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The Wisdom Saga [UNEDITED R/A] (Patreon)

Published:
2024-08-30 12:04:20
Imported:
2026-08

Content

SO many hype moments! Hope you guys enjoy!

Comments

Mikey

"didn't expect this did you" we did. VC ppl for sure did lol

Kory Misun

I'm sorry you're melting in your armor, but it's a great look for you! PS, don't worry, Captain Meadow will let you know just who Ayron is. ;) *GASP + Cut Song Spoiler!* When Telemachus asks Athena why she's helping him, it's the same music as when Polites asks 'What keeps you up so late at night, my friend?' Anyone else remember?

ɎɄ

This armor was made for you ! Can't wait to have some free time to sit down and watch the R/A !

Chase Elmquist

I personally belive that (even though the charecters don't know it) the "Little Wolf" is a reference to Poseidon's line in Ruthlessness

lilghost

Became a Patreon so I can immediately watch this Reactions! Can't wait!

DnD Addict

So excited to watch this. I wish I wasn't stuck in work. I have been listening to the wisdom saga all morning

Kory Misun

Wolves actually run in Ody's family and might be their crest! Google's not giving me much help at the moment, but I think the previous king of Ithaca was known as a wolf as well!

Banana

Not to knowledgeable about the original story but pretty sure Odysseus's dad? or someone in his family was known as The Wolf or some similar title and so his family get referenced as wolves.

Marianamystery

I'm so ready to see Casper breaking down the music

Victoria

Mr. Jalapeño has blessed us again 🙏 🙌 truly another masterpiece

Ken Renner

Telemachus' instrument is a nylon piano and strings to connect him to his parents and athena!

PugglePug735

That is the best reaction to the time dive anyone could ever have! On another note, I completely missed that Athena motif in Legendary haha Edit: your reactions to Love In Paradise and God Games were exactly what I thought you would do when I first heard them 😁

Emma

The "THAT'S IT?!?!" Pierced my eardrums 😭😂 casper, just wait for the visuals 💜

Emma

Also also. Calypso said all the things people used to say to odysseus to try and soothe his hurt heart and 'return him to paradise'. Ody-eurylochus, stay in my heart-mother, open arms-polites. Those words used to bring him comfort and that's why calypso is saying them now.

VioletInTheNight

Pulling up to the Wisdom Saga in full Polites cosplay. Very demure. Very mindful. Just don't think about pancakes while wearing it lol

ShadowFox1412

Antinous is the lead suiter and the one Aaron voices.

Cassandre Houzé

I also don't like Aphrodite, because my favourite myth is Eros and Psyche and she's the villain in that one. But to be fair to her, she didn't ask to be married to Hephaestus, one of the gods (I think it was Zeus) just kind of offered her hand in marriage as a consolation prize and peace offering when Hephaestus was getting revenge on Hera for throwing him off of Mount Olympus. Clearly they didn't ask her opinion on this marriage thing and she had no other choice if she wanted to keep the peace. Still doesn't make it okay she keeps cheating on him with his half-brother though.

ShadowFox1412

Also Hephaestus is voiced by Jorge’s father!

Dorothy Rosenberg

Thank you for this analysis. I love your enthusiasm!

Emma

Ann-thin-you-us

Mons

Calypso is the goddess of "renowned beauty", she also controlled the seas along with Poseidon.

Cassandre Houzé

Also I don't think Calypso is a goddess per se, I believe she is a Titaness or a Titan's daughter, something along those lines, but she is immortal and I'm pretty sure she can't be killed. Neither can gods I think. But most of my knowledge on this comes from Percy Jackson and Rick Riordan so I could be totally off.

Tone87

Wisdom Saga! Wisdom Saga! Wisdom Saga! Wisdom Saga!

Cripper

calypso is a god of the sea and the ebb and flow of life

lilghost

Yup was totally Worth it! I Loved this! The Reaction was Fantastic!!! I am so looking Forward to you Reaction to the visuals!!!!!(and Telemachus is my Favorit Character I think)

luplop

Hades actually got cut in early drafts of epic

Cripper

I suspect the next saga releases in october and the final saga releases on christmas or something. it just seems like a Jorge thing to do.

Kristina [Lady Greensleeves33]

The leader of the suitors is Antinuous, and yeah the timeline is a wonky without the visuals. The canon time is 20 years that Ody is gone from Ithaca between the Trojan War and his constantly delayed journey combined - which is why I always thought it was kind of funny (or a deliberate misdirect?? Lol) that Jorge acted like it was so incorrect that time passed from 10 to 12 years between Troy to Circe/Underworld, because - it's Ancient Greece, travel time was a thing, weeks to months in certain cases, etc. According to Athena, in the 'Time Dive' as Jorge calls it, it's been almost ten years since she left him and he spent 7 years on Calypso's Island so that's still three years for the rest of Epic in between (including 'off screen' prep for The Underworld, all the travel and recovery time, etc) Edit: Hades was in an earlier draft I think haha. And Hephaestus is Jorge's father!

Anjo .

god i absolutely love calypsos voice (i have to look up who sings her) but ugh do i hate her as a character x.x keeping him on that island for 7 years....

TheTuneShifter

I believe that instrument you couldn’t identify is an electronic hammered dulcimer

Tim Wehrer

Calypso could be the goddess of tropical cocktails. And we need a full body shot of your costume, please!

xairin

lol like 30 secs into your reaction and i laughing about how epic fans have the same brain cell, i was doing the same thing shouting out the motifs i heard listening during the live lol <3

TheTuneShifter

Maybe the real Hades was the friends we made along the way.

Akea

You’re right that she is a titans daughter. Titans refer to the 12 kids of Gaia and Ouranos and some of those 12s children like Atlas who is calypso dad. It’s kind of like a generation of gods. Titans are gods but calypso doesn’t fall into the titan generation so she is a goddess but not a titaness. Sorry for nerding out lol

MJ

this is my favorite

Jaden Alexander

I cant confirm this, but think back to all the times the clock ticking motif popped up in the previous songs. Is it too far fetched to say that represents her looking in on Ody in Love in Paradise?

MildlyPerturbed

Odysseus fought in the Trojan War for 10 years, then was lost at sea for three. He spent seven years on Calypso’s island (so seven year time difference between Thunder and Wisdom saga). So it’s been 20 years in total since Odysseus has been in Ithaca. This also aligns perfectly with The Odyssey. Telemachus is now 20-21 years old.

MildlyPerturbed

It might also be a reference to Odysseus’ grandfather, Autolycus. Wolves are kind of a symbol in his family.

MildlyPerturbed

I believe that was his grandfather, Autolycus. He was a renowned thief, and Hermes’ son. Anticlea (Ody’s mom) was his daughter.

MildlyPerturbed

Ayron Alexander voices Antinous, the lead suitor. He also voices Perimedes!

draeonic 🪼

Never expected Athena's #1 hater to be so excited to hear her 😂

draeonic 🪼

Definitely deserves a headphones warning

MildlyPerturbed

The “Tell me Athena, why did you come to my aid?” in Little Wolf sounds so much like when Polites’ sings “What keeps you up so late at night my friend?” from Ismarus!

Nanao

Became a Patreon today cause I love your reactions and couldn’t wait. Didn’t get disappointed! You have the best reactions out there! Greatings from Germany! <3

MildlyPerturbed

Athena knows Telemachus is his son. She just didn’t want to reveal that left his dad alone. Especially since at that point she didn’t know what had happened to Odysseus yet.

Jacob Gaboriault

I didn't notice but she says you know you talk in your sleep that's how she knew the words open arms also calypso had a spell put on her to make her fall madly in love with anyone who washed up on her island a spell by the gods that trapped her on the island too

MildlyPerturbed

Calypso is the daughter of the Titan Atlas, which is why she’s technically a goddess.

Kaz!

You have become one of my favourite reactors, i love ur content so much the fact ur going into musicals makes me so happy as i feel like there isnt alot of reaction content on them anymore plus i enjoy learning music stuff while watching you

MildlyPerturbed

Jorge actually said Hades was originally going to be in god games, but he was cut. You can actually find Hades’ cut verse on Jorge’s Patreon. Hades was also not in The Odyssey. Only Persephone is mentioned.

Basilily

Hades waa actually in the early drafts of epic in god games but was cut due how out of place his section was. You can hear the full snippet of it in the epic patreon!!

Siren

MICO(Telemachus) kinda blew up on tiktok a bit ago for sounding like Brendon Urie, and made a few covers of P!ATD songs- so you saying that he sounded like Brendon Urie broke me 😂

Zakksu

You look great as Polites!!! This gotta be the first cosplay of Epic you should def post this!!! It's like Polites from the afterlife checking in on his bestie to see what he's doing. And I'm glad you got to talk to Steven that's so cool! Telemachus reminds me of Polites! His instruments remind me of his too. He has the same POV as Polites where he believes in the good & light of the world 😭 we got a little light back again thru Telemachus! I bet Uncle Polites is proud of this lil wolf 🥹💕 And remember how you criticized Athena in Goodbye cuz she didn't understand Ody's grief? Looks like you were right that she'd regret it haha maybe if Polites hadn't died maybe his light wouldn't have gone dark so quickly as you said in your previous reactions. You're a prophet lol That means Polites was right!!! Bring the world some light & reach out with open arms! Lol And you make a good point none of these songs named out Telemachus or Antinous by name where before all chars were introduced by name. I get we know Telemachus by now cuz he spells it out that he misses his dad but Antinous was never name dropped so we in the musical he'd just be known as one of the suitors you make an excellent point. I wonder did Jorge forget or will he be introduced in the future? All these songs make me emotional I especially love Telemachus & Athena's friendship And your theory of Athena's piano playing thru Epic was such a good call! It's like you said she was always there watching thru time And it has been a total of 20 years since Troy so Telemachus is 20yrs old now And you've named every singer correctly! And it gutted me hearing Calypso use Polites words against him & then he hears Polites voice along with Eurylochus 😢 but yes that was my reaction too! I don't want her using his words! Lol God Games was great too esp since we got so many voices at once! Esp his dad like you mentioned sounding like Jorge. And Zeus went hard with this but I agree where is Hades!? I look forward to your Hades!Polites version cuz at this point your both lol And your question about gods dying...technically yes but no? Lol and lastly it's 3 sagas left so you're not far off anyhoo can't wait to see you react to the livestream!!!

Eleonora Witzky

I cannot wait for your reactions to the visuals on OAR My interpretation on the "who's them?" is that she was trying to confirm which specific gods he was talking about. Her siblings? All of the gods? She doesn't know, Zeus is playing the pronoun game. Also, love that Zeus actually was really fair to her here (until she came up to him at the end) by picking gods that were more or less neutral.

Roxana

Isn’t it funny that Casper hit a Nat 20 with the “Time Dive” name 😭

Cassandre Houzé

Ah makes sense. When I looked it up. it said she's the daughter of a titan and a nymph, and a goddess herself. I thought gods were only Kronos and Reia's children and their own children (mostly Zeus's). This is all a bit confusing. I still don't know if she's the goddess of anything though

Josie Tobar

It was 20 years since Odyssey left for war. The war was 10 years His reaction to Teagan coming in in little wolf was priceless. His reaction to Athena going back in time and all the good versus coming back in from essentially the gods and the villains is just priceless. And the hand shaking! Hahahahhaha. “YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT!?” I’m done! Haha

Dorian Venta

Not a spoiler and don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but hades had a verse in God Games initially but was cut. Jay even had his backing track for him made

Liz Lilliman

Love your reaction at the end. Even though I had a day out at York planned with a 5.30am start well I stayed up and was buzzing so much at the end.

Balazs Foldes

'Calypso, you Christmas-infecting, man-stealing, Penelope-keeping, Odysseus-groping, Athena-manipulating island bitch! How DARE you say what he said!' I'm sorry, I shall urgently require a YT short of this.

Geveryging

7 of the 10 years were on the island but she couldn’t go there so that is why athena was the one that said he has been on the island for 7 years I think

Geveryging

Calypso can give people infinite youth

Funo

Jorge’s dad is the VA for Hephaestus, which is quite fitting since he helped Jorge build a booth for the musical. :)

Akea

It’s confusing for sure. God is the very broad term for their species including the primordials, titans, olympians and nymphs. When you search up different Greek gods and see some referred to as gods some as nymphs some titans etc it would make the most sense that they’re different things entirely but they’re more terms to know what type of god they are

Jacob Minger

I was thinking the same thing a couple days ago

Ren (Cora Z)

I second this! I love j. Maya

Jacob Minger

It would also be fitting that Ithaca comes out on Christmas or around it. That would make it a perfect circle from December 2022- December 2024. Troy came out on Christmas 2022.

Jacob Minger

“what in the time dive was that?!” It was exactly that. Jorge even calls it the “Time Dive”

Jacob Minger

The end of Love in Paradise COMPLETELY broke me even more than The Underworld.

Gryfon

calypso is the daughter of the titan Atlas, and after the titanomachy she was imprisoned on an island forever for being guilty by associating

Lily Esparza

I don't know if it's just me, but I think Calypso saying open arms is just a coincidence not actually her reading his mind to trick him

Itzayana

Oh my God, Casper, your obsession with Hades is killing😹😹😹

William Watson

Oh my Gods! We need a verse from hip-hop-Hades!🤣PLEASE

Kory Misun

I do not want to assume she'd be that evil, but 'I'll stay in your heart' are his mother's words. And she calls him Ody like Eurylochus did... That's three coincidences, which feels like something else.

Kory Misun

That makes this all so much more Agonizing.

Kory Misun

Spell...? That's super sick and cruel, but of course, we're talking about Greek mythology here.

Felix Henson

Ooooh i like your cosplay! Also, regarding what Calypso is the goddess of, not anything rly. The one island she's on? She's only rly established as a goddess in the Odyssey and not rly anywhere else. She is the daughter of a titan and a sea nymph so certainly she does have the lineage of a goddess but she's not rly an Olympian so we don't rly know anything about her or if she has a domain.

Kory Misun

I'm happy I'm not the only one who noticed, whoo!

Lily Esparza

they were on the island for 7 years together you get to know people in that amount of time maybe she just picked up bits and pieces of his stories

Felix Henson

I think Athena's comment about not sleeping at night in We'll Be Fine is a throwback to in My Goodbye when Ody says 'what good is a title a goddess could lend if i'll never sleep at night'. Now it's her turn. Oh and then Telemachus gushes 'you're my friend I couldn't ask for more!' and she doesn't correct this kid who's known her all of five minutes when when Odysseus originally suggests they could be friend she said she'd 'see where it ends' and during My Goodbye she says "You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend" even tho we know up to this point they'd been working alongside each other for like 12 years minimum

Felix Henson

I suspect you aren't a mile off with your Hermes guess. I just think it'll be next saga to get off this island. Also I feel like the end of God Games after someone asks 'is she dead?' and the melodies for Warrior of the Mind and Legendary are playing very weakly like Athena rly was close to death but then entire fuckin brass section comes in, triumphant as her power surges back.

mrsdarkzaraora

the wisdom saga is such a rollar coster ride. I loved it so much.

Alex Gukgak

No idea if anyone's mentioned this already, but to further appreciate Aryon Alexander's acting, he's been playing Perimedes up through thunder saga, so quite the range! He's a Polites fanboy too, super relatable (on a similar note, Luke Holt also played Elpenor)

Autymn Dreams

Yep! Autolycus, a son of Hermes who was mainly known as a renowned thief, is Tel's great grandfather (so, Ody's grandfather). His name means "'the wolf itself"

Amanda Poulin

I third this alot of her solo songs are based on Greek mythology and general fantasy, she is absolutely fantastic, I know her and Jorge did a calab so he'll show up in one of her songs but I'm not sure if it's been released yet

Kitty

Regarding your question about "where's Poseidon?" In the Odyssey, Poseidon was the one holding the biggest grudge and would never tolerate any talk of freeing Ody. Athena specifically waited until a time where Poseidon was *away* from Mt. Olympus to try and get help from the other gods! So his absence was intentional planning on Athena's part. She knew her only chance of helping Ody was to parley with the other gods when Poseidon wasn't around!

Matt Mayhem

The worst part of Hades not being in God games is that he was gonna be in it and it was cut, if you get the chance try to find the hades cut instrumental for God Games, it’s a beautiful melody.

Matt Mayhem

I think it’s a coincidence that acts to trigger a flashback about Polites.

Matt Mayhem

It’s actually confirmed by Jorge that the guitar is used also when someone tries to take Ody’s place, in mutiny it plays when Eurylochus draws his sword to fight him, and in little wolf Antinous has it playing as he is the “leader” or mastermind of the suitors, trying to take Ody’s place as husband and king.

Matt Mayhem

Also I can’t remember if it’s confirmed but I think I heard Jorge say that antinous uses the voices of the suitors as his instrument just like Eury as he is the one who kinda calls the shots. But I don’t fully remember I think it came up in one of jays videos on narrative styles or musical styles in Epic

Phoenix_mercury

the live stream disagrees with that last point

Boaz Russell

The danger motif in guitar as Odysseus stands on the ledge, signifying how he is a danger to himself (i read someone else say this i forgot where)

Jane wirick

Not me screaming at Casper like he can hear me to STOP PAUSING right after Calypso says "Open arms" because he's stopping just shy of her triggering Ody's PTSD memories of Polites.

Alex Gukgak

Y’know what, I don’t recall 🤔

Jane wirick

You'll find out why Haphaestus sounds like Jorge over on OAR

Felix Henson

Oh? I didn't see that part on the live stream, it cut off just at the end for me?

Scorpius27

Thank you! Glad someone else thought of this too haha

TheBookWyrm

oooooh i wanted to HURT somebody after the livestream ended, the end of God Games is *so* much worse with the visuals 😭 the visuals in general for the whole album were SO GOOD though, i can’t wait for you to see them on OAR i kind of wish God Games was longer and there was more interaction between the gods, but i really love the focus on Athena in this album! the character growth 🥲 it only took her ten years to admit she and Ody were friends 😅

Maura Gillies

Duuude, the sheer excitement and joy you get from this music!! I love it, and I'm feeling it right along with ya! And that scream at the end? Same, absolute same

Oriondraco

The second you caught Calypso saying "open arms" and ranting about Polites, I started laughing and yelling "Buddy you are about to get psychic damage-"

Elijah

That guttural Zeus is ACTUALLY Luke Holt, lol.

Mellissa Marcus

I feel like Prophet Casper reared his head, but I don't want to time stamp it or spoil the surprise.

madds_lore

I don't think anyone else has mentioned this but during Antinous' verse in Little Wolf you were trying to hear if there was an instrument playing besides the war drums. Under his melody line I would swear on my life there's a low reed instrument playing, maybe bass clarinet, sax, baritone sax? I played clarinet once upon a time so I know a reed when I hear one but can't place what type of low reed that well (my sister was the bass clarinetist lol). Later snippets with Antinous (no spoilers) seem to have the same reed instrument in melody lines too. Maybe it's his instrument. Not sure if I'm going crazy but 😭

Eli

My headcanon is that she heard him mention these things in his sleep. At the beginning she says “did you know you talk in your sleep?” He’s been there for 7 years, bound to have nightmares. In the odyssey it’s confirmed calypso abused Odysseus the entire time he was on the island, so I fully believe she caught these things and then used them against him at the end of Love in Paradise

Lily Esparza

I see your point, but it's important to note that "Epic: The Musical" is inspired by Homer's "Odyssey," not a direct retelling. For instance, in Homer's original epic, Circe only transforms Odysseus's men back after he agrees to sleep with her.

Lunaris Fantasy

Lmao, Casper's "Jorge!! YOUUUU!!!" Is giving Mortius's "Jorgewhen I find you! Jorge!!"

Imara121

I came here just to watch the reaction to the way God games ends. 🤣

Lexi Rasmussen

the reaction to calypso saying open arms was worth the $10 hahaha

Phoenix_mercury

Hint? Unless your on discord then @ me with it in spoilers or ghost free

Mellissa Marcus

I'm on discord and bad at it, neverliveindoubt is my handle. I don't want to post potential spoilers publicly.

Felix Henson

Omg Caspar is a fellow Hephaestus stan!

Becken Fuggle

I love the Jorge’s Dad plays Hephaestus ❤️

Mer _acle

I thought about joining Patreon before but that "TEAGAAN" broke me, so yeah I am very happy to be here can't wait for god games

Mellissa Marcus

Ok, Casper has seen the visuals now- 49:05 he talks about if it's true Goddesses can't die in reference to what Calipso says and then he discusses Gods killing other Gods.

KokoWyvern

Random asf comment, but the passionfruit melon Fanta you were drinking I felt in my soul 😭😭 I'm from the States but my partners are Norwegian so I go back and forth when it's possible, but that flavor of soda (& yogurt) is the one thing from Scandinavia I can't get here and I miss it so much!!!

KokoWyvern

Well that and TINE iced coffee