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138: In The Crunch, w/ Ayah Ben-Yishai (Patreon)

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2025-08-30 18:56:27
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With Matt off messing with Texas, Daniel welcomes musician Ayah Ben-Yishai for a frank conversation about her and her family's decision to quit the Zionist nightmare, her time as an Iron Dome morale enforcer, and a brief survey of hasbara's Divine Feminine side.

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Ayah's Album: https://open.spotify.com/album/5cBbBs6TJaqdwxVWgUi6Yq?si=3ar1u5-XTpaQNtiUGSYy2g&nd=1&dlsi=f47277882f7c421c

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H Haltam

Subhanallah 💔

four or five owls

respectfully, I feel the normalization comment was probably in part prompted by the recent twitter discourse about the Adam Friedland interview, and I understand how someone could disagree on whether that applies in certain contexts. I've gone back and forth a bit on what I think of this specific instance myself. but when a disagreement is a near perfect split between American Jews and Palestinians/BDS, I know what side I'm deferring to until I have a better understanding.

Lacey Jones

You know, Ashira Ali Darwish's voice would make a solid duo option for that song Daniel. Maybe your Dad could hook them up

Jonathan Kadmon

Wilfred Owen "Dulce Et Decorum Est" is a great anti war poem, although the actual Latin phrase "dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" is still used quite unironically. It's engraved on the entrance to Arlington national cemetery for instance.

Jacob King

My thought on the first half was “As an Australian this discussion of living in other peoples houses is very familiar” my thought on the second half was “this intersection of settler violence and crunchy spirituality is also very familiar.” It’s colonialism all the way down.

Tori J

I think maybe some of the time that people tell you that you're normalizing may be in part because you are someone who has the frame of mind and the mental and emotional bandwidth to extend a certain kind of empathy to people who haven't broken from the ideology, but are questioning it, that a lot of people understandably just don't have the patience or the personality type to do. it does provide a necessary space for people who deradicalize to get something of a softer welcome to the other side. it's a really valuable position to be able to occupy, but for the people who don't have that temperament, or who are not, at present, focusing on that in their activism and in their priorities, it can rankle a little bit. I don't think it's a huge deal but I get why it irks people. I'm not saying you should stop, I think that's an energy that some people need to have and it's good to see, but I can see why some would think this isn't the forum for it. for the record,I very much don't think this particular episode is doing that. also, I do really appreciate this show, because everything is so bleak that you need to find something to laugh at, and the sheer incompetence of israels pr the past two years is a good target.

Nathan Danger

If Daniel/Matt/Adam see this, I would like to gift Ayah a subscription to the Patreon, if possible.

Ray

i find these glimpses of what life is like inside israel super fascinating. aside from some obvious differences, it all feels pretty familiar (from a us perspective)

LeobaL

I decided a very long time ago that if I have to give up my tiny patch of this amazing continent, I will do so. But I really want to stay here.

Jacob King

Agree totally. I was thinking about “normalisation” and how much of the Zionist project relies on pretending Israel’s situation is unique and complex and outsiders couldn’t possibly understand when the reality is they are just doing what settlers have always done and justifying it in the same terms.

Lisa P

Her parents are terrible people. But she was happy to live for free in their stolen home until they could devise a plan b. I’m sorry but I don’t find this courageous. She is privileged and comfortable, avoiding confrontation. Did she refuse to serve in the IOF, join anti Zionist israeilis in any activism to protect Palestinians from thugs stealing and burning their homes and animals in the West Bank? Did she try to break the siege on Gaza herself? Go to the border? She lived a lie because it was the comfortable choice.

Ayda

I loved this episode and Ayah seems like such a sweet person ❤️ It was heartbreaking to hear her story. We are all victims of zionism in one way or another 🌹

Scott Grabel

Is this about a purity test? For most Jews, especially Israeli Jews, becoming anti-Zionist is pushing against the grain of everything we were raised with. And privilege? Yes it exists, but this contempt for privilege implies that those with it are deplorable. Is it something to recognize, or something to feel shame over. No Jew deserves your praise for finding enlightenment, but we also don’t deserve your condescension and shaming. In the real world people are not selfless heroes, so yes she made decisions based on concerns or convenience. It is exactly because of how human and pragmatic her story is that it is relatable, and maybe inspirational to other Jews to come around.

Scott Grabel

It’s that line of “knowing the path vs walking the path”. I think anti-Zionist Jews can provide a kind of “safe space” for other Jews to hash out their concerns without instantly getting attacked or shamed by the online community.

Dylan

Y'all better give Ayah a patreon membership smh

Ayah

Hi Lisa this is Ayah from the episode. I just wanted to reach out to say- yes, you are right. I’m not courageous. I could have stayed there and protected the Palestinians with my body, I could’ve tried to do more to break the siege. I am deeply ashamed that I didn’t understand the reality of the Nakba and the occupation earlier, even though I had several opportunities to do so. It took me too long to wake up to it. I was not taught critical thinking, I did not go to any radical spaces, I didn’t read political books. I was brainwashed by the coexistence and peace industrial complex, I was used as a propagandist and apologist and jewish-baby-maker for the demographic war. I had a good childhood built on the destruction of others and it disgusts me. And I guess I’m a coward for not confronting my parents for being racists, jewish supremists and complicit in genocide. I’ve tried to talk to them several times but the fights that issued were too painful. And once my baby was born we were dependent on them for everything. One of the reasons we left was to distance ourselves from them and to become independent so we do not need to depend on Zionists anymore. I listened to some of my episode and I’m not happy with how I spoke. I was sleep deprived and emotional and couldn’t really say what I wanted. I feel guilt and shame for having been a Zionist and for not doing enough for the Palestinians. I hope to do more when my material situation stabilizes.

Lisa P

Oh, dear, I owe you an apology, Ayah. I am in no position to judge you. I feel guilt and shame for not doing my part, as an American, to stop my govt’s decades long support for Israeli apartheid and terrorism. I am humbled by this thoughtful, heartfelt response; as Daniel was by your story and why you were invited to share it. Thank you for sharing it despite the risk judgement and criticism.

Eve

I wish this woman all the best.

Shugoshin

Hm does Daniel know that anime and 70s Hong Kong action movie isn’t the same thing?