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"Road to Hell" thru "Epic I" from Hadestown [UNEDITED] (Patreon)

Published:
2024-09-09 23:15:19
Edited:
2024-09-15 15:55:02
Imported:
2026-08

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Already LOVING this musical - I hope you guys will enjoy it as well! :)

Comments

Broody Gaming

LOVE this musical I’ve been adoring Mortius watching it. So so so stoked for this and your music knowledge and breakdowns. Ahhh!! Feeling almost embarrassed how stoked for this I am haha.

Crownos

I think it’s funny that you thought Orpheus was played by Jordan Fisher bc Jordan Fisher is actually playing Orpheus on Broadway rn

Amy Golightly

This is a vaguely Depression-era setting, definitely inspired by New Orleans jazz as well as Dustbowl-era American folk. The backing vocals in Road to Hell and Come Home with Me are done by the chorus, who play other humans--patrons of the bar and workers. I feel like the scarcity of drums prior to the very end of Come Home with Me represents the moment Eurydice's heart starts to beat again. Metaphorically. Like she's been so alone, and the lure of feeling alive. Hilariously, Jordan Fisher replaced Reeve Carney when he left the show. When Orpheus sings the song in Wedding Song, onstage, a flower blooms in his hand, and that's what Eurydice is reacting to--a real, living flower. And to clarify, it's not summer that's missing, it's fall. Spring and fall. Winters are long and cold, summers are short and hot. Listen for the prepared guitar that appears in a few different tracks. You have heard some of the common motifs, but they haven't repeated (just listen every time Orpheus or Eurydice's names are sung). Actually, Eurydice's motif is first heard in the word "melody" from "your name is like a melody." A lot of emphasis is placed in musical theatre on the big, loud belting, because it's very exciting. I'm glad you can hear how incredible Reeve Carney is at singing some of the most difficult singing you can do--soft and high--and mixing like a master.

Jimmy Wise

It's like equal parts Nat 20 and Nat 1

Jacob Burbrink

So the reason you hear simpler instrumentals is a design of the musical. All the musicians are on stage. The initial staging is a pub, with the patrons singing along. After you finish the musical, check out the documentary by Wait in the Wings. It has its origins in folk

Jacob Burbrink

Also, Orpheus is playing the guitar while singing the Epic

Lmb111514

I laughed way too loud when you said 'soaking hades'- wet hades just follows you everywhere, haha! This musical is so beautifully detailed, I love just how the singing is the main focus and instrument of the show. I'm so excited you are reacting to this! Funny you mentioned Jordan Fisher, though, because he actually got cast as Orpheus in Broadway's Hadestown just a few months ago and is just absolutely incredible at the role! Eva Noblazada is absolutely incredible as Eurydice- but, truly, the entire cast is phenomenal and I can't wait for you to hear the rest of this musical!

Lauren Hedman

Jordan Fisher is Orpheus in hadestown on broadway right now!

Dorothy Rosenberg

The symbol for Hermes is called a caduceus. It’s a staff with two intertwined winged snakes. It was originally associated with commerce. A staff with a single unwinged snake is called the Rod of Asclepius and was the symbol for medicine. However, over time, the caduceus has been adopted to represent many medical associations. PS The brass instrument is a trombone.

Lupikus

To my knowledge, historically the act of taking someone was equivalent to proposing. Additionally there are many accounts where Hades asks Persephone's father for permission before going ahead with the kidnapping

FyroseRedFury

I don't believe there's a specific name for the ancient Greek paintings on vases, they're well-known because we don't have artwork on Greek walls.

ɎɄ

Yippie, Hadestown my beloved !! Also leave you hairline alone (and I hope you ate well after that)

SK Elkins

That ancient Greek pottery style in which the people are represented as black silhouettes, often against a red background, is called "black-figure pottery" or "black-figure painting" in English. In later examples of this style, you often see both black and white figures, like murky musito's rendition of Orpheus and Eurydice in the 'Road to Hell' animatic, but it's still called black-figure pottery. The convention in Attic pottery of this style was for female figures to be depicted in white and male figures in black. I love the way that murky musito reversed that convention for Orpheus and Eurydice in the animatic.

SK Elkins

A little bird told me that you were watching Hadestown, so I had to come join in! I'm always up for singing it again. Spring and fall are the seasons that Eurydice says she hasn't seen in ages: Weather ain't the way it was before Ain't no spring or fall at all anymore It's either blazing hot or freezing cold Any way the wind blows On stage, the magic that Orpheus's song enacts when he sings part of it to Eurydice (represented in the animatic you watched as transforming her ring to real gold) is to cause a red flower to bloom. I only mention this because the red flower is a major symbol for the rest of the show, and future animatics you watch will almost surely make use of it.

Dorothy Rosenberg

English is the most difficult language (according to my brother-in-law who’s fluent in 10). Cut yourself some slack.

Nobody

This man really got an Email from Jorge and just went on with his buisness

Angela

Yes, a symbolic/gestural "kidnapping" was a part of ancient Greek marriage rituals (to a greater or lesser extent depending on region) and in our earliest written source for the myth, The Homeric Hymn to Demeter, Persephone "was given away by Zeus" (her father) ahead of the event (and without her or her mother's knowledge). So the things that strike us as troubling about the relationship are reflections of more broadly troubling historical societal norms, rather than being intentionally shocking.

Angela

My feelings about Hades and Persephone are complicated, because I have a degree in Classics and my knowledge of the story is rooted in its historical context - ie as an expression of the normal trauma of marriage in a patriarchal society where women had little power. But - we don't live in that society now, and marriage means something very different to us than to the ancient Greeks. AND the metaphor of a relationship between death and rebirth reflecting the balance of the natural world is very potent. So I feel that in order for that story to work in new tellings, changes to the relationship between Hades and Persephone are not only acceptable but necessary.

Angela

I will add that I do get a little bothered when Demeter is villainaised in order to make the romance work, even though I understand why it's done. Because ancient Greek women were ideally expected to stay inside their husband's houses their whole lives (notably excluding religious festivals), marriage often marked a permanent separation between a mother and daughter. Demeter leveraging her deific powers to get to see her daughter again was a feat beyond what most real women could dream of. Also, one of the most important festivals that women could leave the house to participate in was the Thesmophoria, which was dedicated to Demeter and Persephone! So the reunification of a divine mother and daughter was here embodied by the reunification of real life mothers and daughters who could only see each other at such occasions. That's why as much as making Demeter overbearing makes sense in modern narratives, part of me can't help but feel a little sad for the historical women being forgotten when those changes are made.

Ruriva

Okay so some clarification of things you would know if you were watching it live by this point: the fates are sometimes part of the chorus, but more frequently the chorus is made up of a bunch of background dancers/singers that are just you average humans. These back up artists are what Hermes introduces as the chorus. The musical is set in an ambiguous time and place but it’s very New Orleans. Much of the musical takes place at a rail road station/pub run by Hermes. The orchestra is all seated on the stage so you can see them playing throughout the musical unlike most musicals where they’d be in the pits.

Vittelius

The term "chorus" comes from ancient greek theatre (though the greeks spelled it χορός chorós). The chorus was a choir of 13 to 50 actors who would enhance a play with singing and dancing. The chorus would stand in front of the stage on a half round area known as the orchestra, which literally translates to dancing square (and yes that's where the the group of musicians comes from as, in modern theatre, they are usually sitting in a pit in front of the sage). Stray Gods uses the term as a reference to the fact that the chorus usually spoke in unison - just like their government is supposed to. Hadestown uses the term as a synonym for ensemble, which is a fairly close analogue in modern musical theatre when it comes to the function both groups fulfil. Sidenote because I know that a lot of people get it wrong and it always annoys me a bit: The orchestra is part of a theatre. That's what the greeks called their performance spaces for plays. An amphitheatre is where the romans held their gladiatorial fights. Amphi means "double" and an amphitheatre is just two half-rounds of a theatre but mirrored and mushed together until the stage is gone and a "round orchestra" (the arena) remains. Colosseum is the nickname the citizens of rome gave to one specific amphitheatre, because there used to be a giant statue, the Colossus of Nero, right next to it.

SK Elkins

Thinking about your comment on the percussion in "Wedding Song" sounding bongo-like, the composer of this musical, Anaïs Mitchell, is a folk singer, and earlier versions of the show, before it was worked into a full-fledged musical, were written to be performed in very small spaces: coffee shops, intimate folk venues, etc. Since Wedding Song is one of the songs that were part of the sequence from its earliest days, it seems quite possible to me that it actually *was* originally written with bongos in mind. Someone more familiar than I am with the history of the show might be able to shed more light on that. As for time and place... well, Hermes does exhort us at the very beginning "don't ask where, brother, don't ask when," but a more useful answer might be this: This show operates on mythic and poetic logic, not so much on literalism. It takes place during "hard times in the world of men," and it is an American musical. The costuming and iconography is therefore often reminiscent of the Great Depression of the 1930s. Were it written for a non-American audience, I imagine that some other time and place might have been chosen to carry the same allusive weight.

Jane wirick

Hey Casper! I think you might be missing out on the fact that it’s not eternal winter and that’s why you’re a little confused. Basically there’s no in-between. It’s either the boiling hot excess of Persephone being up top and being a free spirit to celebrate being in the overworld or the freezing cold of Hades holding her too tight and keeping her from the sun.

Jane wirick

Either way the plants die and people suffer. They can’t survive the heat of Persephone over doing it or the cold of Hades not wanting to share her.

Psyrenia Entertainment

This is a very exciting reaction series for me; the myth of Persephone and Hades is near and dear to me, and the tragedy of Orpheus and Eurydice is an important story that intertwines beautifully with the gods in this musical. I've said it on Mortius' reactions, and I'll repeat it here; word play is VERY important here. If there's a possible double meaning to something, consider it for later. If there's a seeming repetition with a small change, it's definitely MEANINGFUL. Others have pointed out the "Don't ask why, brother, don't ask when" and "It's no spring or fall, just the extremes". Also comments on "The band is onstage, the chorus is a bunch of people helping to tell the story" (which is also the modern interpretation, especially through song). I wanted to add, though, seeing the live performance is a whole different layer to the story. See, the fourth wall barely exists, if it ever really does. You are part of the story, just as much as the ones telling it. They look out to the audience, and more than just the beginning. Your feelings, your reactions, your expectations are all a part of the story. If you find yourself moved or inspired by this show, then you've understood the 'assignment'. Very, VERY excited to see more!

ruffboiMags

I love how you keep referring to Hermes as "Chicago Style" (northeast US) and the music as "yee-haw" (southwest US) when this show is very much southern jazz (especially New Orleans) in style. Which I wouldn't expect you to know, but it makes me giggle a little. It IS a very soulful music regardless. The show's themed after Great Depression-era midwest, visually. So, more dustbowl than wild west. (also the kissing couple in "Come Home With Me" is Hades and Persephone.)

ruffboiMags

"interesting that we don't resolve that la la la motif" well yeah! Song isn't finished yet. :)

Felix Henson

Wait isn't there meant to be more content on Patreon than Youtube? But Caspar just posted this there and this was posted way back in early September so what's going on? How come he hasn't uploaded anymore does anyone know?

CF Entertainment

Did you watch the entire video? This is like 5 songs in one video :D I've been super busy with my musical so I haven't had time to record more Hadestown , but you're still 4 weeks ahead of YouTube (if you watch this entire vid)

Tessara Dudley

I’m not sure where to put this, but do you know the Aidoneus song “Persephone in the Garden”? It’s a gorgeous sapphic take on the Hades/Persephone myth, and I think you would enjoy it, Casper, based on your comments about the variety of myths around them.

Liz Lilliman

Andre is at musical con this weekend in London..we have a spotlight on Hadestown on stage. I can't wait..watched the whole thing recently and I'm in love with it. Now wish I'd booked the signing and photo with Andre. Im seeing Ben fostor who was phantom and jesus, my daughter is meeting Amy Atkinson who was Katherine h in six in the 1st six cast.

Tessara Dudley

To correct myself: it’s not an explicitly sapphic take. But it’s still gorgeous!

William Watson

My take on Hades and Persephone is that it’s more like an arrange marriage that leads to love

des williams

i’m not sure if you’ve ever answered this question before, but have you ever played the game “hades”? i really enjoy the characterization of the gods in that one, and how it handles the story of hades and persephone

Nashira Sidus

The Pro-shot is coming to theaters (in the U.S. 100%, idk about worldwide :/) at the end of July. Do you have any interest in seeing that as a comparison to all the animatics you watched? Like a cannon vs fan-on comparison?