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Supernatural - 12x21 “There Something About Mary” Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2022-12-10 11:47:09
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CrystalDeth

WOWZA....I haven't watched this episode in a long time and now I remember why I think season 12 is a complete dumpster fire. This whole episode was breathtakingly tactless, distasteful and badly written. First off, remember when the demons and angels were scary? I don't...it's like they were trying to rectify past sins of overloading us with the heaven/hell wars so they thought to make them funny, like over the top hammy. I will never be okay with how they utterly destroyed Crowley's character, especially in 12. He was refreshingly great, started out as a nuanced villain who always played the long game. Why did they destroy him to bring back that old Lucifer hat trick? It's crazy how they retroactively made me despise the biggest bad from eons ago because the show runners have a massive crush on Mark Pellegrino. And it means he is getting destroyed even further going forward...yay... The BMoL are a bad joke that made me stop watching initially but since then it has been painful, especially with gratuitous torture porn - both physically and mentally. They act petty, overly confident and knowledgeable but need passcodes, hunter hierarchy, etc. Seriously? Pantsuit lady is one of the worst characters that has stained this season along with the chick who overpowered a freaking angel with fancy brass knuckles. Since angels are around ALL THE TIME vs the 2k years lore rewritten. Like yeah, girl power but no freaking way in the world. Speaking of girl power, Eileen is a damn legacy too and she gets killed by a hellhound in the opening scene. Sure glad that whistle works? WTF...Crowley gave Ketch one of his demon controlled hounds? Unbelievable on so many levels but keep destroying Crowley and women. I wasn't big on social media but I recall a lot of #FireBucklemming after this episode aired.

Kyle Reese Popcorn Fan

We saw witches like the one last episode in S3 with the first coven they came across, Ruby was also one of those witches before she died and got her powers from the demon in that episode. I like how Lady Bevell calls Ketch a psycho but she's a bit hypocritical, she's not that great herself. Tho the actress is in the EVIL DEAD 2013 remake, the greatest remake of all time! When the boys fight humans it really shines how skilled they are, they were so good in that gunfight, if it wasnt for Mary, they woulda won.

AdoptDontShopPets

I was so sad they killed Eileen. She was a terrific addition to our hunting network and would have been so great for Sam. So hated Lucifer gaining control. Agree that ‘powering down powers you up’ was just lame. That final shot of Lucifer “on top of the world” is one I really hate. Why did they have to bring Lucifer back? Ugh! This is not where the story should go! Your outrage about this episode was magnificent.

charlie dreamalottie

LOL Shelley I rarely comment but I gotta say, as a British SPN fan who despises the BMoL storyline with a burning passion (so many terribly acted ridiculous stereotypes, so little time) your reactions are proving very satisfying even though I'm sorry you're suffering through it! With this episode, welcome to why everyone hates bucklemming. Never forget, never forgive them killing Eileen!

Purple Nurple

Sam doesn't even have to have had a relationship or a kiss for his potential love interests to die now! Just the very thought of it means they're doomed! Poor Sammy

Purple Nurple

Yeah the BMOL have run their course and beyond. It's part of the reason a lot of people don't like season 12, because of the memory of them. But rewatching with you and other reactors I've learned to re-love season 12. This episode does have its flaws though as you've mentioned! I can't believe you're almost at the finale...

Rae

i am one who hates the BMOL but enjoys them as a plot device - but i did not enjoy at the time. it's a very flawed concept in execution but i'm finding it more forgivable on rewatch. :) i'll never forgive for the crowley/lucy situation in this episode just no.

MidnightSilver

You really made me smile! I’m so sorry for your pain. know exactly where you are coming from, but it was kinda fun to get to share the misery (lol sorry!). The show does torture us sometimes and not in the right way 😂 still Cheers for the reaction 😄👍🏻

Kit

Buckleming strikes again! Yet another beloved female character murder for basically no reason, nonsensical plot, out of character actions, cringey dialogue. Honestly such a bad episode. The BMoL really are the worst villains. There’s so much good about this season but it’s so overshadowed by how horribly written the MoL are. And Crowley has really been let down by the writers this season (something mark s has talked about). The only part of this episode I liked was how badass dean and Sam were in the bunker. How dean got a spot on head shot when he was shooting without looking and with the gun behind his back is so cool. In better news, I’m excited for your reactions to the next two episodes. Season 12 really is so hit and miss. The start was not great, with the lucifer plot being cringey, but some good character work with the boys and cas. Then a run of episodes in the middle of the season that we’re all amazing, some are in my top 20 episodes. Then back to terrible plot for the last third of the season. Some real missed potential here

Kit

As a fellow Brit, I completely agree! The BMoL are such inaccurate stereotypes, with stupid accents that no one even has aside from the royal family. I hate them with a passion. Mick was the only copeable one

Klaara

Yeah this was a terrible episode, one of my most hated episodes of the show. And seriously what's up with Buckleming killing yet another one of Robbie Thompson's beloved characters in a horrible fashion? That pissed me off so much! But I'm very excited for the last two episodes of the season.

BexFangirl

lol wow you really didn't like this with a passion XD I have to say, that I didn't hate the british men of letters storyline as much as you did, even though I didn't particularly like it either, though I do enjoy it a lot more at a rewatch now than when I first watched it a couple months ago. I do remember liking season 12 a lot at times, but at other times disliking somany things/episodes too. I'm really curious about how you'll rank it after the last two episodes.

BexFangirl

Oh yeah and I really didn't quite understand that whole power switch with Lucifer and Crowley either.

BexFangirl

That's exactly how I feel too.

NSTG_Eddie

Don't Worry the next 2 make up for this one believe me

Kristin Dorner

Oof, so much to say about this season up to this point. I think a lot of people feel about this season they way you feel about this episode. For me, it’s the season of lost potential. Firstly, in terms of character growth, I love what they do with Cas and Mary, even the boys to some extent. However, I absolutely HATE how they have treated Crowley’s character. Every single thing he’s done this season is SO out of character for him. The concepts of both the BMOL and the nephilim were both really interesting. However, I think they focused more on the wrong one. When the BMOL were introduced, I loved the idea. It expanded the Hunter world so much. I had never even thought about how they do this in other countries. I even understand the way they do things and I think that would’ve made for some interesting stuff about what it means to be a monster, but they just took it in such a WRONG direction. The nephilim concept is where I personally think the focus should’ve been. I don’t know about other fans, but I absolutely HAAAAATE Lucifer. I’ve hated him since S7. And not just bc I think Mark P is an awful human (again, just my opinion). Remember S5 Lucifer? He was genuinely scary. And idk if it was the writers or Mark P or some combination of them who morphed him into basically a Stooge. So when he and God had their confrontation in S11, I was floored by how much I loved it. And after God bounced at the end of S11, it’s understandable that Lucifer would’ve been pissed. There could’ve been so much to delve into with him on that “abandoned son” level, and they could’ve made it so rage-full and terrifying and instead we got…an aging rock-star who wants fans to worship him🙄

Kristin Dorner

The fact that they killed Eileen and the WAY that they killed her is one of the things I will never forgive this show for. Killing her off would’ve sucked no matter what, but to kill a deaf/hearing impaired person using a monster you can hear but not see?!😤I mean, I guess it makes sense for Ketch’s character to do such a shitty thing bc he will always use a person’s “disadvantages” against them to succeed in his goals, but it’s still so…idk, ugly🫤And I didn’t comment on last episode bc I was behind, but what happened to the Banes family is another one of those unforgivable things for me. I have such a love-hate relationship with this season. Some of my favorite episodes and concepts but some of my least favorite as well. The number and quality of episodes I like put this season ahead of S7, but UGH IT COULD’VE BEEN SO MUCH MORE😫😫😫

Hasnaa

This episode is written by buckleming so no wonder it's dumb and has lots of plot convenient stuff, the "power transfer" thing is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, they really didn't bother explaining with that one, mark shippard was so pissed off with Crowley's entire plot in season 12 and rightfully so, i too hate the men of letters so much, no one cares about them, i can't believe ketch killed Eileen using the one creature she's defenseless against, since the only way to know you have a hellhound on your back is by hearing them since they're invisible and of course she can't hear it coz she's deaf, i thought i couldn't hate ketch more than i already do but this episode proved me wrong, i hate buckleming episodes in general, there are few exceptions but mostly they suck, Mary's been such a missed opportunity this entire season indeed, i kept wanting to follow the cas story line with the nephilim and get interrupted by all of this mol crap too, this season had good episodes but the men of letters story sucks imo

ElysiaFields19

I'm not going to repeat what so many have said. We all hated the BMOL and we were supposed to. There are things I like about this episode and so many I despise BUT as much as I dislike HOW this sets up the next episode, I can tell you I NEVER get tired of watching episode 22. The last two episodes are unforgettable. I was already screaming inside because I wanted you to jump right in to the next one. Keep the faith, girl. I'm sorry you're so upset right now; we all were shrieking at our TV's after this but remember after the darkest of nights comes the faint light. Hold on to that and prepare yourself...❤️‍🩹🌄

rose mnor

Yeah, that's BuckLemming for you ... Such a great, emotional, and visceral reaction from you Shelley, thanks so much for the deep analysis of why that is, and the lols too ... Remember when you praised them to high heaven for A Little Slice of Kevin in S8, we said just wait Shelley, we have the unfair advantage of seeing the whole series. Aaaand ... tada ... this is it, this is one of many reasons anyway why we are not that enamored with them. By this point in the series, BuckLemming have run their course. They have stale and ran out of creative ideas already (yeah ... that power thingy between Crowley and Lucifer is so ... nonsensical, I can't even rationalize it in my mind). They have been here in SPN (since S7) and in the industry for so long, they have nothing imaginative and challenging to offer anymore. And that to explain (by the fans anyway) why they are still in the series, is due to nepotism. The way they killed Charlie and Eileen was so offensive and unimaginative, enough had been said about them already ... BuckLemming also liked to put characters in sexual situations with rap* adjacent plots without characters' agencies (hello human Cas with April in S08, mind-rap*ing Sam with Lady Bevill in this season ep 2, and Kelly Kline with Lucifer plot arc in Lotus). And they will brush it off without addressing those situations ... about how wrong that is ... By looking at writers' rosters and the positioning of their episodes, we can deduce that BuckLemming and Bobo Berens seemed to be on the same rank up to this season, but from next season (S13) onwards, they will surpass Bobo's position. Next episode, this season Bobo had the toughest job of pulling the BMOL plot threads in the penultimate episode for Dabb to bring the season to the finale, and he knocked it out of the park in my opinion. It was one of the best, and one of my most favorite episodes of the series. And I cannot wait for that ... so excited for those two last ones. Unfortunately for us, for the rest of the series, BuckLemming will be the one to tie up the seasons' threads and bring the seasons together in penultimate episodes, for Dabb to end them in the finales ... we'll see how that one goes...

Meileen

I don't hate the BMOLs as much as everyone else. I mean it's not that they are my favorite or anything, but I like the moral and ethical questions they raise. This season makes the viewers face a lot of moral dilemmas and they are the reason for a lot of it. For instance, they have wiped out all werewolves in England (maybe the UK? I can't remember which is specified). And our main question is 'well what about the good ones.' But you also have face that, if you wipe out all werewolves, then no one else gets turned which means no more good or bad werewolves which means no more humans murdered by werewolves. You could save hundreds of thousands of humans by killing thousands of werewolves. So, you have to weigh if human life is more valuable than werewolves. Is it moral to kill them all to preserve human life? These are interesting and complicated questions to ask. And it's why I appreciate some of what they brought to the season. The storyline that I hate and see no value in is Lucifer. You are way more interested in him than I am personally. I wish he got Kelly pregnant and went down to the cage and we never heard from him again. Because I hate everything about the OOC decisions Crowley makes. And just everything that involves Luicfer after that point. I mean you wanna get mad about the power switch nonsense here...the fact that that vessel even exists is stupid and not properly explained. Also, I think you will be very pleased with the next episode. It has literally my favorite moment of the entire series. Despite my critisms of this season, I still really like it better than lot of the other ones you have seen so far which I know people adamantly disagree with. But there is a lot of character growth in this season. And character is more important to me than plot most of the time. Especially on a show with this many episodes.

YazH

I completely agree about the Crowley /Lucifer storyline in Season 12...however I have to say (unpopular opinion) I would go even further : I would not have brought Lucifer back after Season 5 at all, nor Crowley after Season 6. Their storylines were great in both seasons respectively, and bringing each back, took away from that IMO.

Amye Sabin

I do too. I HATED this season with a passion, esp for killing Mick & Eileen, etc.<p></p> <p>But on re-watch, I'm finding most of these episodes are worth watching again (unlike S7).</p>

Amye Sabin

*gasp* You take that back about Crowley! LOL <p></p> <p>S8-S10 Crowley was great. First as the big bad who gains some humanity back, then as Dean's summer bro-mance. Even in S7 he helped against the Leviathan. What was great about S7 Crowley is that there was just enough of him. </p> <p>This season Crowley, though....I felt for poor Mark. Though I did like the Crowley/Cas stuff.</p>

YazH

Sorry, sorry! I thought there were some great Crowley moments in Seasons 8-10 e.g. the howl at the moon line at the end of 9, but the Season 6 arc was such a perfect use of his character, I felt it did the character a disservice to extend it. But completely accept that my opinion is definitely in the minority! lol And yeah, Season 12 was pretty Groundhog Day-ish when it came to Crowley and Lucifer.

Freethinker Ang

I actually like season 12. Also, this is supernatural. Not every death is “poetic” or a nice death. The show has never been about that. Eileen isn’t a main character so I wasn’t shocked that she died. Also, it’s weird that people choose to be offended by how she died as if that isn’t the whole point. Ketch used the hellhounds. She would have died no matter what, but she was defenseless. It’s supposed to be disturbing. That’s not bad writing