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D&D Court: Bonus Cases - A Quick Make-Out Sesh (w/ Ify Nwadiwe) (Patreon)

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2023-06-09 21:23:35
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2023-06-09 21:54:29
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Dungeon Court is STILL in session! Join Justices Murphy, Tanner and Nwadiwe, as well as as the Miserable Wifeworm Emily Axford, as they continue to pass judgement on your trials at the table!

Content Warning: LOTS of mouth sounds in this one, gang. Enjoy!

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Sound Mixing and Editing by Trevor Lyon

Dungeon Court Theme Song by Sam Weiller

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saurphia (edited)

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2026-09-05 07:00 YAY thank you wifeworm & co. for making my three and a half hour bus ride much better <3
2023-06-09 21:52 YAY thank you wifeworm & co. for making my three and a half hour bus ride much better <3

YAY thank you wifeworm & co. for making my three and a half hour bus ride much better <3

FusRohNahSon

"My little brother is 2 years older" isnt confusing she is dunking on him being shorter yall made that waaaaaay to complex

Positive Nerdery

R.A. Salvatore Up killed me. I think Caldwell and I share a brain.

Armadon the only

I am surprised Murph didn’t defend the dragon being taught a more peaceful nature, Considering his own NPCs

Jacob B.

Caught at the perfect timing where I watched all of Escape from Bloodkeep and Shriek Week just to see more Ify Nwadiwe

Impish

this kind of wet snake audio is exactly what i pay $5 a month for

Ilana Galpert (edited)

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2026-09-05 07:00 Iffy saying he makes "anime moments" happen sometimes by fudging some things--it seemed like he expected the naddpod crew to jump in like "yeah we do that for dimension 20." Instead he got an awkward pause and a cautious "really?" from Emily. sooooooo funny lol (Iffy we love you and I'll never forget you eating minotaur ass on monster high)
2023-06-09 22:29 Ify saying he makes "anime moments" happen sometimes by fudging some things--it seemed like he expected the naddpod crew to jump in like "yeah we do that for dimension 20." Instead he got an awkward pause and a cautious "really?" from Emily. sooooooo funny lol (Ify we love you and I'll never forget you eating minotaur ass on monster high)

Ify saying he makes "anime moments" happen sometimes by fudging some things--it seemed like he expected the naddpod crew to jump in like "yeah we do that for dimension 20." Instead he got an awkward pause and a cautious "really?" from Emily. sooooooo funny lol (Ify we love you and I'll never forget you eating minotaur ass on monster high)

Robert

A wolf with Cloud’s hair is basically Lycanroc from Pokémon

Pamphleteer

Holy shit I got too drunk when dming once and the next session my players were really excited about the magic boat I gave them and my mind was 100% blank

Matt Hartt

I need a 10 hour version of Murphy trying to talk over the sounds of a quick, breathy makeout

DemonLordSparda

Yeah it's not like this didn't happen recently with that bully Crick Elf and Glenn. Murph even stopped a short rest to say that sometimes people are just bad. No chance for Glenn to reflect on the damage he did and try to walk a better path even if almost no one forgives him. Don't bother with an attempt at nuance. Glenns pathetic and he's gone now. This baby dragon who tried to mimic what it was taught but probably didn't get what it did wrong, clearly the DM wanted it to be evil. No one acknowledged the DM had them roll to correct the situation and stated there were several bad rolls. Similar to what nearly happened back in Moonstone and Beverly Mishka Pawoaw the Third. Even in combat they could do non lethal damage to this dragon and try to train it. I agree the communication of risks could've been communicated better. However you wanted to have a dragon kid but left it home alone. They're called formative years for a reason. I just don't get why they went in on the DM so hard. Felt like a bizarre double standard. Also weird that Iffy implied everyone fudges rolls which means he does it a lot.

MrMach6

White dragons are pointedly the most animalistic, predatory and inherently savage dragons in D&amp;D. We know they were playing in the Forgotten Realms because it was Storm King’s Thunder. Whether someone else as a DM would have let them tame the dragon is irrelevant; the DM was fully within their lore rights to straight up tell the player that taming this white dragon was an impossibility. There are extensive and referencable records in this setting that reinforce the idea that raising a true dragon against its nature is a fool’s errand 99% of the time, and the other 1% is painstakingly and attentively done over the span of decades by mortals of truly exceptional power and skill.

Eric Olberding

I could see everyone doing it but Emily, then her being all "Guys, I could've been doing this the whole tiiiime!"

Dave (edited)

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2026-09-05 07:00 My approach to "always evil" species in D&amp;D is to basically make them psychopaths. When you talk to an IRL psychopath, they will tell you that they've just never had any capacity for empathy and AT BEST have spent their entire life faking it in order to be able to function within polite society. They can behave "good," but it will never be coming from the heart. It's never out of concern or love in their hearts which isn't a sort of selfish and possessive sort of love. And this is just a matter of their biology being different than the rest of us. Their brains are wired different. Species like white dragons are like this. They simply do not care about causing suffering and never will because their brain does not have that neural pathway. Their natural inclination is towards evil. It's possible to teach them to want to act good. You could convince them it's to their best interest to have pro-social behaviours. You could raise them with the idea that getting along with people and conforming to the social contract will make its life better. But the moment it decides that it finds an exception to that rule, look out!
2023-06-10 11:22 My approach to "always evil" species in D&D is to basically make them psychopaths. When you talk to an IRL psychopath, they will tell you that they've just never had any capacity for empathy and AT BEST have spent their entire life faking it in order to be able to function within polite society. They can behave "good," but it will never be coming from the heart. It's never out of concern or love in their hearts which isn't a sort of selfish and possessive sort of love. And this is just a matter of their biology being different than the rest of us. Their brains are wired different. Species like white dragons are like this. They simply do not care about causing suffering and never will because their brain does not have that neural pathway. Their natural inclination is towards evil. It's possible to teach them to want to act good. You could convince them it's to their best interest to have pro-social behaviours. You could raise them with the idea that getting along with people and conforming to the social contract will make its life better. But the moment it decides that it finds an exception to that rule, look out!

My approach to "always evil" species in D&D is to basically make them psychopaths. When you talk to an IRL psychopath, they will tell you that they've just never had any capacity for empathy and AT BEST have spent their entire life faking it in order to be able to function within polite society. They can behave "good," but it will never be coming from the heart. It's never out of concern or love in their hearts which isn't a sort of selfish and possessive sort of love. And this is just a matter of their biology being different than the rest of us. Their brains are wired different. Species like white dragons are like this. They simply do not care about causing suffering and never will because their brain does not have that neural pathway. Their natural inclination is towards evil. It's possible to teach them to want to act good. You could convince them it's to their best interest to have pro-social behaviours. You could raise them with the idea that getting along with people and conforming to the social contract will make its life better. But the moment it decides that it finds an exception to that rule, look out!

Cameron Petti

One thing missing in the White Dragon's Plight case was that the question asker *did* mention that the final straw encounter was based on some "very bad roles from an otherwise persuasive group". So it sounds like the players were at least rolling in this final encounter to determine how the dragon reacted to them and it wasn't *entirely* based on the DM's will. Plus, apparently, it was *the other players* that were telling this monk that the dragon was a feral animal and the DM was supporting them, so it sounds like maybe the DM was reading the room and trying to just get past this choice of a sorta selfish player that no one else liked. Another small detail, the question asker said that the dragon had frozen *creatures* so maybe it wasn't as villainous and logistically confusing as freezing humans, just some rats or whatever. Something else I think was a bit glossed over was that the player was told over multiple sessions that this was a feral, un-pet-makeable animal, insisted on trying anyway, and when it backfired, they straight up canceled the game by leaving halfway through. Now *that's* wild and feral behavior. Ultimately, were I the DM, I probably would have gone with Murph's solution and with three entire weeks left unattended, just had the dragon wreck their shit and fly away for some later appearance down the road, leaving some frozen rats as a nod to the sculptures. If there were a Luck Point Appeals Court, however, I think there's a strong case in your favor, DM.

Eli

It's a shame Jake wasn't on this episode - someone should splice Murph's ruling on the tall elf with Murph saying that Hardwon's reincarnation wasn't allowed to be as tall because he was now a half-elf.

Allie B.

I would have let that player have a tall elf but then make all the elves the “actual” height so he’s some interesting outlier that everyone comments on

emjaybee_3

The mouth sounds are an absolute fucking nightmare.

November Snow

Re:"if they can learn sign language they can use a knife" unfortunately monkeys cannot learn sign language. The past attempts of forcing monkeys and apes to use sign language have all been from people who saw sign languages as a lesser form of communication and didn't actually know any. The experiments were based on ableist understanding of deaf culture where the researchers basically saw ASL as a random collection of gestures instead of a language with its own grammar. So when the animals made random gestures, some which seemed similar to signs, they proclaimed success. When people who actually know ASL interacted with these animals, they witnessed no grammar or understanding of meaning connected to the gestures.

Clever Innuendo

My feed is glitches! I can play this one, but the main ep doesn't even have a time code on it.

DC

Ify had some really funny and sage takes. The 'Becky With the Good Hair' patron is perfect, and I too would have clapped that octopus druid. His peek behind the curtain about fudged rolls has maybe ruined my relationship with actual play, though? It sounds dramatic, but it took me so long to relax and trust in the 'actual' part of actual play. Now my brain has evidence that fudging DOES happen sometimes and I'm right back to doubting everything again. I want to think that I can still trust IRL paladin Murph and a few others, but I'm not the best at judging these sorts of things so...I just don't know anymore.

William Bowen

So funny Ify bringing up the new mtg set because I was just looking at spoilers for it. The 4c Aragorn looks hype.

Peydon Bush

Y'all cannot have enough Iffy on here

Matthew Nardozza

I just wanna say, there's a Final Fantasy Pathfinder system where a wolf TOTALY can strap a buster sword to his back and charge demons to death.

Cory P

The dm gave them rolls for the wyrmling and they rolled poorly.

Hyena

Thinking of that news story about a monkey last year that ran around Brazil sharpening a giant kitchen knife on rooftops, that pcs monkey absolutely should’ve been allowed to wield a knife

Jack el destripador

I think I speak for us all when I say we need more Ify on NADDPOD

BumblingRose

So slurpy. So gross. Yet so funny. Iffy is awesome. Best wishes to the lowly absent Jake (and the magnificent Jill ) but he better be greasing those supreme Crit Justice’s palms to hold his job with the likes of these guests.

tonytheoneandonly

that "do they ball?" joke from Cladwell at 3 mins is maybe one of his best jokes ever 🤣

Jaden Saied

If the tall elf ever goes back to his people, make him the runt of his home town.

Gearbox

Man ya'll, the dragon case is the most ungenerous read for this poor dm. It was a good villainously ironic twist, and the pcs even failed rolls to get the dragon to stop, and the player overreacted. If we punish the dm for this, their lesson is "always let the pcs do whatever they want, less they threaten the entire game with their presence"

Moonlit Ghost

My little brother is a solid 4 inches taller than I am but he knows full well how quickly I can drop him. He knows who the bigger brother is😆

An_Armed_Bear

I feel like the point of that first question was the brother was constantly being a stickler for following Forgotten Realms lore, and then showed up with an elf that's way too tall and tried to justify it with Tolkien.

Crits

It's a touch ironic to call it the most ungenerous read then make your lesson the most ungenerous read isnt it lol

MeekoCHAOS The Raccoon Boi

Every elf saying how's the weather up there in the most regal way possible is all I could think of instead of them being fascinated by them

Fin Stockton

I can’t express how hard I laughed at Ify saying “I’ve seen a monkey love” so earnestly and wistfully

SJ Faubert

It's a bad day to have misophonia, gang. xD Would love to see more Ify on NADDPOD! He's got a fresh perspective and is so funny.

Ian Reilly

I’m baffled by the rulings for the Dragon Wyrmling case. Absolutely insane read.

Gabriel O.

They missed that the party failed a bunch of persuasion checks on the dragon!

Birdie

I think the fact that the NADDPOD crew was surprised goes to show this isn’t common. Perhaps Ify does this in home games, but there’s so many trolls out there that call out Emily or whomever if they do something “wrong” that I doubt it’s common. People lore-check Matt on CR, they’ve called out Emily for using a feature that’s a bonus action and doing two bonus actions (accidentally) in one turn. Everyone makes mistakes, but I think there’s too many people out there keeping track that doing that would be a nightmare.

Jack Parsons

It comes up so much in my games I'm gonna say it hear! To the white dragon pet wanter and any dm who inevitably has a player who wants a pet, there are 3 types of pet. I lay these out every time a pet option shows up. 1. Toy pet, this is a creature that you have as a pet, it cannot mechanically effect the game and is invincible, you can flavor anything you do within the rules of the game or role play to involve it, all rolls come from you as though you are doing it, it can't be places you aren't. 2. Familiar pet, you have the find Familiar spell through feat or class the Familiar becomes flavored like the pet you got but mechanically follows the rules of the spell and the creatures you have available to you with it. 3. Other pet, these pets are run by the dm, can die and are ultimately at my discretion to control, you can persuade the Xorn or wolf or falcon to help you and be your little buddy but they're gonna act like how that creature acts and your decisions could put them in danger! TL;DR let your players have pets, but give them the terms upfront!

Seasquidley

We prostrate ourselves before the benevolent wife worm!

Eryn Bennington

my fear of mouth noises made this episode torture luckily im a masochistic

bibibirdy

Emily at the very end made me audibly scream

Katie Warren

I'm so excited that Ify is on the pod! I've been saving these episodes to listen to for a day when I wouldn't be interrupted and its finally here!!!

Jorde

naddpod I need you so bad tonight

Shopping Dog

Caldwell absolutely losing his mind early on in this one lmao

Eric Guajardo

inject a new episodes straight into me pls daddy

Jen Smells Peaches

I BESEECH you for content warnings, for misophonia. (The sound of slurping makes my anxiety spike and my heart pound, in a really bad way.) Love y’all infinitely, I know you’re not slurping with malice.

DC

I too have misophonia and mouth sounds make me for real, this-is-not-a-bit angry. So I feel you. There's a content warning in the description, though, and I remember it being there when I listened a few days ago. Seems reasonable to me?

Kacie Bingham

Caldwell's absolutely insane laugh at Ify's "Salvatore-up" was SO similar to my own when I heard it that I just feel SEEN.

Dr. Bearkele

Wolf with a Buster Sword aka Sif from Dark Souls?

Matt

Related to the concept of elves height variance, my head canon of the crick elves with the exception of Moonshine and her mom is that all of the other crick elves are roughly the size of Kokiri children from ocarina of time and that they are born in litters. Something about the names Cooter and Petrie elicit short little mischievous asshole vibes.

William beachus

Anouther classic siding with the wrong person because they didn’t pay attention to part of the prompt, the basement dragon didn’t attack the party until after some rolls to calm it down failed and it lashed out, as well as while chromatic dragons can talk white dragons are known to be the most feral in their description.

Hunter Wright

Exactly. And what happened to "whatever the DM says is final?" If in their world dragons are inherently evil, then that should be the end of it.

Hunter Wright

Add to that the researchers claiming their apes could "speak" were also completely obsessed with their specific ape. They were usually treated like children, including setting up play dates with human children. They WANTED the apes to be people, so they worked backwards from their conclusion that the apes "must" be smart enough, so any sign was given the most generous read possible (which as you allude to, asking for food or pets over and over again is not speech. Your dog does the same the only difference is the amount of dexterity in their fingers). That super cut up video of Koko "talking" about climate change is disgusting. It's so clearly obvious from the video that she isn't forming coherent sentences and is just making random signs... and how would a gorilla have any grasp of world politics? Just completely insane.

Kaileigh Rose

I think they meant rolls throughout the time they had the dragon not just during that moment.

Donovan Phillips

Getting caught up on naddpod rn so I know this is late, but Ify was so funny and I hope he comes back more often!

Em

can't believe this only child ruling... @ whoever wants to give their LITTLE brother a cursed item to make them shorter: i support you, you are the hero of this story, perpetuate the pettiness, your brother should never make you read books

Andrewcol (edited)

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2026-09-05 07:00 On the white dragon, I feel like the justices really chose to ignore a lot of important factors. They left it alone for three weeks, ignored all of the DM nudges, AND the two players who quit over it were overreacting. A fair reaction would’ve been to message the DM when this was all starting to say “hey, this isn’t the vision I have for this, can we talk it over”, not to let it play out and then rage quit that it didn’t work. Submissions are short! It seems like a fair read is that this DM was giving these players a lot of leniency to try this thing they had expressed was impossible, and once they stopped giving it active attention decided to have it punish that choice. Don’t leave a lion alone in your house!
2023-07-14 13:54

EmperorGreed

Especially, the corpse ice sculptures is something white dragons legit do, it's not suddenly serial killer it's the base nature they'd established

Rafael C

I'm late but I wanna comment that I agree with y'alls ruling on the White Dragon case. Regardless of lore or biology and stuff, it was clear that the DM and the other players immediately shot down the idea of that one player even attempting to keep it as a pet and raise it, even if they entertained that PCs attempts at training it, it felt like instead of acknowledging the possibility and developing decent mechanics for it along w the player, that DM let them do some rolls cause denying it outright would've been bad DMing, while still not giving any actual consideration to the possibility of them taming it, and ended up accidentally creating some false hope. I don't think the player should've had it forever had they succeeded, since of course that would be extremely overpowered, but the DM could've always just set up an arc of "if you love it let it go" once it reached maturity, or even like they said, had it escape and then have the party search for it in order to take responsability both for the damage it could cause and its own wellbeing. Or put it in danger/have it get kidnapped/stolen/poached and have the party rescue it. I also don't think that player wanting to have fun is as selfish as some comments put it; and in the case of the world being more sober like Game of Thrones or something, there's always the (d20 ACOC SPOILERS) Saccharina-Cinnamon precedent, in which Brennan did make the dragon have a destructive, hard to control nature, along with some very real consequences to go with it. Still, even though I'm of this opinion, I don't think it was malicious of the DM or anything like that, it just so happens that they could've handled the situation better than they did, had they had more experience, and had they put more consideration into it. (Sorry for the long comment,,, just felt like the player got dealt a bad hand when it didn't seem like they were making any serious infraction on the rest of the table's enjoyment)

Myc Giaco

Thank you for your absolution clergy members, my soul is now unburdened

Kristen Fon Lim

Lol I know I’m very late to the convo, but there’s def documentation of bonobos using sharpened sticks as spears to hunt bush babies, and chimpanzees have been taught how to use a kitchen knife for dicing

Kyle Harmon

I was thinking Amaterasu from Okami!

Emily's Autumn Apple #NotFuji

As someone who is substantially taller than my older brother, the correct way to describe it is "My Big, Little Brother"!!

Quantum OFZENTRIX

One time my dm got drink on near and I had to give him a run down on what happened two days later. I was tempted to say we levelled up but I acted honourabl y. We still laugh about it to this day

Jacob (edited)

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2026-09-05 07:00 My Vietnamese grandmother said that we must never trust monkeys as pets. In her village there was a monkey kept by the butcher who watched her chop meat day after day, and when she brought home her new baby that monkey dismembered it with the cleaver as neatly and expertly as the butcher.
2024-09-02 00:42

Jay S

Part of me wants to think this is fake an applaud your grandmother for creativity, but then again my first reaction to your comment was "yeah that honestly doesn't sound too far off from the shit primates are capable of"

Wyrarollo

Late 2 conversation, I work with monkeys, those bastards (affectionate) know how to wield sharp objects and can and will use them with glee. Also it would be incredibly easy to train a monkey to stab, though they would 100% lick a knife cause they can

Cinnamon_Tea

The tiny makeout sounds were awful

Alethea Hansen

Do you mean… Dale of Waterdeep? 👀

Compound27

I don't think I've ever heard Caldwell left so hard and I am here for it LOL

AmitaiB

“Caldwell, why don’t you make us out?” was right there!

XainPhoenix

Here's the thing about the white dragon case that I can't get past. They left a dragon wyrmling alone for three weeks. That's basically like leaving a toddler or small child alone. It's not about treating it like a rabid animal. More even than an animal, sentient beings need more nurturing due to social dynamics. You can see it in orcas and the sad case of Tillikum. If you rip a sentient creature from its social group and expect it to just adapt, you have the potential to have a very emotionally unstable being. Not always but it's there. And they left it on its own for a long time, hoping a few months of training would be enough to create a stable social framework. Anyone who's been around small children who have been neglected will tell you that's kinda doubtful. I'm probably guilty of applying too much real world logic, but that's my take.