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GLEE 03X06 REWATCH PARTY (Patreon)

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2025-05-29 12:00:06
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Annie Willow

My first thoughts are that Finn was right there when his own step-brother was bullied for his sexuality so much that he had to transfer schools. He knows second-hand how homophobic McKinley and Lima are so loudly telling Santana to just come out of the closet down the hallway is when his cis straight white male privilege/ignorance really shows. Yes, Santana was being an outright bitch and he was right that she was lashing out because she was beating herself up. She has already acknowledged this to Brittany. He was wrong when he said that she was a coward, there’s a huge difference between being a coward and being terrified for your life if your staunchly religious and homophobic family finding out that your queer. If he was legitimately concerned for her wellbeing as a friend, he should have had a private conversation with her. But he never comprehends that he was wrong and never actually apologizes to her and makes the whole situation about how he would feel if something happened to her, which is very frustrating because we know that he has that capability. He just apologized to Brittany for lashing out and calling her an idiot and acknowledged he was wrong. Now when his actions have real consequences and changes someone’s life is a detrimental way, nothing.

Alex Foster

My little queer heart breaks for Santana at the end of the episode. Some of my family has conservative beliefs and i was outed to my family by an ex and it is the worst ive ever felt ( and i wasnt even being a horrible bitch), it turned out relatively ok in the end. i can see both sides, she was a MASSIVE bitch and she really really pushed at all his buttons. I personally feel he could have picked at her insecurities in a way that didn't out her. I know he didn't say it super loud but there were people nearby and clearly some nosy wee cows ( like its not about you stay out of it 😂). Also we didn't have dodgeball as a thing in school. But we did play it at some youth events im church for fun. The balls we used weren't that hard thankfully. Don't think id have enjoyed it as much being pelted by those solid projectiles ( why they need to be soo hard??) 🤣

malaki

the only thing im gonna say on this is we always know santana is a bitch chile and thats why we love her but i personally feel as a santana stan that the writers amped it up a lot to be able to justify her being outed when the show has had two seasons worth of storylines about how hard it is to be gay in this school/town.

Gigi

Santana was so cruel this episode, i wasn't even laughing. But Finn did out her even if it wasn't done intentionally.

Selma Jabr

I do agree that Santana was antagonizing it and that Finn isn’t in her position to see how his actions could have repercussions. Santana has been a massive bitch lately. Like way more than usual, to Finn specifically, and I can’t help but wonder if it was done with the intent to justify Finn outing her. Because even tho he didn’t shout, it wasn’t quiet and is the reason for the campaign ad. We even see that politicians niece pause in the hall next to Santana for a second. (And him as a straight, white male calling a gay Hispanic woman in a small conservative town a coward for not being ready to come out really rubs me the wrong way). But my main issue with this storyline is how it’s handled going forward. I’ll save my thoughts for next week but in short, Finn is treated like a heroic leader for what he did. He gets 0 repercussions or consequences for his actions. Also IDK the song that Brittney sang, but I do know that it was improvised by Heather.

Selma Jabr

That’s my thought too! She’s suddenly the biggest bully she has ever been out of nowhere, to Finn specifically! If they wanted to still go this outing route, it’s easily could’ve been that niece seeing Brittana together without Finn outing her.

Selma Jabr

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Megan Christina

I'll never forget the way this episode scared me into coming out. Literally did it in a note the night it aired and then went to bed. Santana 100% was out of line with her bullying, there's no doubt about that, but god, there is never a reason to out someone. And when it's been shown that they live an a place with rampant homophobia, even the accusation/rumour could destroy someone's life. And then going forward in the next ep there's no real apology, just them all trying to force her to be okay with being open about it like ????? Not okay. I would have slapped him too, honestly. Even now in 2025 I have to be careful who I talk to about it sometimes (I've been out for almost 12 years) and I live in a relatively accepting place. But I still have customers come into work and spew off their hatred for the LGBTQ+ community completely unprovoked, and it really is scary. So I couldn't imagine being somewhere where it's even worse and having to deal with everyone knowing. Sidebar is that the New Directions mashup is one of my serious guilty pleasure songs. I listen to it all the time still, it's even on my playlist at work that I play over the speakers. It's just so nice hearing Quinn and Tina!

megan vickers

I am a die hard finn fan always be because of Cory. I agree what he said was not great with outing her but all the shit Santana has done to him over the years I can see why he snapped. He got pushed too far and for once he pushed back. Still not ideal the way he did it but i get it

Luke Dennis

I hate Finn. I don't understand how people can defend him. He outed Santanna, used the F-slur towards Kurt, called Sue's baby the r-word, and was mean to Blaine when he joined because of his jealousy! As gay individuals, we insult each other for sport, it's called 'reading', which is what Santanna was doing, whereas Finn just abruptly outed her because he didn't have anything else to say, and he chose old reliable offensive stuff like he does!!!

Annie Willow

Heather sang “Stop the Violence”

Selma Jabr

I know that but I didn’t know if it was an actual song or something that she made up.

Lydia Shepard

So I too am cis and straight so my pov I'm sure is different than a lot of people who had to deal with this situation but I always blamed Reggie "the Sause" Salazar as he is the one who created the commercial and therefore really he was the one who outed her. The school did seem to know and didn't seem to care as much mostly probably because they know Santana is a bully and would bully anyone who said something to her but people at the school definitely already knew. Then Reggie "the sause" Salazar is the one who outed her to Ohio and her family. This adult should know better too than picking on a teenager and outing a teenager in public like that.

Ayan

Thank you! I always thought Finn was a bad guy in this show!

Tahlixfire

I've always loved Finn, because he is a flawed individual. He does try his best to be kind, he has his moments where breaks and doesn't realize the consequences of his actions. characters have to make mistakes for the plot, but his intentions aren't to cause harm in most circumstances. Hes supposed to be 17-18, hes going to make mistakes but his actions after trying to apologize, make things right. Finn has a tendency to lash out at people, but can you blame him; Quinn and Puck cheating and lying about him being the father, Kurt flirting with him and not taking no, Santana literally making fun of for over a year, Sue do i even have to explain. when he does lash out he does say things he shouldn't but its an understandable thing to do when you're angry and not really thinking.

yasna gonzalez sanchez

He is human not a bad guy... would you Say that Santana was a bad person or for example Karofsky?

yasna gonzalez sanchez

Like you, Audrey said our opinions are based on our life experiences, and during the time I was watching glee (the very first time) I was in high school and I was frequently being bullied not in a physical way but, verbally abusive... mean girls that loved being the center of attention and they didn't care the consequences ... Luckily I never had a break point in my attitude or felt like giving up my life but I had to learn to fight in the same way they talked to me so that, they let me the hell alone and they realized I was not afraid of them. So, when I started to see how mean and abusive Santana was I can say that I hated her, I hated her character and how she got to say wherever she wanted and nobody, teacher, classmates, or the director himself told her anything, she never has a consequence for the way she talks to the people and it really made me mad...because I felt that it was the same situation in my school. I hated my bullies so idk if any of them are part of the community right now but I can say that wouldn't have made any difference for me... I do believe that Finn acted in the wrong way because he was mad and that's not okay... But I don't think that Finn was the one the outed her because she had a looot of scenes near Britney hugging her, holding her hand, in the episode before they had a date, and also Britney had already said that Santana played for the other team... people just forget about that

Lacy Hause

Personally, I loved dodgeball because it gave us “unpopular” kids a chance to wail on the jocks.

Laurie Kraus

If he had just blurted it out, I'd have understood that he just snapped (still wrong but more understandable). But he didn't just blurt it out - she was halfway down the hall and he THOUGHT about it before he said it. He wasn't smart enough to insult her (she was pretty immune to insults in general and his were particularly lame) so he went for what would do the most damage, then doubled-down on it by STALKING down the hall toward her and insinuating that Brittany might not love her back (which was beyond cruel when we consider just how insecure Santana was). What Santana did was wrong but Finn was not at risk for physical violence, for being shunned, or kicked out of his house, or disowned by his family. Finn suffered NO consequences for what he did. Her insults had no consequences for him other than bruising his ego (smarter people than I have expounded on Finn and Rachel's treatment of Santana - explaining (never excusing) her behavior). As we see with Dave in On My Way - the consequences for Santana could have been catastrophic and possibly deadly. Her insults didn't threaten to turn his life upside down. What he did was tantamount to throwing a punch. Or would that have been understandable too? And ... it seems everyone goes hard at Santana for being a bully but ... Finn, Puck, Quinn, and Brittany all get a pass? They were ALL bullies. And everyone also seems to gloss over one of the reasons Santana left New Directions was because Finn, Rachel, and Schue were AWFUL to her on a regular basis. I do not excuse Santana's behavior; she was wrong. I just can't understand how people can excuse Finn's behavior while condemning Santana's.

Laurie Kraus

I loved dodgeball ... I must be older than a lot of you because it wasn't "nerds" "jocks" "popular" ... it was random teams divided by the teacher. I loved it simply because I was good at it. I was an overweight kid but deceptively athletic and caught anything thrown at me. This ep's dodgeball scene was weird to me. I was especially confused as to why Santana got blamed for the attack on Rory - yes, she threw a dodgeball at him ... but she didn't tell the others to do so or even indicate that they should attack him while he was down.

Laurie Kraus

There's no indication of Santana's age (the Glee wiki says August 94 which would make her 17 at the time of this ep, but I don't know how accurate the Wiki page is) ... of course, all the little details that we don't get are fodder for the fanfic writers ;)

Laurie Kraus

One thing that always bothered me - why wasn't Shelby at this meeting in Sue's office to tell Santana what was happening? Schue's not her coach, Shelby is.

Laurie Kraus

To the "she could deny it" : I think, at this point, denying it would feel inauthentic (to her) - her acceptance of herself has been a hard fought battle and denying who she is would be a huge step backward. It would also be a slap in the face to Brittany, who's been quietly nurturing, supporting, and loving Santana for years, patiently waiting for Santana to be ready. Denying that she's gay means denying that she's in love with Brittany and I think hurting Brittany is, at this point in their relationship, the one thing she's tired of doing. The one thing she absolutely doesn't want to do anymore.

Laurie Kraus

I honestly think Mercedes was just checking in with Santana ... much the same way Brittany does when they pass each other.

Laurie Kraus

Exactly. And then, instead of apologizing, he gets to be her "hero" - by blackmailing her into "Lady Music Week". She's going to be suspended for slapping him but he suffers no consequences AT ALL for turning her life inside out. A private conversation would have been nice - but he wasn't worried about her; he wasn't smart enough or quick enough to insult her. "You were my first, that meant something to me" REALLY? Cuz ... that's not what you said originally "I didn't feel anything because it didn't mean anything" sound familiar? How about "She's not worth it"? I think the fact that Finn, Rachel, and Schue are - quite often - awful to Santana adds fuel to the already hotter than hellfire that is Santana. I will never condone her bullying others, I just wish that the bullying she suffers at the hands of others was recognized. Santana is a bitch. There's no two ways about that. But I've noticed through several rewatches, that, A LOT of the time, her bitchiness is 1) Reactive or 2) Deflective. For example: She was Finn's first. A fact that he LIED to Rachel about - if Santana were truly a bad/awful/mean girl/bitch, she'd have thrown that in Rachel's face the next day. She kept Finn's secret until Finn told Rachel "she's not worth it". Then she lashed out with "that's not what you said last year (LAST YEAR) in that hotel room". And "you're upset by the Santana of it all" - why? Why was it worse that Finn slept with Santana as opposed to Quinn or Brittany or any other girl and lied about it? Insulting Santana, throughout the series, has been proven to be difficult. Santana's almost immune to insults - the only one that ever got to her was when Rachel said she'd be dancing on a pole. Which, given what Santana has said, sounds like something her abuela probably said to her at some point. Santana exhibits several traits that someone who has been abused exhibits. The next ep shows us that - it may be hyperbole - but her abuela does threaten to hit her with a chair if she's pregnant. Ok, sorry, several long rants about something that has long irked me.

Paulette Lewis

When was Finn, Rachel and Schue Awful to her ? Rachel had her problems with he but never Aweful that I can remember.

Paulette Lewis

Don't remember Finn being Heroic, he sang a beautiful song to her, but I do remember Santana coming back and said hey parents were ok with it she even sang "I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It" shortly after. Where's the problem?

Mary Anderson

Santana’s birthday is canonically in August, and this is set before Christmas, so she’s actually only 17, they just seem to forget about her age

Annie Willow

Santana’s date of birth is never disclosed during the series. The only clues we have are during “The Power of Madonna”, Brittany states that Finn’s birthday is 3 days before Santana’s and during “The Quarterback”, Finn’s year of birth is on the tree memorial and plaque as 1994. Since Finn’s month and day of birth are never mentioned, we cannot deduce Santana’s birthday. During “Diva” which took place early Feb of 2013, it is stated that Finn is already 19. If he was born in Aug of 1994, he would not turn 19 (and Santana) until Aug of 2013. So it comes to reason that both of their birthdays fall in Jan or the first week of Feb of 1994 for Finn to already be 19 by “Diva” and “I Do” which is canonically on Valentine’s Day.

Annie Willow

This doesn’t negate the fact that Santana was still a minor at this point and exploiting the likeness of a minor for political gain is illegal and she should sue for exploitation, endangering a minor, pain and suffering, and probably more.