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Ash vs Paul was peak asf (one of if not the best in Pokémon) but they HOEEEEDDDDDD ASH TO OBLIVION VS TOBIAS😭😭makes zero sense why they do that to Ash after one of his best wins😃Worst Pokémon moment i have seen from this series from a writing point.

BRO HAD A MF DARKRAI BRUH 😐mind still cant grasp i seen not one but TWO LEGENDARY Pokémon in the league lmao how is that even legal???

overall 9.3/10 : Diamond & Pearl series have officially concluded🥲amazing series from beginning to end

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cbloom

black and white coming shortly

Marquez Mayes

The writers realized they made Ash too smart and needed a way for him to lose 😂. I was so mad as a kid because I knew it was a bunch of bs

Ashhab Imran

Ash was too good that he was gonna win the League, and they didn’t know where to go for him or the series after, so they made Tobias to stop him from winning he was that good. They could’ve made the next series a champion run, or have him lose to either the Elite 4 or Cynthia, and then he decides to continue and get stronger. The classic debate of what should’ve been Ash’s last season, and DP was arguably the best contender besides Journeys. Though again, Ash was so powerful he’s the only one in the entire tournament to beat Darkrai. And he took it a step further and downed Latios.

Ashhab Imran

Bet Alain doesn’t feel so shoehorned in now. The fact is he’s the least shoehorned in character out of all the characters to beat Ash. He was actually developed through the season and specials. And someone in the chat said it best about Tobias, a cool character design and great story potential, just to stop Ash winning

Derbbi

We already finished DP.. wow, time flies. OG - V | AG - watching now | DP - V | BW - started | SM - soon to be finished | XY - V JN - X You are so close to finish it by the end of the year like you said!

Coca Cola

and tobias never appeared ever again

Rishdog

The writers fav character is Tobias without a doubt lol

Justice League Unlimited

I know I'm gonna get flamed by this take but I don't mind Tobias. Yeah, I would've much rather Ash have a closer fighting chance but I really enjoyed that fight. He's the only one to defeat Darkrai in the entire league, he got further than anyone else did in the league against him. And all the despair that Ash was feeling throughout the battle was touching. And Pikachu giving his all to the very end, even drawing with a legendary. I will agree that the league could've handled how he lost much better. But it's also very cool to know that there are these types of trainers as well. Pokemon doesn't have a good history of letting Ash have a satisfying lost in the league, except XY. I don't want to say much more because I don't want to accidently spoil other series. All I'll say is that it did feel like Ash was giving it his all more than ever before, and it was such a close battle as well.

cbloom

Tbh around early may I thought I wasn’t going to make that goal Now it seems like it’s possible 👀

Ashhab Imran

Dawn leaving was one thing, just meant it was time for the next female companion. Brock leaving was something else entirely, the guy who’s been there for 4 regions

Natsuki

I didn't understand why the chat started to despise Nando for having lost. He was facing the MC, were you thinking that Ash would lose in the first battle of the league? Even more so when it comes to diminishing Krickertune, this monster's Sing would put him at an advantage over any of Ash's Pokémon if it weren't for Heracross (or someone who knew how to use counter shield, but for script reasons, Ash forgot about it when he challenged Tobias' Darkrai, so it would be even more bizarre if he remembered here). It doesn't make sense to belittle Nando because of Ash's good play. That was a credit to Ash, not a demerit to Nando.

Natsuki

Believe me, it was so difficult that they had to create Tobias, nerf Ash's BIQ (imagine, what would Darkrai's Dark Void do if Ash used counter shield?), nerf the pokémon options he had, and they even nerfed the pokémon he chose, lol.

Ashhab Imran

The fact that he brought Torkoal over someone like Charizard or Snorlax was insane. That display was utterly embarrassing

Ashhab Imran

I'm just reskimming through some of these streams, and I'm for some reason now realising how much chat can either argue or have the most brain-malting takes on different things

Ashhab Imran

Chat got into quite a few arguments over some really terrible takes. Rewatching this stream and it was pretty baffling to read some of the things popping up