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TES

The deke monologue is one of my favorite moments of the season. He was great at tech and since he felt like shield abandoned him he looked for validation the only way he knew how. I’m confused about your Mack criticism. He’s always been super preachy. But also, I never got the sense that he was validated in the truth here or like the writers were trying to tell us Mack’s faith viewpoint is correct here. Maybe others think differently about that.

Christopher simeon

Mack pre framework was less "preachy" but the framework version of him seemed to be more religious since he was not exposed to shield point of view. Remember the use the Bible against me line. So he has his own conflicts between science and religion similar to Leopold vs Fitz struggles between himself. He uses religion as a metaphor to understand who he is fighting but that doesn't mean he is telling Daisy that Sarge is actually the devil just that they are not to be trusted because they don't really understand what he truly is yet. As in what Patchy is. This season is definitely doing science vs religion They are using technology to fight izel who is trying to get spirits to possess everyone. I left the season 6 poster in the discord chat. Even that screams religious imagery.

Lyla

I agree on both points - I think Mack has been very consistently written since his introduction in season 2! It’s just part of his character, just like May’s stoicism or Coulson’s tendency to keep secrets - and yeah I don’t think the writers have ever really passed moral judgments on those attributes. They’re just genuine flaws that make the characters well rounded and realistic. And sometimes they’ll make them act in better or worse ways.

Lyla

Izel, in my opinion, is probably the weakest AoS villain - she’s just kind of generically evil and makes some pretty random choices! I think she’s why some fans don’t think as highly of this season. I love the Deke development in this episode, after a season of him being a bit of a douche. And yes the techbro parallels are very unfortunate, but his speech about why he built the company is a lovely character beat - when you actually consider what he’s been through, it’s pretty tragic. He’s lost all of his friends and family from his own time, and now in this time, no one likes him either! I think he deserves some sympathy. And I guess because I come from a very non religious country, but Mack’s religious references don’t bother or stick out to me so much. It’s just part of what he uses in his arguments to convey his passion. And to me, he was always that passionate and moralistic. It was one of the main character points for him in season 2. At times it’s a good thing, other times, less so. I do understand why it would frustrate you though! The Chronicom stuff will become more relevant/interesting soon, but I get why the little scenes we’re getting here and there seem a bit random at this point. And Pachakutiq is the name for Sarge’s true self!! It’s a hard one haha