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Supernatural - 12x22 “Who We Are” Full Reaction (Patreon)

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CrystalDeth

Don't care about specs/possibilities...I LOVE the grenade launcher scene and how both Sam and Dean were so gung ho about it with huge smiles!

Kit

The scene with dean and Mary is my favourite scene in the entire show. I think Dean says some stuff that he’s needed to say for a very long time, and I love that he got to say it. I love that we now have a completely canon, un-arguable proof that dean is sams parent, because dean deserves the credit. Jensen absolutely kills this scene, as expected. One of my favourite things about this scene and also this episode is how fitting all of the decisions are to the characters. Like the way that dean only lists things that happened to Sam because dean cares more about Sam than himself, and the way dean melts when he sees baby Sam (HIS SON!!! I adored this moment), and the way that dean immediately follows up his expression of hatred to Mary with love and forgiveness because that is who dean is. But there are also so many other moments where the decisions are so in-character, like Sams decision to lead the hunters to fight the MoL whereas dean stayed and fought for family (Sam being bigger picture and dean being about family). also the way that when they were stuck in the bunker Sam tried to solve it using magic, dean tried to solve it first with mechanical knowledge and logic, then with a big bold decision (which is just perfect representations of how they both solve things). I loved the bitch jerk moment, and I love how it’s basically become their way of telling each other they love them. another great moment is when dean is such a proud parent with Sam leading and giving a big speech. There’s really no surprise given how well written all the characters were this episode that it was written by Berens.

YazH

The scenes in Mary's head where Dean says 'I hate you' and that whole monologue breaks my heart every time I watch it. Jensen blows me away with his talent and his subtlety and his skill of showing vulnerability and love and anger and forgiveness. The amazing thing about him in scenes like that is that you can’t see him acting. He just IS the person. How can someone be THAT pretty, be THAT nice AND be THAT talented. Mind-blowing. Makes me think of that movie The Wedding Date where the best friend is like 'That guy is unreal! You should send God a bottle of wine or a quiche, or something'. I feel the need to do the same about Jensen ;) I do agree with you, though, that the Sam feeling he needed to be a follower not a leader came completely out of the blue. There was no build up to that...it's almost like there was a missing episode that would make that make sense. And am so so glad to see the back of the BMOL. So glad Toni Bevell and Ketch in particular were killed. Fuck 'em! Not the least of which just for the caricaturish posh 'English' accents. PSA from an English person to CW casting agents: Australians and Canadians doing 'English' (Insert Jared air-quote claw-fingers here) accents do NOT, I repeat NOT, sound English! (N.B. Nor do Kiwis. Ref: The Boys...but that's another story!) Last point: I hope one of the clever video editors who sends you con clips sends you some of J2 talking about this episode. Some interesting insights :)

AdoptDontShopPets

I agree with Shelley that much of what Dean expresses about having to be “more than a brother,” is best directed at John. I do wish he would get a chance to say those words to John. I feel that Dean is so harsh in blaming Mary, because otherwise he would only blame himself for not being able to protect Sam, and that is just too much for him to bear. I like Sam’s pep talk to the hunters. Sam can be a good leader if the show/Dean let’s him. Seems to me that Dean is a natural leader and Sam is a reluctant one. I am very glad that Sam was successful in his mission. I hope this gives him more confidence.

Hasnaa

i loooove that you said that it's unfair to blame it all on Mary coz it is!! The angels had a plan to have Michael as dean and lucifer as Sam fight the big battle, it was gonna happen no matter what, Mary didn't start any of it, she was just a pawn in their game, she didn't really have much of a choice and she didn't even know what she was saying yes to, she just wanted to save john, and she definitely isn't why they had a shitty childhood! That was all john, you said John's flaw was that he tried to be a dad but not a mom but he didn't even try to be a dad, he tried to be a sergeant father, a general and make his sons his soldiers, he wasn't there most of the time, just someone who gives orders from far away and punish you if you didn't follow them, until you start internalizing it yourself and punish yourself for every little misstep, i always said that scene between dean and Mary should've been between john and dean, that would've been 1000 times more impactful and powerful coz we have that history, we've seen it, but unfortunately JDM is too successful and too busy so Mary it is lol, i do love that dean finally acknowledged that it's not fair what's been put on his shoulder from the age of 4!! That was the first time he let himself acknowledge how unfair it is, We've come so far from episode 1x08 "something wicked" where Sam tried to defend dean and tell him he was just a kid and dean stopped him and said don't defend me dad is right you were my responsibility and i failed you, and I'm glad that he's letting his feelings out and realizing how he feels even if i believe they're misplaced, even Sam doesn't hold anything that happened to him against Mary but i guess dean being sam's parent he doesn't ever want to see his child hurt and it feels so painful to not being able to stop it and feel like you failed, you must look for something or someone to blame other than yourself. I am with you on the all Americans are better than the Brits thing, it's so dumb, i wish it was just two groups with different way of thinking instead of just oh different nationalies and us vs them, so over this plot too and fucking finally ketch gets what's coming for him, hate him so much, i did find sam's story this episode very satisfying, imo dean doesn't need to get a leader moment coz he doesn't need that, sam's always been the one interested in working with other hunters while dean has always been more interested in forming strong relationships with the few people he chooses to consider as family, his story needed for him to expand beyond only having Sam as his family but it never needed him to be in charge, because he's always been in charge, he's always been the leader, Sam on the other hand lived his whole life following dean and living in his shadow but he finally grew up, and dean needed to learn to let Sam fly, to have faith in him to not be the helicopter parent all the time, dean's look of pride after sam's motivational speech is everything to me, he's like "i did okay with this one even though I had little", i am so proud of Sam, dean is the sort of character that he's happy if the people he loves are happy, he's very selfless and loving. now that we cleaned up that mess, can we go back to the actual story or at least the only one i care about, the one involving a certain trenchcoat angel, where SPN actually excels, following cas, please and thank you.

Amye Sabin

Dean finally got to use his rocket launch! LOL <p></p> <p>Goodbye BMoL! Love that Jody got to kick butt and kill Dr. Hess. BTW that actress is the same one who played Layla's mother in the S1 episode 'Faith'. The one who hated Dean for being cured, and not her daughter. Guess she's always had it in for Dean. LOL</p>

Kit

I so agree with absolutely everything here! Jensen really is supreme. I’m also English and I agree! The accents sound ridiculous (and sorry Karl urban, but so does butcher in the boys)

AdoptDontShopPets

I have done S12 video for Shelley that she’ll watch this month. I have Jensen talking about the big scene with Mary. What I am lacking is Jared talking about Sam feeling the need to step up and be a leader. So if anyone knows of a good con clip where he talks about that, I can include it now or maybe in my January video.

JoDaNa81

After you finish this season, you should definitely check out the video at youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=gOrzbHMI6FA. It's a recap of Season 12, done to Metallica's "Nothing Else Matters".

Susan Stork

I agree 100%. Perfect depiction of the characters and their decisions. Great job.

BexFangirl

I absolutely love all the Dean in Mary's head scenes. Love this episode for these scenes.

YazH

Very cool! I can't think of a Jared one off-hand but will have a think :)

YazH

So well-put: 'Sam being bigger picture and Dean being about family'

YazH

I think it is important that Dean verbalises his anger towards Mary, and it is equally good that he says immediately after that he understands ...because he has made deals, too. Plus, he has already had the opportunity to express his feelings to his father: in real life because his father lived whereas Mary wasn't around e.g. in S1 when John tells Dean off for not telling him about Sam's visions, in S2 when he was angry at John for making the deal with the YED, and then in S3 in Dean's mind in Dream a Little Dream of Me when his dream self says 'My father was an obsessed bastard! All that crap he dumped on me, about protecting Sam! That was his crap. He's the one who couldn't protect his family. He-He's the one who let Mom die – who wasn't there for Sam. I always was! He wasn't fair! I didn't deserve what he put on me. And I don't deserve to go to Hell!'. I think S12 in general, and the Mary's mindwalk monologue in particular, is the first time Dean has fully articulated complicated feelings he has had since he was four about idolising the idea of his mom and putting her memory up on a pedestal, but resenting her leaving and for her choices before he was born and then realising she is flawed and is only human when she comes back.

YazH

You have made me think about Sam being a reluctant leader and maybe that's also partly because he was destined to be a leader of Hell, and he was so horrified by all of that and what happened in S2/3/4 that he subconsciously shied away from anything resembling that role.

Amye Sabin

Thanks for the recommendation. I've never seen it, so I'll check it out.

Rae

i have been waiting for this ep! a top 5 episode for me. the sam leadership moments?!?! that dean let his anger and feelings out and got closure?! that he said he understands because he has made deals for the ones he loves, more than once. he is so family centered, he is a parent, he is so loyal. the being a father and mother hits HARD for those of us who grew up performing that role for our younger siblings. john 100% needs to hear this too. and jody!! kicking ass and being a mom and taking mary out! i cry so many times every rewatch of this episode. this episode marks a long run of top tier episodes (for me) so i'm just excited about the next month or so!

Rae

all of this.

Christopher simeon

I think if you give mary's choices a pass then you have to give John's choices a pass. Mary made a deal with a demon rather than be alone. She is the reason her family was destroyed. John was not who he became until Mary died so that change is on her.

rose mnor

Great reaction Shelley, and such a great episode ... I kind of agree with some of your analysis, and some kinda, not ... lol. Okay, so here we go ... In my opinion, I feel that 'Dean needing to talk to Mary about mistakes and blames' is actually used by the narrative to PULL Mary out of her brainwashing, and not necessarily putting 'the blame' on her, per se. It is spoiler-ish right now in talking about how the show is or is not 'putting blame on Mary' so I will stop now and leave it at that. Dean had to say all kinds of triggering things that Mary felt because he saw that Mary was avoiding and distancing away from him in her mind (as shown by him putting his hand on her arm and her pulling away from him, in her kitchen mind). He had to make her stop and listen to him - to get her attention as you say - and what better strategy than to 'force' her to process what he wanted - by saying "I hate you" and all the triggering things that she had already put on herself. We immediately saw that he quickly absolved Mary's actions (he understands where Mary is coming from), so, in my opinion, he didn't necessarily truly believe all that he said and wanted Mary to put all that baggage on herself ... just ... just to get her out of that dang brainwash ... Now, having written all that ... whoa boy, that scene ... it felt so satisfying to watch Dean say all of that to Mary, so cathartic and such a relief, and for Mary to hear all those things that Dean had to do in order to survive and to protect Sam all this while, from all the things that had happened in their lives ... such a big moment ... which made me think that he might have glossed over those events when he talked about them to Mary before ... Also, Dean blaming Mary for dying is what I think most young children felt when they lost their parents during their childhood, and as a consequence of that loss, they suffered in life. Yeah, I am aware that it is unreasonable and unfair because death is not something that we choose in life to do (it's not logical/rational thinking). So I give Dean a pass. Also about Dean bringing up Mary's mistakes and not John's, from a story point of view, John had already realized his wrongdoings to Dean in S2 In My Time of Dying, but whether we as viewers and fans felt it enough is another matter altogether ... In my opinion it's not about who had made more or bigger wrongdoings - John or Mary. I get that this time show wants it to be about Mary's complicated turn of events. (ETA: more clarification in the reply section). S02E01 JOHN: You know, when you were a kid, I'd come home from a hunt, and after what I'd seen, I'd be, I'd be wrecked. And you, you'd come up to me and you, you'd put your hand on my shoulder and you'd look me in the eye and you'd... You'd say "It's okay, Dad" (pauses) Dean, I'm sorry. DEAN: What? JOHN: You shouldn't have had to say that to me, I should have been saying that to you. You know, I put, I put too much on your shoulders, I made you grow up too fast. You took care of Sammy, you took care of me. You did that, and you didn't complain, not once. I just want you to know that I am so proud of you. And as someone else had stated in earlier comments above, Dean (and Sam) had sort of 'confronted' and had already expressed their feelings about their dad, in Sam's case, about how he feels TO their dad (The Song Remains the Same) ... though, again, whether we feel it's sufficient enough is a whole other issue. So reiterating how they feel about their dad's mistakes, in-show to viewers, is kinda repetitive ... as John had already owned some of those mistakes ... And unpacking emotional past events has to be at the season's end because, at the beginning of the season, Mary is still a stranger to Dean and Sam (also where's the fun in that if they unpack everything so early, lol). Not talking to each other is understandable, until it is not ... They most likely tip-toed over each other feelings, not wanting to make waves or overwhelmed the other, too conscious about not wanting to make the other feel offended like strangers do ... until they get to know each other better ... On a separate matter, how I feel about the BMOL storyline is almost the same as how I felt about the leviathan - there are no personal attachments from the main villain/the big bad. Personal here means the connection between the Winchesters to the season's big bad, until (for the BMOL) Mary made contact with them. So I just kinda feel, eh ... (to clarify - personal to the Winchesters as in the Azazel and the Lucifer 'closeness' kind of it all). On the other hand, they (BMOL) do contribute to lots of good episodic feel and underlying threats to our heroes throughout the season as compared to S7 leviathan, whose threats kinda disappeared in the middle of the season. So this elevates S12 from the former season for me.

Hasnaa

i think you don't give john enough agency, i don't understand why some people claim it was inevitable for john to do what he did after mary made the deal, he had a lifetime of making the wrong decision, mary made one split second decision that she didn't even understand and got crucified for it for the rest of her life, while john chose every day to go on a revenge war path and neglict his kids instead of letting go and prioritize his kids and be a dad, that's the difference for me, john had a lifetime of second chances and he failed everyday and still gets a pass as "did his best", yellow eyes was gonna come to sam's house and bleed into sam's mouth deal or no deal coz that's heaven's plan and sam and dean are the perfect vessels it's in their blood and it's not like demons need premission to do anything, "the deal" was just for theatre

Adavan

I agree completely with everything you've written here! Thanks so much for stating it so clearly, much clearer than I ever could have hoped to. 😊

AdoptDontShopPets

Yes, I am one of those who feel that John’s 2x01 apology gave John some catharsis, but less for Dean. John gave his apology with Dean barely saying a word, then John told him he has to save his brother or kill him. Dean’s mind was spinning. I doubt he really got to process the apology and wonder if he even remembers much about it. I say this particularly as Dean clearly still had a lot of bottled up fury over his dad, given his outburst against his dream demon-self in 3x10. I know they wanted JDM for that scene, but he was unavailable. That would have helped me feel like Dean got the catharsis he needed by saying the words to dream John, that he could never say to real John.

rose mnor

Yes, I agree with you here, that is what I mean by whether we as viewers/fans feel that apology was sufficient enough, is another matter altogether as there are a lot of issues to unpack from all sides, which I am not going to deep dive into here. I mean from a story perspective, canonically speaking, John already did own up to some of his past mistakes to Dean. So it's kinda not necessary to bring that up again at this point of the story. And by virtue of Mary being brought alive, for Dean, it is now Mary's turn to face the complications of their past history.

rose mnor

ETA - for clarification - This is to clarify that this part of the comment is to address Shelley's saying that show should have directed Dean's problematic childhood to John instead of to Mary. The show had already addressed that John is remorseful on this matter. It is Mary's turn now to be confronted with this issue (in whatever form) as a result of both parents' choice of actions in the narrative, whether those choices were intentional or not. I am not going on John's defender bandwagon here. But it is canon that John's foremost thoughts after deciding to surrender his soul to Azazel as a trade for saving Dean and in anticipation of his eventual death, is first and foremost to apologize and own his mistake to Dean, in him making Dean the caretaker role of their family. It is literally his deathbed confession. But as Sam's said in the next episode, "... it's a little too late" already ...

Meileen

I agree with all of this. I would like to add that for me Dean talking about all the terrible stuff that happened to Sam isn't just because he cares about Sam more than himself. It's because Dean's happiness comes from the people he loves being happy and safe. We see that in Dark Side of the Moon. So, it is those people's suffering that hurts worse for him than his own, because he couldn't fix it.

Meileen

I'm not going to argue that John isn't responsible for his actions. He is. I believe we are all responsible for our actions even if they are made under duress or with good intentions. Thats the trouble with humanity we often can't predict the outcome of our actions. And really in the SPN world, where we know that there is a God, it's hard to quantify something like responsibility. But the point here is that Mary made a deal and it had consequences. Regardless of if she understood them or not. For me, Mary's greatest sin is what she did after the deal. She grew up hunting. She knew demon deals were bad news. Sure, Azazel said he wouldn't hurt anyone, but he told her he would want something in 10 years. And it's utterly naive for Mary to have believed that wasn't dangerous. Yet, she chose to ignore that, and attempt to have a normal life. She didn't have her house protected from demons. She had all the knowledge to try to fight and she didn't. She had no defenses in place. Obviously, we can't say what would of happened if she made different decisions. But this episode isn't about that. It's about both Dean and Mary acknowledging how her choices affected their family. And figuring out how to move past that. Of course a highly emotional Dean, who is in his mother's hijacked mind, is going to be hyperbolic and lay all the blame at her feet. And a guilt-ridden Mary is going to try to shoulder all the blame as well. It doesn't mean that they logically believe that. But it's what they feel. And it just isn't about John in this moment. It's just not.

Meileen

So, this episode is very therapeutic for me. Because it's about a mother facing how her actions affected her kids. And a child acknowledging that he has felt hate for his mother. We so often see fathers portrayed as the ones who fucked their kids up in media. This show definitely started with those themes. And it's something I'm personally really over in media. I know it's a real thing for many people but it feels like its always a bad father. And I know that mothers in our society often have more pressure put on them. But for kids with mothers who hurt them, it's hard for people to understand. Mothers are the person, as kids, we are supposed to respect, love, and defend. People don't understand when you hate your mother. They act like you are the problem. It's just not fathomable to most people that a mother can be just as bad as a father. We see it all the time when mothers kill their kids. Everyone just can't believe that they did it. Because no mother would. That's the lie our society tells us. So, yeah, I needed this. I needed him to not just forgive her for her sake and hold back how it really made him feel. Because I've been trapped in that situation of forgiving my mother because I wanted her to be OK. But not actually expressing how everything she did impacted me. And unfortunately, in media, we don't see this alot. But almost every show I have ever watched has at least one character with issues stemming from their father. So, yeah, I'm glad this wasn't about John.

JoDaNa81

How'd you like it?

Ed

This British Men of Letters B.S. is as bad as I remember it.