croissants now.

Courtney F.

I'm getting way too into this and need to go be productive in my life but the highest high dive jump (that 193 ft they reference) was into a 26 ft pool of water. He was BADLY INJURED. A standard Olympic diving pool isn't even deeper than 17 feet. Murph is right. Everyone have a great day!

Ben Ramirez

I feel like if you spread your body out, the croissants would absorb enough energy to save you, IF it was like a pile of them like 50ft high. I also think you'd get seriously injured and then just die trying to climb out. You'd for sure get trapped under literal tons of bread

CommodoreBlue

You would die if you jumped into a pool of croissants from 100 ft. Or at least get very hurt. The croissants would offer almost no cushion.

Stig

0% chance you survive the croissant jump. Hon. B. Murphy has it absolutely right. Look up the airbags they use for jumping off buildings in movies - how quickly people sink into them. Croissants could simply not displace fast enough to accept a body w/ out crumpling it. Looking forward to the documentary.

Lamp

The biggest issue in the croissant drop is how much force per croissant gets absorbed before they structurally break, and how easily it transfers between crossiants. If the time of collision is long enough, you could feasibly survive the croissant drop at 100ft.

Stig

But the compressibility is part of the problem, no?! The deeper the landing pit, the more croissants are compressed by the weight of other croissants! There would be an optimal depth and I don't think it would be that deep. I mean - poke a finger in water and then poke a finger in croissants. Which was displaced more easily? You can't break the surface tension of croissants. Damn, I gotta breathe. Looking forward to your mathematical perspective, tho.

Tucker Collins

I have to agree with Justice Murphy. Pool full of croissants sounds like fun but is not an effective means of stopping yourself from a fall.

Sean Boyle

Forget about the Croissants. Did anyone else notice that the voice Murphy used for Darksouls Halloween-Town DM sounded like Trump doing a batman impression?

Sean Boyle

If Trump was doing a batman voice.

alyssa

I’m so sorry but the surface tension of water molecules make it act as a solid when enough force+surface area is applied (why a belly flop hurts more than a dive) now compare to those foam blocks gymnasts jump into…. A croissant has more ability to adjust to force as it is a soft solid whereas water ACTS as a full solid when impact is applied. In this essay I will….💀

Sean Boyle

The DM that accidentally did the same trope twice needs to keep doing that Trope. Its not gonna be funny the next im or the time after but by time it happens like 7 or 8 times in a row its gonna come back around to being funny.

Stig

I know you're a professor and I'm not, but sooo different. I can't tell if anyone is kidding rn. I'm crashing out hard which means I must be crashing out into croissants. Why don't planes just pump the breaks and land vertically right at the gate? Save us all some time

Eric Howard

I mean all of those croissants are just making a foam pit.

Stig

The water just moves thoooooo!!! Aaahhhhhh, sorry, I'm crashing out hard. The croissants would not be able to displace fast enough, so you'd have to rely on their compression which would not be enough. Croissants would be compressing other croissants as you poured them into the croissant pit, so there would be a limit on the effective depth of croissants you could jump into, too

Stig

But the weight of the croissants would compress the other croissants! Courtney F., Hon. Murphy and I do accept the answer of "really deep"

Eric Pierce

I get a sense that murph and Emily recently rented The Watchmen from the library recently with the Rorschach reference

Clemming

I think you'd probably die from the croissant pit because croissants still have their own gravity, so there would be a point where they start crushing the lower croissants to a density you couldn't fall through. This would make the depth of the pool irrelevant after a certain point. I haven't done the math but I don't think you'd be able to decelerate to a survival velocity before reaching the denser zone of croissants.

thelizbian

Okay, but imagine slapping water, right? Yes it moves, but the initial impact is still gonna sting because the water takes time to move. If you did the same with croissants, the force will be enacted slower. Think about it just in terms of upwards/downwards force rather than things “moving” because at the speed you would be falling at, all that really matters is those y-axis forces, and the time across which they are distributed. And actually, croissants compressing other croissants is exactly why this works! Everything is happening a lot slower, so the impact will be lesser. Yes, it depends on the depth of the croissants, but I’d pick falling into a 20 foot deep pit of croissants over water any day. I definitely understand where you and murph are coming from but as an engineer who has taken too many physics classes I do think I’m correct (not meaning to be condescending just giving my credentials I promise😭😭)

Sam

The Sydney Opera House is 220 feet tall…….

Stig

I just don't see there being any world in which the impact could be transferred efficiently enough to the next layer of croissants to decelerate you at a safe rate. Coupled with their poor displacement, you're stopping too fast every time. I would also posit that you're probably not getting more than a few feet of croissants before the weight of the croissants on top fully compress the croissants below. The the fluffier the croissants, the more susceptible they are to compression by the weight of other croissants. You honestly might fare better with toasted croissants. Yeah. I said it.

Shrish Jawadiwar

If someone can get me a pool full of croissants, I'll try this with my enemies!

Eric Pierce

This is what Google AI says lol. Sorry it supports you murph Jumping 100 feet into a pool full of croissants would likely result in serious injury or death. While croissants are soft individually, at high impact speeds the human body would encounter a sudden deceleration upon hitting the dense collection of pastries, similar to hitting solid ground. The high velocity generated by a 100-foot fall means the force of impact would be substantial enough to cause severe blunt force trauma and potentially multiple fractures or internal injuries. The air pockets in the pastries would compress instantly, offering negligible cushioning against the immense kinetic energy of a falling person.

AgedGouda

It sounds like Pete Holmes Batman from the old college humor sketches lol

Pensulliwen

The croissant pit is endless! An ocean of croissants!

Verdigree

The players have definitely seen Delicious in Dungeon and the DM hasn't

Stations & Starships

I am with Murph, the croissants would become paste under the force of your fall

Verdigree

If someone threw a croissant at me as hard as humanly possible, it WOULD hurt, the same is true of balls in a ball pit, I think if you fell 100 feet, you would Impact the croissants and they would CRUSH INTO you, it would be kill you and be more horrifying than crashing into ground, you could be GORED by the pointy part of the croissant like it was the horn of a rampaging bull.

Verdigree

Caldwell is in fact exactly wrong that physical dice are more random than digital, because the quality control to actually make sure dice are perfectly fair is cost amd labour-intensive, only casinos bother with it, it's not actually superstition that your dice roll differently

Justin

Dark Souls Halloweentown DM Murph is amazing

Benjamin P Parson Gomberg

I love Murph’s Darksouls Halloween Town setting. It’s so gritty; getting giardia from drinking a God is just one of the things that shows how grim and realistic it is.

NowWhatComix

No way you’re not DESTROYED by those croissants

Lia

"Dungeon crawling to upgrade the tavern" really made me want to play Dark Cloud for the PS2

Kurgaah

There’s a video game from 2018 called “Moonlighter” where you own a magic item shop and moonlight as a dungeon crawler to stock your shop and that style can suit TTRPG very easily Also it would be a very cartoonish death if you high dive into croissants cause you would leave an imprint of your corpse on impact

Walker Thurman

Caldwell really said “you’re not a push-over you’re a doormat”

Eric LaValley

But we do know that people can, and do, regularly dive into water from heights over 100ft very regularly. So with proper form surface tension isn’t an issue. Since surface tension isn’t a factor with croissants, I’m pretty sure you just die.

Walker Thurman

Unfortunately the only thing funnier than your player saying “a bigger book comes and eats it?” Is having a big book with teeth come and eat it as an answer

Sam McInnes

I brought up the croissant debate to my family, including my sister studying biochemical mechanical engineering. The results are: If you fall into a regular size pool full of croissant you would likely severely hurt your body and possibly die. They will cause some resistance slightly slowing your fall but the quantity (and density) of croissants protecting you from the bottom of the pool is so small that the resistance they provide would be dismissable. They wouldn't be a great cussion as they aren't a cohesive unit. You would slip through most of them, and the one you do fall on are not dense enough to cussion your fall, they will just be crushed by your weight. (Imagine slaming a croissant on a table with your fist, that croissant does not stop you from hurting your fist). One giant croissant would be more useful in absorbing and distributing the force of you falling. However, if you had an infinitely deep pool of croissants you would likely survive the fall. The croissants would still be crushed under your weight but with only more croissant under you, the resistance they provide would eventually slow you to a stop. Unfortunately you would probably suffocate to death as the croissants you slipped through would cover you as you fall. The real question is how deep of a croissant pool would you need to slow your speed enough to stop you before hitting bottom of the pool.

Nemo_Nihil17

From 100 ft, a person hits any surface at about 24–25 m/s (about 55 mph). That’s already a dangerous impact speed. Survival depends less on what you land on and more on how long the deceleration takes. If you stop suddenly—even on something “soft”—your body experiences massive internal forces. Croissants are fluffy… but not protective. Fresh croissants are mostly air, but that air escapes instantly under impact. Once compressed, 20 ft of croissants effectively becomes a heavy, semi-solid pile. The stopping distance might only be a few feet (or less), which means extreme deceleration. A 100-ft fall into 20 ft of croissants (above average pool depth) would almost certainly be fatal or life-threatening. Fluffiness helps a little, but nowhere near enough to safely absorb that much energy.

Rover Bernhard

Though I’m sure more wouldn’t hurt

Jess J

🥚 EGG DROP TEST INTO CROISSANTS 🥐!!! It’s the only way to know!

Thefindingmoon

I listened to this twice because I thought it was so funny. Near the end of the 2nd listen I realized I had been imagining bagels as if they were croissants for about 2 hrs…

Jesse Turits

Hear me out. The croissants would smoosh together absorbing the impact. It definitely depends how deep But I think it would slap really hard and you’d break a few bones but it would works However. The buttery dust would probably suffocate you

Benjamin Korynta

Beautiful Illustrious Effervescent Justice Hurwitz (Boston) please more Skaldova. The people yearn

Conner Delgado

Sinner The Rouge vs Ryan Eurphy when

Pablito

Science boy here, I’m not gonna do any math over this but after looking around a little it seems like the reason people can survive jumping into a swimming pool of water 10ish feet deep is because they do like a pencil dive and then flatten out allowing the water to absorb the impact in a very distributed way which doesn’t always kill you. Now if we’re talking about a pool of Costco croissants and you go in legs first you’re gonna break your legs immediately, so we have to change gears. Naturally you’d want to flatten out for that satisfying croissant recliner moment. While that would create more surface area to distribute all the energy of the fall you have to leave your spine and brain stem exposed, and even though croissants are soft they are actually just butter and air and when you squish them they quickly densify into essentially a brick of butter which I do believe after falling 100 feet would likely break your back oppa Bane style. That being said there would surely be an incredibly satisfying moment in there and I would simply recommend getting that sweet croissantisfaction by jumping from a slightly lower height. P.S. Sorry for siding with Murph, if anybody does the math or wants to make a mythbusters style crash test dummy with me let me know

Walker Thurman

It’s possible to injure yourself in any fall, if someone is trained they could do a croissant dive. Are they supposed to fall into a normal pool? Presumably they would be on a high dive, and when people do dives that high it’s normally either into the ocean or a specially-designed pool for that event, you could absolutely build a pool to contain enough croissants to slow a fall. The comparison to foam blocks isn’t perfect because that foam has a higher compressive strength than the limited gluten in croissants, but that might actually work to the diver’s benefit at that height.

Brock Anderson

Doesnt emily have a "gluten" allergy? Arguement over

Walker Thurman

Jane Douglas of OxVenture has a physics degree I think, you probably DO have physicists emailing you but I like her energy

Zoobinga

I'm usually with Murph, but I think you can survive falling into an infinit amount of croissants. Whenever a croissant becomes crushed and dense, another croissant will absorb the impact.

Chef Julie B

Not me have flashbacks to 5th grade science class when I broke my egg in my hand before even getting to test my ‘safety cage’. I even listened and used triangles, I was so mad.

Chef Julie B

Bread-seption 👁️👄👁️

Matthia Vaillancourt

"gods must have some microbes...like giardia.." *chefs kiss*

Yara

Murph is so wrong about the croissants it’s crazy

SchniedelWutz

Does Murph realise the croissant aren't toasted?

Nic Q

Justice for Murph on the croissant debate! Absolute insanity lmao Love the Taskmaster shoutout but I gotta pick up Caldwell on a small thing: it's a Channel 4 show, not BBC. Very common mistake though! All the seasons are uploaded on their official youtube channel so anyone who hasn't seen it should go and do that. It's a thing of pure fun, silly delight just like naddpod.

Jo Hobbs

How many households are debating the fluid dynamics of the croissant today?

Mortimer Lunch

To quote Caldwell in some episode either 8BBC or later, “Emily you know I usually go with you on your bullshit but I simply can’t!” I’m not a sciematist, but I did stay in a holiday inn last night (I took some science classes). LETS START WITH BASE STATS Height: 100 ft (30.48m for real science numbahs) Mass: 125 lb (56-57 kg, I figured this is how much Bailiff Jake weighs) Gravity: approx 9.81 m/s^2 (Patreon doesn’t let me format this all fun and sciency so don’t attack me, real scientists!) NOW LETS TALK ABOUT IMPACT SPEED Again, I’m limited by formatting here but just imagine what the calculations look like (LABORATORY OF THE MIND). You have to calculate joules of energy by referencing speed based off gravity and height (among other things). NUMBERS. What that comes out to is roughly 16,900 (nice) joules of energy which has to be spread out SOMEWHERE. (a person/object has X amount of joules of energy based on their mass and height relative to when they land on their fall. Regardless of what they’re hitting. This is a grossly summarized way of saying this.) So 16,900 (nice) joules of energy is like a small car accident (without any sort of protection/safety features, turns out your body doesn’t have airbags! Don’t you dare make a boob joke to this), and in order to disperse that energy it has to push against something. Croissants will shoot *outward*, not directly absorb the contact, which effectively means you’ll end up instantaneously squishing the few you land on directly, while pushing away others, and then the air pockets will immediately be crushed removing any dense/soft cushion. The reason why a foam pit helps falling is due to the material being engineered to absorb impact in a way that redistributes those joules of energy, though even a foam pit from 100 ft would require a very deep pit. What you’re wanting to prepare for is SLOW DECELERATION which croissants simply will not be able to accomplish. In short, CROISSANT PIT VERY BAD, IT NO HELP, YOU DIE.

Nova

When they said “sentence to play in this gritty juice campaign” I was really waiting for someone to chime in with something about pulp.

Chris Atienza

Team croissant here. I think it'd be more similar to those pools of foam cube than we think. I think we can survive the fall so long as it's like incredibly deep but drown in the croissants

Lena

I have a PhD in physics and live in Paris. I’m thinking that we can just check the ideal scenario of landing on croissants and see if that is possible. In line with the argument that croissant are balloon-like (when you land on them and squish them, they absorb an amount of energy and slow your fall) the question is how many croissants you would need to break your fall. As calculated for ballons (See https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/450917/surviving-a-fall-into-a-balloon-filled-pit ) we imagine a pyramid of stacked ballons that absorb your impact. For terminal velocity (it would be smaller for 100 feet) you need only about 4600 balloons. Say that the force required to pop a ballon is the same as if you squish 30 croissants at the same time. Then we need about 138 000 croissants! If we have large croissants, each of volume 0.15*0.05*0.05 m^3, we get a total volume of almost 52 m^3. But an Olympic pool contains 2500 m^3 (although in a different geometry), so only a tiny amount of that filled with croissants is enough. The intuition that a pool filled with ideal soft squishy croissant would break you fall is therefore not totally crazy! However, as others have pointed out with that amount of croissants there is also no way that they wouldn’t act more like a granular solid or a liquid. Our pyramid of squished croissants would weight 9700 kg, they are in fact quite dense! I’m saying: tiny w for Murph here.

allscratch

that was into water though. not croissants

Logan Carpenter

Where do we get “Team Croissant” shirts for the live shows?

Logan Carpenter

Let me emphasize it needs to stylistically be the same to “team Edward/jacob”

Logan Carpenter

You fall on a pit of croissants take 10d10 fall damage. Welcome to dark souls flavor town.

C C

Truly wasn’t prepared for the croissant debate… and honestly, that’s on me fam. I should have expected it

Palmer

100% you are better off jumping into croissants than water! Croissants don’t have surface tension (a large barrier to overcome when jumping into water which is why they have to break it when jumping from high heights) AND croissants, unlike water, are compressible. As long as you aren’t pencil diving into 15 feet of croissants you are fine Here’s the proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/NotAnotherDnDPodcast/s/Zzo6vk5BrA

EverythingsBetterWithCheese

You’d definitely live jumping into croissants. 100 feet won’t get you to terminal velocity. People jump into piles of cardboard and live

deranged pigeon

emily is so right about the croissant dive, the real struggle would be trying to get out

Brian McAree Murphy

I believe she is celiac, whoch is considerably beyond an allergy, but not instant lethality.

clerby

“maybe if their horse was helping with surgery” most caldwell phrase ever. brother what.

clerby

i love dark souls halloweentown sm. i knew i watched 15 hours of souls lore for a reason 🙏🏽

Konnor Wall

First it was bear hell, now it’s croissant pool. 2026 is off too a great start <3

Olivia S

Love to see Batman Brian

Lindsay S

This was my thought too!

Noah Wygant

I’m for sure on team croissant. It’d be just like jumping into a foam pit, no?

Spencer Hester

Honestly I’m heartbroken, I’ve never sided with Emily over Murph but here we are. All it took was croissants. Really disappointed man really disappointed. I thought you were the best, most reasonable, logical of us all. The bastion holding back Caldwell’s nonsense and Emily’s schemes. Yet here we stand. Broken hearted. Bc I came to sh

Spencer Hester

Yeah for once I 100% am on her side lol

Spencer Hester

I’m not a physicist but you’re wrong

thiswayjose

Fun fact: D&D Beyond actually uses a physics engine for their dice rolls! It’s as close as it gets to real dice in a digital space!

Jordanne Stahl

They've got to send this to Randall Munroe for What If. Physicist AND artist.

Brian Gifford

Hey you guys described the gameplay of Moonlighter

Ed M.

Update: I asked him for specifics, and he agreed with Murph’s car crash point (that abruptly stopping would be a killer here). He also said that there’s some material that feels very easy to push through when you’re slowly pushing on it, but when you hit it hard and quick, it stiffens. He used sand as an example.

Maddie Gombis

Infinity damage is a Ryan Urphy mechanic

Stig

Thank you for this contribution. I would argue that the idea croissants could cushion *a* fall to the point of reduced injury or survivability is not totally crazy. After all, we learn from a young age that croissants are softer than the ground. But for *this* fall it is superb #1 wild crazy thing to think.

Magnoliidae

For the dnd beyond case when looking at the sheet on there I've accidentally hit to roll dice when I didnt mean to and that mightve been what happened with the cousin

Nathan Rome

I think this is like stunt guys jumping into cardboard boxes. For reference here's a video of a car jumping 100' into cardboard boxes and coming out basically fine. Cardboard boxes are just big croissants for cars so it holds up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unp8LS4TY70

Mortimer Lunch

No, sadly it would not be 😬 Foam pits were engineered to absorb impact. Croissants are not, they’re in fact *really* bad at absorbing impact.

Noah Wygant

no but I mean specifically untoasted croissants

Frank

Unfortunately I don’t think Murph has ever been more wrong

Sander Goldman

Murph is so wrong about the croissants

Sander Goldman

Murph has clearly never jumped in a foam pit

Davis

So when is the Dark Souls Halloweentown One shot?

Count von Cunt

I'm so sure that airbags hurt. If your body wants to be a projectile and you are hit with an airbag you're still getting broken ribs

Jane Paintrain

Murph says "You're going to die" as Emily gleefully jumps off a 100' cliff into a large pool filled with croissants. Suddenly, from a nearby tree, an even bigger pool filled with croissants swoops in and catches her safely.

Stations & Starships

So... I may have posted the croissant question on reddit /AskScience and /AskPhysics... so far results are in Emily's favor

Neil Dutton

I think that might have been it.

Renee Wild

About the croissants, I’m with Murph. The main inaccuracy being assumed by the others is that the croissants would retain their shape to some degree when pressure is applied, that’s what makes things bouncy. The outer crust of a croissant is delicate and would crush and collapse as soon as your body applied pressure to it. The rest of a croissant is air. You’re hitting the bottom of that pool SO fast no matter how deep it is

River

Air bags and foam pits can and do injure people. Maybe not fatally on average, but still not great. So I'm on team Murph for this croissant debate.

Dylan

Cardboard boxes are just big croissants is so naddpod coded

Ian Montgomery

Such a shame that Ryan Urphy doesn’t believe in the power of croissants

Totally Offside

Instant death from falling 100 feet into a pool of croissants seems like an overstatement. For sure you *could* die but that many loosely packed grocery store croissants are going to absorb a lot of energy. Most likely you'd be alive but fucked up pretty bad.

pete

Croissant over water. Falling in croissants is more akin to stunt people falling into cardboard boxes. The surface tension of water at that height would make it like hitting cement.

Neil Dutton

Murph has only encountered very stale croissants.

Neil Dutton

Murph seems to think the croissants wouldn't compress and you're just trying to slice through a pile of croissant shaped rocks.

Clever Innuendo

We need MythBusters to come back for the Croissant Dive

Tommy

As a bartender I can confidently assert you would survive a 100ft fall into a croissants completely unscathed

aMeanSquirrel

Moonlighter and its sequel are exactly a dungeon crawl to finance your shop game

Andy Branton

Murph sounds like Pete Holmes’s Batman and I can’t unsee it every time he does the voice

Maya

This!! I think when Murph mentioned the “infinite pool of croissants,” he was so right. Croissants are made up of SO much air, you’d definitely crush majority of them! You’d need a ridiculous sized pool to save you.

Maya

THANK YOU LENA!!!

Claytron

I really happy to belong to this community.

Hammy

Murph, they aren’t toasted

Venus Astria

Did they ever sentence that last person or did they just talk about the croissant high five for ten minutes 💀

Mikel

100% team croissant here 🥐

Nick Neverman

Sentence the Tavern DM to read Toriko. The gourmet hunter’s could be a huge inspiration for campaign material!

Rainbow Cake

I feel like the biggest croissant issue would be not sliding right through them. Foam has a lot of friction but a not fresh, untoasted croissant isn't going to hold together well. You would need to belly flop for sure

Alexander Powers

Good news, Emily! I've crunched the numbers and you would experience *no impact at all* jumping 100ft into a pool of croissants as long as it was filled at least 47 feet (or approximately 410 croissants) deep with the croissants I got from Walmart today, assuming you weigh 50kg and flop off the diving board like a dead fish rather than spring boarding off it. Oh, and assuming the croissants are all glued together in one giant mass so they can't just slide out of the way as you fall through them. I am an engineer and would be happy to show my work if requested. Hell, if I can figure out how, I may show my work if *not* requested.

Jamie ßuçklānđ

I believe the sentence was to dive 100ft into a pool of croissants, which is what sparked the debate.

Akenaz

man we haven't gotten a good old fashioned Murph Gaslighting like this in a while

Ryan Higgins

How high can you stack croissants before they crush the bottom croissant and become incomprehensible? Humans typically go 21 feet deep in water at a 60 foot dive. If the croissants where stacked 10ft high and the bottom became incompressable...

belle

murph being so loud and so wrong about the croissants is killing me. gonna go down as an all time giant L

Whitman Barber

But if you slide, the friction slows you down and you stop anyway

CJ

Another classic for the annals of NADDPod history. Croissanting will never be the same again. And neither will the Olympics.

Noah Mercury

I don't understand how Murph doesn't get it. They wouldn't be toasted, so you wouldn't shatter anything

Venus Astria

How I missed that is so wild💀

Smiththebat

If you want to be super pedantic you would absolutely be more safe hitting water than croissants. Especially if the water has a bubble stream like divers have to break the surface tension. But also I DO believe that Jake is right with the LOOSELY packed croissants. It would act like a foam pit I believe. I think you MAYBE could survive but you’ll probably be crippled. Its isn’t even a tiny L it’s a MASSIVE L for the pro-croissant side.

Jay S.

Grim dark animal crossing is just The Strongest Florist 😁

Charles Leon

Jumping in croissants is safe because i can eat them on the way back up

McJoeJoeJoe

Unhinged behavior with Dark Souls Halloween Town and Croissant survival discussions.

Jay S.

This is my boyfriend’s take, he ♥️ physics TLDR; you’d survive, it’d be at most as bad as a survivable car crash And Emily? He thinks it would be safer than water (if you jumped feet first into the croissant pool instead of diving head first) Okay so check it: So velocity due to gravity without air resistance v = √(2gh) v = √(2*32.2*100) v ‎ =  feet/s ‎ =  ~55mph when you hit the croissants A diving pool has a minimum depth of 16.4 feet So assuming 90% compression for croissants, Let’s say you decelerate uniformly over 15 feet, Which is about 216.9 ft/s² Divide that by gravity 32.2 ft/s² You get a g force of ~6.7 Gs Which is easily survivable. Now your max g force is likely higher, I just assumed uniform deceleration because I didn’t feel like doing the calculus atm, But even so, you’re not likely to encounter a g force that will kill you unless you’re landing straight on your neck.

Hannah Star

can’t wait for them to address the absolute whomp that murph is taking in the comments rn

Jeffrey Steck, Lord of the Fjord

I’m not a physicist but I’ve watched every episode of Mythbusters. You would be dead. 100 feet is jumping off a 10 story building. The average pool is probably 10-15 feet deep. I think you would need a 30-50 foot deep pool of croissants to give you a chance. Yes, water is more dense but it also slows you down enough to not slam into the bottom of the pool. The croissants are not dense enough and not to even mention if you landed in the shallow side of the pool. Hate’s me to say it, but W for Murph.

Mauricio Caceres

I was admittedly not listening so intently but I understood this as jumping from 100ft into an arbitrarily deep pool of croissants, not a standard depth pool.

Tom Graham

Someone bake Murph a croissant in the shape of a tiny L

Pendergreens’ Sick Ibanez

If the croissant pool is unlimited depth, hitting it would be better than unlimited water but youd need some way to get out A pool full of croissants probably wouldnt be deep enough to be safe A minutes-long crunch experienced by the full body… imagine…

Mortimer Lunch

Oh shit. I forgot they were untoasted.

JR Lonergan

This episode is so unhinged. Hook it into my veins

Cody Zimmer

Was anyone else reminded of the blender god/demon from A Crown of Candy (or was it the Ravening War?) with all of this blender talk?

Heidi B

I mean if you really want someone to dive into the science of the croissant problem Brennan could maybe get you the Hank Green hookup

Perpetual Wizard

My only question is would it be easier or harder for Caldwell to learn to run across a pool of croissants like those lizards?

Justin Nichols

I'm not a mathematician or anything smart. I'm a guy who has a garage, a kiddie pool, and way too much free time. I tested the crossiants, and let me tell you jumping 10 feet into a kiddie pool of them, both freshly baked and the doughy ones, both hurt like a bitch still. There was almost no change to the pain my ankles felt. No one was seriously harmed in the test

The Wizard Snoop

Physics teacher: with a deep enough pool, the croissants would slow your descent and reduce the force. But, having not done the maths, I'd spitball that you'd need a pool of croissants that's 30 feet deep to survive a 100 foot drop

William Blankenship

I personally don’t like the “make death real” kind of DMing. I am running a serious dark fantasy campaign right now. I usually am a super easy going dm when I see someone is near death I attack another party member or come up with a reason to give advantage and such. But for this one I said it’s a dark fantasy resurrection is not common place and I won’t pull punches. So I still do the other stuff but for example last session a PC came very near to death bc they are a queen and an assassin came after them. The assassin spent every turn focused on them because that’s what they came to do not attack anyone else. That is fine to me but just killing pcs to make fake stakes is cheap. If you want to go hard on one PC in a fight that’s fine but make it a plot hook. An assassin after them, an old rival who caught up to them etc.

Adam Whittam

Taskmaster is a channel 4 show not BBC and how would you score jump into a pool of croissants? Caldwell I fear you've let yourself down there old boy.

William Blankenship

“Grab them and force them into the juicer” - Murph…. Sounds a lot like “You ARE meat” - Maxwell Gotch ( played by Murph) …. Starting to see a trend here 😅😂

AXWH

Wet Jake 2028

Flyboy

Hey gang, I'm searching for the elven word they joked about tattooing/having as a funny tattoo. Does anybody know what word it was? xoxo

Scrumblina Brumblina

Made the mistake of working out during the Dark Souls Halloween bit. Murph was killing me mid-set Also, I'm thinking the pool can't be any less than 50 feet deep or you're rocketing through those croissants and splatting on the bottom.

Jasmine G.

I really love that Murph couldn't move on

DM Dennis

I would watch taskmaster with the 2 crew and zac with Brennan as the taskmaster and Sam reich as the assistent taskmaster

Joe Howard

As an engineer with an agricultural specialization, I believe I am uniquely qualified to answer this croissant question. Justice Axford has the right of it, it would be comfy and good. Thank you

Susannah B.

All I know is that now I want a fluffy soft Costco croissant (not toasted)

Curtis V

I believe there was a mythbusters episode where they tried to run across water unsuccessfully. I would think croissants would be even harder. Either way, Murph needs to take the L!

Nathan Van Ness

When stunt people make long falls, they land use cardboard boxes, not water. Croissants are more like boxes than water. Therefore, croissants are safer than water. I'm not smart enough to do the math, but I'm certain that if you can survive a 100 ft fall into water, you can survive a 100 ft fall into croissants more safely. The greatest danger is not stopping in time and hitting the bottom of the container. I do not believe you would be killed by the croissants because they have less surface tension allowing them to be moved more easily by your impact, whereas impacting the surface of water is the dangerous part.

Daniel B

Hearing how confident Murph was about the danger of jumping into a pit of croissants just makes me believe Murph has never had a good croissant.

Matt Kilsby

My gut reaction was to agree with Murph - I feel like the croissants would compress and run out of “give” too quickly to provide a gentle enough deceleration. But the more I think about it, I think that assumption applies far more when you have a finite container, like a small pool, which prevents the croissants around the edge to move down and outwards. BUT if you were diving into an infinitely deep ocean of croissants…maybe you’d actually be fine?? Because every croissant that becomes fully compressed will then just transfer the force to the next one down, and so on. We need a YouTube psychics nerd to do a deep dive (ha) on this

Matt Kilsby

FYI, the water spray in high-diving doesn’t make the landing softer, it’s just so the diver can clearly see the surface of the water better than if it was glossy, smooth and reflective 😁

Sara S.

This is the best physics based argument they’ve ever had on the pod, Murph must take a gargantuan L

Matt Kilsby

HANG ON: Even if you have infinite croissants, the weight of the croissants at the top will cause the croissants below to become more and more compressed the deeper you get, until at a certain depth the croissants will basically be bricks. So the golden question is: is that ultimate squished croissant depth deep enough to allow you time to decelerate slowly enough to survive? I’m not proud of how much this has consumed my brain for the past 15 minutes.

Andrew Jennings

You could survive jumping into croissants from 100ft Murph is trippin

Gearbox

I fully believe the croissants would be fine. Especially if there's a sufficiently large pool of them, they're dissipating your energy both by compressing and by physically moving out of the way, like a fluid.

DungeonMama

Don't know if this has been said yet but airbags can definitely injure you, it is not a good argument for diving into croissants lol

Craig Felt

I feel like croissants are kind of the texture of foam, so landing in croissants is like landing in a foam pit like they do in BMX so you'd be totally fine

Swaff

I love to listen to my favorite professional rage baiters and my favorite professional rage rat

Gh.stF.ssil

Literally fell asleep listening to them talking about croissants and woke up to them still talking about croissants.

Ian Rapley

#TeamCroissantSurvival.

Summer Tribe

That's not how HP works murph

Quincy Collins

I need to see Shoocharu animate Murph’s edgelord DM bit

Ben Beckwith

If you are looking to sentence to a large hat. You should have chosen the Razz-berry berret, come on it was right there!

Sydney Victorino

Hi! I bought tickets for the radio city hall show however I just found out I have an exam on the day of the show and I live in Canada so I won’t be able to make it. I bought ticket insurance just in case so I would be able to return the ticket. However it says resale is unavailable for the tickets (Row V seat 609, 610). I spoke with ticket master support and they said I could transfer the tickets to another person. Any advice on what to do?

Alex Samburov

I'm pretty sure Emily is right about croissants. Murph is correct, it boils down to a material's ability to gradually slow you down rather than stopping you abruptly. In other words, it's about how squishy a material is. I think, croissants are squishy enough that an ocean of croissants would save your life. However, you'd need to land flat to hit a larger surface and benefit from more croissants being squished. Here's a video of a guy falling ~30 ft and landing on empty boxes: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lfX3P3MwKN8 Boxes are clearly better suited for that -- more air inside means more squishiness. And it's 30 ft, not 100 ft. So I think a 100 ft fall into an ocean of croissants would be dangerous, but there's a chance to survive that.

Kyokun

why am i paying for this and why am i going to keep doing it

Sean Egan

I did (some of) the math! You’d be going 54 mph hitting those croissants after a 100 ft fall. So the force would be the same as being hit by a bus going 54 mph. Imagine this bus is coming down a narrow alley at you. Now imagine filling up the alley with the lightest fluffiest croissants ten feet high and 20-30 feet deep. Would you survive the hit cushioned by all those croissants? Maybe Another fun variation: you are in the bus standing in the aisle. No seatbelt or airbag. But the entire bus is filled to the ceiling with croissants. They are all around you. Then the bus crashes into a brick wall at 54 mph? Survivable? Maybe. I was in Murphy side but now I’m not so sure

Dean Moir

Take the L Murph 😂

Sam

I think that the breaking force of the croissants is slow enough to stop your fall, but you would die from the unequal distribution of that force on your body since you’re falling into an uneven surface. Basically your bones would snap and you’d break your spine.

Erika Celeste Wagner

I make croissants for a living, and everyone is wrong, but Emily is least wrong. WATER is bad to land on. Croissants are more equivalent to foam blocks. The 100 feet would be the killer either way.

D'ran Dana

I hate to say it but Murph needs to take the L and jump in the croissant pool

D'ran Dana

I think the worst of the injury would be the burns and scraps from the browned four. You might even start a fire from the friction.

D'ran Dana

Because nobody else is tackling the difficult questions

D'ran Dana

Air bags are FAR chewier than croissants though. Nobody brought up the chewy factor

Erika Celeste Wagner

Fire unlikely. Scraped to heck, yes. Because I make good croissants, not Costco croissants. BUT the exterior crust would prevent some compaction

DungeonMama

Hmm, I've never tried chewing on an airbag, so I can't comment on its chewiness unfortunately lol

Grass

Maybe the Reddit? As it gets closer to the event, demand may go up too. Good luck!

Prisma

Terminal velocity of a person falling is a 120 miles an hour. If there was a canon aimed a foot a way from your face that shot a croissant at 120 miles per hour, it’s going to hurt like hell and a croissant only weights like 1/4 of a pound. A 100+ pound person flying into a bunch of croissants at 120 miles per our is going to be significantly more hurting.

Desiree

i stand with emily on the croissant debate 🙂‍↕️

Robin

I disagree that players should be allowed to derail any campaign just because you put a shop they can own in it as set dressing. There's a whole genre of management sim video games that scratch that itch far more satisfyingly, please stop forcing DMs to learn business classes, it's so boring to run in practice.

Lindsey

I don’t swim, can’t swim. But you bet your ass if there is a pool of croissants, I’m Scrooge McDucking into that pillowy pool of safety to the bosom of god.

Mike Hamrick

Not to be 🤓 about it, but it's all about slowing down as gradually as possible, and a pool full of croissants does a WAY better job of that than water... It might not be the ideal rate of deceleration, but I wager it's close, and I would literally bet my life it's closer to the optimum than water from a high starting velocity. Edit - I thought of this later, but think about a foam pit... What is a croissant but a block of foam made from gluten+air instead of plastic/rubber+air?

Matthew Sands

There's a whole spectrum between Will Definitely Kill You and Walk It Off Without Even An Ache The Next Morning. My entirely unscientific gut call is that it won't kill you, but it will hurt enough that you regret not listening to Murph.

theattackchicken

You absolutely would be better off jumping into a pool of croissants, so long as the pool was deep enough. It's all about deceleration. If you jump from high enough, water tension makes the surface of the water act essentially like concrete. Croissants would essentially act like a foam pit- as you squish the croissants together, they'll compress and slow the fall. There'd be a less rapid deceleration. People have survived skydiving accidents because they landed in a bush as opposed to plain ground. They were hurt as fuck, but survived. In the same way, you'd probably be hurt really badly but you'd be more likely to survive a high fall into croissants rather than water. Murph is 100% wrong, and Emily is, as always, perfectly right :)

Tenkura

So, I know how we feel about AI as a whole but the croissant thing truly had me curious, so according to ChatGPT you’d PROBABLY die jumping into the croissants. You may live depending how deep the pool is and how you landed, but you’d definitely not be walking away. They’d compress too rapidly and you’d slam into hard croissants very quickly

riskutforthebriskut

yall really think bread wouldnt greatly injure you vs water, which people often jump into from heights lmao

Kevin Zamzow

Batman murph voice in Halloween town would be an amazing campaign. “DEATH IS ON THE TABLE” so funny.

Paint Ninja Workshop

Mark Rober or Mythbusters. Are yall here? PLEASE explain croissant physics to us!

Zanya Nova

I laughed so hard I got a rib spasm

Liz

I agree with Emily on a lot of things but the croissants ain’t it, girl. 😂

DMAN

So i kinda think they should do a monthly show where they play as "the worst possible annoying players and DM" personas that they've been building. Just for like, a few months

Kingzley Sparkman

The record for the highest jump into water is someone named Lasso Schaller who jumped from 196ft 10in. Which is wild! Also, Neil deGrasse Tyson crossover?

Nate Card 🇺🇦

The pastry jump discussion had me thinking of this video from a dozen years ago: https://youtu.be/yr6Wg8sQj0w?si=2RluDsEOsskULTHT This is using hay which they assume compresses at a 6ft:1ft ratio. I’m guessing croissants do not compress that much. And even if they did you would need over 20 feet deep of them to walk away from the jump. This video also assumes a jump of over 150ft though. So you might need slightly less cushion. If you bought the croissants you’d want to use, try to press them into a flat solid and measure the ratio of puffed vs flat. And then you could use the formulas from the video.

Samuel S

Croissants are less dense than water, so it’s more like jumping into a foam pit, it just depends on how fast the croissants would compress if they are loosely stacked and not compressed to begin with

rarefiednight

I would agree with other commenters who argue the croissants would be analogous to a foam pit. As someone who did gymnastics for most of my life, I have a great deal of experience with those, and as someone who was a dumb teen with constant access to a foam pit, I have a *specific* relevant experience to offer. When I was about 12 or 13, a friend dared me to dive into the foam pit as I would into water, and I agreed! Reader, the way I felt my whole spinal cord *compress* in a horrifying way was beyond description. Thanks to the grace of pure luck, my 13-year old joints, and the fact that I'd only done it from a very low height, I managed to walk away mostly uninjured (though my whole neck and back felt *awful* for a few weeks), but I can firmly attest that any "soft" material you might go to land in can still absolutely break you if you do it from too high or in the wrong position. At minimum you'd break both your legs.

Thomas

Excellent work; how did you measure the force a croissant can absorb, how much do they weigh, and what is their ideal arrangement on one horizontal layer?

Sean

I asked my physicist friend and here's his response "I would need to know more about the compression ratio but gut instinct says it's bad. Either it compresses slowly which means the initial impact will be pretty stiff and maybe kill you. Or it compresses quickly and the initial impact will be soft but then 30 feet won't bleed all the energy and you'll splat when it's fully compressed and you bottom at still at high speed. Argument could be made depending on weight of person and hence energy bleed required"

Logan

Emily would absolutely die

Andrew Whitford

I love how confidently wrong Murph is. Assuming the pool is adequately deep enough, the croissants will definitely act like a foam cushion and protect you.

Alexander Powers

I modeled the croissant as a spring in compression. I found the spring constant of a croissant by adding a weight in the form of 2 stone coasters and measuring the change in thickness of the croissant. I then found the maximum possible compression of a single croissant by smashing it as flat as I could with my hands and measuring that thickness (I do not own a hydraulic press). From there, I calculated compression needed to absorb all the energy of the fall and extrapolated the number of croissants needed to achieve that compression. For good measure, I then found the time it would take to reach the bottom and found the g-force generated by the change in acceleration (about 3 gs, roughly equivalent to a roller coaster). I didn't need how much they weighed so I didn't measure it, and my wife and her friend got high and ate all the experimental material, so I can't evaluate it for you now. As for the ideal arrangement in a horizontal layer, the best shape to model a croissant would probably be a semi-ellipsoid. Calculating the ideal arrangement of this shape would take a lot of very difficult calculus I don't feel like doing right now, but my best guess would be using right-side up and upside down croissants in an alternating pattern such that each upside down croissant sits between two right-side up croissants.

Oru

i'm sorry murph but i am siding with emily. i do think an ocean filled with croissants is way more dangerous, but if its just a pool? yeah i'd trust the costco croissants to protect our stupid asses. i dont think it would have an air sound when its crushed tho, sorry emily </3 maybe a few flaky crunches at best.

Cameron LaMack

Mechanical engineering professor here; sent an email with my results and assumptions.

Hashtaggles

I see why they didn’t make Murph Batman at College Humor

Hashtaggles

Cuz he’d be too good at it.

Frogndog

Skydiving into a pit full of croissants feels like something red bull would do

Alice S

Absolute hero thank u for ur service

Hashtaggles

The croissants under the top layer would compact under the weight of the other croissants. So you’d be good until the the top layer of croissants compress under you and you basically impact solid crogound after that.

AutomaTom

A simple thought experiment of slapping a croissant vs slapping the surface of a pool tells you which one is more compressible/less painful/better at slowly dissipating an impact. The main concern regarding impact then would simply be that you'll need far more depth to dissipate the impact in croissants than you need with water. However, at one point, the idea of an infinite depth of croissants was permitted, so that scenario is fine. You'll almost certainly get buried and suffocate/"drown" but Emily didn't seem to mind that consequence 😆 I would even estimate for the napkin math that they have a much lower spring coefficient than, say, a bungee cord, so my worry of injury from impact itself is very low, given a suitable depth and posture upon landing. Edit: Including this great Reel Physics video that Nate Card linked earlier, as its discussion of the Assassin's Creed trust fall into a cart of hay is an excellent analogue to this discussion: https://youtu.be/yr6Wg8sQj0w?si=2RluDsEOsskULTHT

Olivia Francis

I love how there is no consensus on the croissant debate

TheWizardShrimpsIsBugs

I hate to be annoying, but "water tension" isn't a thing; I think you mean surface tension, which is also not the deciding factor in the deceleration (though this is a very, very common misconception). The relevant aspects would be the density and compressibility of each substance. Bodies of water don't maintain surface tension in any meaningful way over a large area (for instance, droplets of water on a surface have surface tension, making them very smooth and resistant to "bursting"—and same deal with bubbles—but pools do not have this trait); it's really more that when an object lands in water, the water molecules can't move out of the way fast enough nor get compressed like air (which is why high jumpers often use bubblers under the water in the spot where they're supposed to hit the water), which is what results in the very fast deceleration, which is what causes damage to the fast object. So it really depends on how airy the croissants are, but your instinct is correct! As long as the pool of appropriately fluffy croissants is deep enough, my physics degree (and *shudder* fluid mechanics courses) would suggest the croissants, as long as you're landing Assassin's Creed-style to ensure even deceleration. :)

Mortimer Lunch

The amount of people who think croissants are akin to foam makes me really concerned that NADDPOD fans have been eating decorative fake croissants made of foam for years. Don’t eat foam 😭

Bethany

Anyone else's first thought the Halloween town from the Disney Channel Original Movie?

CallMeButters

You would 100% die. When you first hit the layer of croissant it would collapse and take some of the fall but that layer would compress against the layers further down and make it as hard as rock.

Quest Couture

The juice question ending with "should I have stopped this?" Almost made me crash my lawnmower, I was laughing so hard

tori

please keep your weird rude instagram energy out of the naddpod patreon thanks 😊

Blubread00

No you wouldn’t die. Did we forget about David Blane jumping onto the cardboard boxs from 100ft up. Now if the croissants were only pool deep you would die but if there wasn’t a limit on how deep the croissants you wouldn’t die.

Jacob Rocheteau

The Assassins creed analogy is great, but now we need to test the compression of hay vs croissants.

BurtMcKraken

Well now I want a cWahsoinntttt

Wouter Van Goey

You would've come to a stop or at least a safe speed before hitting the croground surely.

🐧lost penguin familiar

A croissant pit is like a thicker more dense foam pit. Sounds more dangerous than a foam pit. 100 feet is so far, its scary. I think the gang needs to stand on a 100ft ledge or at least Google it

Hunter Roberts

You would for sure die as the croissants would collapse underneath you and grow harder and harder as you continue to fall. That being said, could you survive falling into a pool of wonderully fluffy focaccia?

Toblerone. jpg

Fiending for a campaign where we try to renovate our tavern, running it or playing in it honestly

Blake John Odekirk

You guys should have Goodreads profiles so we can follow what you’re reading both good and bad

Kyle Rudge

If the goal is purely to survive the initial hit, the answer is croissants. The air trapped in the dough layers makes them shock absorbers compared to the rigid, incompressible nature of water

FuzzyNumbers

who can get them in touch with Dr. Angela Collier?

Bandanno

People have survived skydiving accidents by landing on blackberry bushes..so? Probably wouldn't die from landing in croissants. Wouldn't be good. But Emily definitely got the sound effects right.

Angelo

Some croissants would compress, but there also be croissant displacement. I agree with the people who equate it to a foam pit. The only real issue is the height. I don't know it anything could keep you safe from a 100ft fall. Except maybe an airplane seat, luck, and a jungle canopy.

nvsblty

we need a mixed bag cousin alignment chart

Shawn Blarg

As someone who's been playing online games for years, hard disagree on the digital dice not telling their stories.

Lyndis Cealin

I entered the croissant question to 'what if' from xkcd. I will let you know if the question ever gets answered.

Eden Hill

there does exist somewhere online a list compiled of book recs from emily throughout naddpod eps. idk about everyone else though. i found it with a quick search 👍

uh

That makes since to bad they didnt specifiy :(

ananarama

The idea of someone jumping off a 10 story building (roughly 100 ft) is terrifying no matter what the pool is filled with

AlbireoRising

Also a physics teacher - I was just testing out a new impulse lab at work today. Using work/loss, the 30ft pool would give you about 3g of acceleration if it slowed you down to a stop right at the end. That's probably survivable. (If croissants work that way obvs)

Branchy

murph would like for you to drink a lake

Jay

Maybe they just need more time to attune themselves to you than physical dice, but I agree, digital dice absolutely do have stories to tell

Jonathan Blight

Ok but we are glazing over the word "across" in the spell. It's for moving parallel to the water, not falling into it.

Quincy Collins

What if it was a giant tube also 100 ft long filled with croissants so that it would slow the rate of your descent like how skydivers get cushioned by branches? That’s the only way I can envision it working

Smurrosaur

🥐 Went down a rabbit hole, thought I’d share. I fear that everyone saying a 100 ft jump into anything will destroy you are wrong. [obligatory trained professionals, do not try this at home warning] The standard men’s high dive is 89 ft, the world record cliff dive is 192 ft. The world record cliff jump into snow is 255 ft, which, is kinda making it sound like those air pockets are important. Speaking of air, stuntmen can safely jump onto airbags from ~200 ft but the world record jump onto air bag is 342 ft. There’s a flight attendant that fell from 33,000 ft after the plane exploded and survived, but she was obviously Quite Injured. However, there’s also at least one guy who jumped from 125,000 ft, no parachute, successfully landing in a (special) net. And what’s a croissant but a special net? I tried looking up novelty record jumps into other random objects but had no luck and am taking the internet away from myself now. So tl;dr: I think *some people* could jump into croissants and be fine, but the average dummy/person in the “I moved my head slightly too fast and threw out my back” age bracket (👉me) should probably back away from the diving board. Anyway, I’m off to go touch some grass (carefully, with no sudden movements) ✌️❤️🥐

Noah Muruve

This croissant question is way more complicated than I originally thought. To get an accurate answer you have to consider: - croissant displacement as a function of depth (at the top of the pool, croissants will fly all over the place but as you go deeper they will be more likely to stay in place) - croissant energy absorption through the entire smooshing process (it’s likely some exponential function) - croissant packing density - the fact that as you go deeper, the weight of the upper level of croissants pre-smooshes the lower levels, reducing their ability to absorb the jumper’s kinetic energy. Eventually, in an infinitely deep croissant pool, there would be a floor where the croissants are fully crushed by the weight of the croissants above them). I think the only way to solve this is with a full on sim. Idk what SW, if any, can handle this lol I’m not a mech Eng though so don’t spend too much time simulating physical systems. Maybe this SW is readily available.

Sven

Murph, you gotta take the tiny L

Terrell Swanson

I am an engineer. The croissants are better. Murph was so close with that example of the crumple zone on a car, but he incorrectly translated it to croissants. The goal of crumple zones is to increase how long it take for an impact to be transferred between two objects which means that the deceleration takes longer or that it happens over a greater distance. Let's consider a landing in each of the two extreme landing positions, feet first and body slam. In the case of landing in water or on concrete, those can both be considered to be incompressible. Concrete doesn't budge at all so the impact is instant or over a short distance and a landing on the belly or the feet would be disastrous. Water is also incompressible, but it's a liquid so it can move, however, in a high speed collision the water molecules move very slowly relative to your body and it makes very little difference if the impact force is spread out because the more water that has to move, the longer it takes. Landing on water feet first is much better because less water has to move and you can slip between the water molecules. The croissants would act similarly to the crumple zone on a car and because they would slow your fall in a similar way with crumpling rather than with drag which is what would happen in water you would want to spread your force out as much as possible rather than try to slip through so a belly flop would be the safest option. Murph is right that as they crumple they would harden, but that's not a bad thing, that means that the rate of deceleration would increase as you slow and you would gradually slow to a stop. The depth of the pool needs to be considered here as it does with the water because if it's too shallow there isn't enough sponge to slow you before stopping. Essentially, the croissants would act like a giant airbag like the ones Nitro Circus uses for practice if the pile was big enough and it would be more effective than water at slowing you down and keeping you alive. Murph should look up videos of people falling far distances onto cardboard boxes because that's a similar principle.

Freddie Meraw

Yeaaaah Murph’s wrong. I am an engineer and an endlessly deep pile of croissants is a SIGNIFICANTLY safer landing pad than water. Honestly it probably ranks pretty high among literally all substances, almost certainly the best among baked goods at least! I cannot wait to hear Murph’s reaction to this comment section

Stansky

That's a reasonable analogy, but in order to say anything definite, you would need to know at least one cushioning curve for croissants. If you had that, you could extrapolate the curve of a pool full of croissants by modeling them as a homogeneous deforming foam that has a roughly uniform energy absorption capacity. What drives me insane is that I cannot find ANYTHING in the literature that describes the mechanical measurements of a Costco croissant's impact absorption capacity, so we don't have the first cushioning curve to extrapolate the rest. Check out this paper for a good intro to cushion curves. Márton Tomin, Márton Áron Lengyel, Richárd Dominik Párizs, Ákos Kmetty, Measuring and mathematical modeling of cushion curves for polymeric foams, Polymer Testing, Volume 117, 2023, 107837, ISSN 0142-9418,

Kat !

fucking. at the gym and they said the words "jorkle horkle" thats a one hit KO. I look like an idiot here laughing with my headphones on. thank you that was hilarious

Chris Pareago

Theres not a fucking chance its possible to jump 100 feet into any baked goods and survive

Matthias Gutscher

I was hoping someone could technically explain the thing I intuitively understood. Thanks Terrell!

Noah James Perito

The landing sounds possible but how do you get out without buoyancy? How deep do you go???

Braxton Kinsey

I would listen to an entire series of Dark Knight Halloween Town DM-ing where the gang tries to play the session and wiggle out of Murph continually trying to kill them. Had me cracking up the whole time.

The Overthinker

I agree with Emily about the croissant landing pad.

Thaumastocheir

Not trying to be funny but Murph is wrong. A 100 ft fall doesn't put you anywhere near close to terminal velocity and so long as there where enough croissants, they would decelerate the fall more than enough for a safe landing. If you don't fall in a weird position you probably wouldn't even get hurt.

Alex Wicks

I can’t believe Murph doesn’t know they aren’t toasted! SMH soooo embarrassing.

drmimms

Wait -- I think with Water Walk, they would fall right through anyway: "An affected target must take a Bonus Action to pass from the liquid’s surface into the liquid itself and vice versa, but if the target falls into the liquid, the target passes through the surface into the liquid below." (from the DMG) (Also this ep was so funny 🤣)

Fyco

My calculations are in your email for the 100 foot Costco croissant dive. But TL/DR, sadly Murph is wrong. Negating suffocation, it is survivable.

StarsPaw-Pawn

BIG D&D movie energy on this one 😂😂😂

Mr. Dude Sky

If it’s Dark souls Halloween town doesn’t that mean death is off the table? Death doesn’t mean much in those games. Sorry Murph you’re gonna have to take the tiny L on this one.

HotTubSoup

The restaurant idea gives big Dave the Diver energy and I think I found my new campaign idea.

alyssa

Thank you for this 😭. I know enough to know all of this is the case, but not enough to be able to explain it this way. I’m grateful someone else did so I can argue this irl hahaha 🖤

picsofish

Yeah as much as I love NADDPOD in its entirety, IDK what they're on about with that take considering the fact that I'd say online DND games probably outnumber IRL games at least 3:1 if not more nowadays. Does rolling real dice feel much more profound? Absolutely. But a game with 100% digital dice rolling is still gonna have plenty of story to tell. Feels kind of uncalled for to diminish the magic of the majority* of modern DND games. *= assuming the amount of online games is larger than irl. Which feels pretty reasonable as someone who has played plenty irl but is also in 4 online campaigns... EDIT: not saying that more people PREFER online to IRL... I still prefer IRL DND, but that doesn't mean you can play multiple IRL games with people halfway across the world every week just because it's "better" that way. IRL DND is not "real" DND and online DND is not "fake". Preference has nothing to do with practicality. And sometimes certain online games can be a lot more magical than certain irl ones. If I could be sitting around rolling real dice in person with the real people I play with online that would be cool but that's completely beyond the point.

Derek

Didn’t know Murph was such a baby. Croissants talk exposed him. You’d be fine

Ronnie Shores

Emily pleading saying "If it isnt toasted" has me cackling at work!

Cameron LaMack

@Wouter Despite a whole dissertation on some mechanical and material properties of various bread products (Federica Balestra. "Empirical and fundamental mechanical tests in the evaluation of dough and bread rheological properties."), there's a disappointing lack of research of Butter-based croissants, given that Costco uses an all-butter recipe as opposed the seemingly more traditional shortenings.

Jack

You would die so incredibly fast diving into croissants

Zach Hall

Can't believe nobody posed a hypothetical about the outcome of having croissant walk cast on them

Laura Balan

The croissant conversation had me and my fiance arguing our whole 7 hour drive. Team Emily!!

Suyash Raj

Ok I'm pretty sure you'd survive but rather than try to use AI that will just halluciate a solution. I'm making a simulation in blender of a guy falling into a pool of croissants and seeing if they'll survive. I'll try messing with the depth of the croissant pool and see if that changes if they survive or not. I'll update on progress as my computer struggles to simulate 1000 croissants filling the pool lol. Also I'm a biologist so also just take everything I'm doing with a grain of salt

Daniel Kishen

As long as the pool is deep enough that the croissants compressing against the bottom isn’t a factor, I’m pretty sure you’d be perfectly fine. I feel like there’s not a lot of better foods you could pick that are natural air bags, which is yknow, what we use to reduce impact

Quantum OFZENTRIX

Dark souls halloweentown had edgelord blood hunter energy

Bahruke Thunderhelm, 5th generation minotaur working as an abandoned labyrinth tour guide

Absent DM in the Wizard/Ranger case!! Where was this DM? Did the wizard run this by the DM and they decided to hide it from the ranger? Why? Even if the character isn’t supposed to know, the player should, so they can be prepared. Wizard came up with a bad plan and presumably this DM okay’d it. Otherwise, they’re even worse for not stepping in and stopping this. Hold DMs accountable, Murph

Poonter

Sorry, Murph. You're wrong on this one. It's about density. Water is far more dense than croissants. Croissants are mostly air. We can all agree that toasted croissants = death

Angus Hines

I normally agree with Murph, but he's way off base with the croissant thing. It was be 100x safer than water. Depending on how deep the pool is, it would be fairly safe honestly.

Angus Hines

You don't go through the croissants (which is Murphs strawman), the croissants collapse underneath you. It's literally a crumpoe zone in a car.

Angus Hines

Murphs argument about penetrating through the croissants doesn't really make sense. If you had a pool full of small soft pillows, you wouldn't shoot through them either but it would be quite safe

Bat-Fran

Look .... All I'm saying is dropout need to give these guys a sketch show again... Just 7 minutes skits build from dungeon court.... I just... Really want to see Murph, dressed as batman, buralising his players 😂😂😂

Ben

I want them to do a one shot in Dark Souls Halloween Town

katie potato

I cant explain how much I love the concept of a NADDPOD x Taskmaster crossover

Dylan Koss

I’ve gone down a rabbit hole hoping my chemical engineering background and pastry chef experience could combine to approximate a croissant as a low density foam a la “A Multiscale Fractal Approach for Determining Cushioning Curves of Low-Density Polymer Foams ” but I fear I lack the equipment to test even a low sample size of croissants to start. Never expected to do this much maths from a DnD podcast, did you? Great reference above btw!

Witpending

The only way to get to the bottom of this is to drop a basketball 100 feet into a pool of croissants, since basketballs, as we know, are like people

John P.

I’m actually an airbag scientist, we invented a croissant air bag that was 100x more effective than normal air bags. Unfortunately, the air bag lobbyists will never let it see the light of day

Kizzy

This sounds awesome, please report back

Kizzy

Yes!!! So true there is a gap in the literature here that needs further study

Dylan

The croissant discussion is exactly why i pay for this patron thank you for this

Stephen

Considering croissants are mostly air it really becomes a question of how deep the pool is. Because a croissant is basically an edible foam cube and foam pits are perfectly safe to jump into

robthlz

Having jumped into foam pits before, I think croissants would be pretty safe to fall into Probably not very comfortable though

Jaime Weaver

Joana’s eggs on dungeon court was not on my bingo card

Jaime Weaver

I like how Caldwells frame of reference for rehabilitating the dragon with a broken wing was somehow the Rescuers and not How to Train your Dragon

Sam

Also I can’t believe Mr. “I Ate A Croissant A Day For Years” didn’t bring up his vast boots on the ground croissant knowledge and experience. Cowardly yet modest

King Wonderbread

So... Short answer is technically you could. Long answer is more like, what are the dimensions of the pile/vessel containing the croissants? Basically if you could fill a pool the width and breadth of a catch net and make it twice as deep as it would have to be to catch you from a free-fall. BUT, the size of the croissants would also have to be bigger to make the space between them bigger to allow you to get slowed down at a rate that wouldnt just make the bread squish into a solid. Think about how much of a croissant you could push into a 1/2" socket before you can't fit anymore and it starts to push back out. You need enough empty space to accommodate your body entering the vessel so the croissants don't squeeze you back. But 100 feet into water people have literally done this week all over the world.(Probably not all of them are fine, I haven't checked)

Wylliam

This is the best episode. congrats guys, have fun in retirement.

E.E. Gads

I never realized that Murph is actually the only sane one out of them until today

Robert Stegmann

They could probably get Hank Green to answer the croissant debate

Emily

The real looney toons question is how hard are the croissants? Are they all freshly from the oven and had a chance to cool so they’re not too hot nor too cold? Or are they all from a week long sit in a Starbucks display case with a tiny bit of mold? Will there be music playing or just the sound of Murphys protests? And also are the croissants plain or buttered? Is the butter vegan? Will there be a lifeguard and first aid or will these be on private property? And is bugs bunny taking notes? These questions plus about how big and long the pool is should answer the question: can you survive a 100 ft dive into a pool of croissants?

Stuart Everett

I'm probably way late, but i thought i offer some thoughts/calculations regarding your croissant debate... y'all had me laughing so hard as I drove home from the grocery store that I thought I was going to have to pull over for the safety of the general public! 😂 First off, I'm coming right out and siding with Murph - as a rock climber, i've looked at 100 foot drops and ain't nobody with any sense jumping from that height into anything! That being said, Emily's faith in the air pockets of her beloved croissant left me wondering... would they save you? I'm a chemical engineer by education but I did have to take 3 years of physics plus Statics and Dynamics classes (back when y'all were little). If a 100 pound person (like Emily) fell from a 100 foot height, she would have 10,000 foot-pounds of Kenetic Energy when she hit the croissants. (The fall would take just under 2.5 seconds and she'd be moving 54 miles per hour). A foot-pound is the energy it takes to lift one pound one foot off the ground. So experiencing 1 foot-pound would be like dropping a 1 pound weight from 1 foot high. 10 foot pounds would be like dropping 1 pound from 10 feet high OR 10 pounds from 1 foot high... ergo, 10,000 foot-pounds is similar to dropping 1,000 pounds from a 10 foot height. (Let's put a pin in that) The Impact force exerted on a stopping object (Emily) is calculated by dividing the Kenetic energy (10,000 foot-pounds) by the stopping distance. So, if a 10 foot deep swimming pool were filled with croissants (or water or packing peanuts) and whatever you landed on stopped you RIGHT as you reached the bottom... you'd experience 1,000 pounds of force. (10,000 divided by 10) Something that weighs about 1,000 pounds (that Emily might be familiar with) is a Steinway model D Grand piano. Therefore, if Em is comfortable with someone lowering a Steinway Grand piano down on top of her as she lays on the floor and then cutting the rope, she's probably ready to jump? Personally, I'd pass. Ultimately, the question could boil down to "do you trust 10 feet of croissants to save you from a falling grand piano?" Regardless of whether y'all use these calculations s on the air, thanks for the laughs and the wonderful years of entertainment 🥰... been a listener and patreon member since September 2020. Saw y'all in Savanah Gerogia and had a great time. Keep on doing what y'all do!

sjmokey

I hope Caldwell got to see Avatar 3 because it has way more Spider in it than the others.

Austin Wiggin

Jake unleashes the cultist voice from skaldova at 38:00, its my favorite

RobTheFarm

That's assuming it's only a 10ft pool of croissants. I'd say the only thing you're missing is the give of the materials. If you look at how long it would take to come to a stop with the different materials, independent of length of stop, you'll see that water (incompressible ) is a lot harder than croissants (delectable). To be fair, that means much more than 10 ft deep.

Oscar Dekker

I am am doing my maaters in physics, and to be honest, I think the croissants are so compressable, that in a large enough tub (croissant ocean??) They would take the fall. Hay is much safer than whater at some point as well, and I think that croissants and hay are close in structure

Hannah

The backwards kangol…did you know about the jfk jr show

Obed Pacheco

Young Black Dragon with a broken wing you say? ....queues up Blackbird by the Beatles for the montage of the party nursing the dragon's broken wing ending in them riding it off into the night For the "there's always a bigger fish" scenario. Dude, you should've rolled with it and just added an even bigger, bigger monster that ate the bigger one! ...and then had it also swallow up the party and then have them fight inside the bigger-bigger one with some interesting environmental/terrain situations, and then the death of the bigger one causes it the bigger-bigger one to throw up and become disinterested and leave the party covered in throw up. For the Inn campaign. I'd recommend some of the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist resources as that campaign revolves around the party having an inn/tavern that they run. The official module has a good bit of resources, but there's a lot of 3rd party publications that expound the tavern-running aspect of it all.

Darkrisky

Am I the only one who doesn’t remember a dragon in The Rescuers?

Fxd Gear Queer

Jumping 100 feet into anything is never going to be comfortable or safe for the average person. A deep foam pit full of croissants might be one of the less terrible options. The deciding factor is probably how squished the croissants at the bottom are by the weight on top. As is often the case, Murph is talking loudly and confidently out of his ass 😅

Fxd Gear Queer

Hey, weird question if I may: is your handle based on the Wayfarers character?

LBCW

Too stupid... funny but I am distracted by lack of understanding of physics

Chaini

To be fair, a final destination style campaign where everything is trying to kill you in weird and random ways could be extremely fun