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Foxie

I’ve been on a binge of your reactions and I was so excited for this episode. You seem like an amazing person, honestly I wish I could meet you (and your beautiful kitty of course)

Hasnaa

First of all, love the T-shirt 🥰, secondly i was just as hype as you when I saw the notification for this reaction, this is my favorite episode of the season and one of my favorites of the entire show, Steve yockey literally never misses, he didn't write a single bad episode for this show since he joined in season 12, his writing is great in general and he writes all the characters super well but my god he's my favorite person to write for Rowena!!! He always gives us great Rowena content, this episode is fit to watch in June 🌈, the reason why this episode is so gay is because yockey is gay lol which also explains him writing women so well, chef's kiss, Noah is by far my favorite MOTW in the entire show i was actually sad that he was killed so quickly, the way he slapped cas twice before kissing him, chef's kiss, yockey just said i will give cas his first gay kiss, it will be a non con and you'll love it and thank me for it 🤣, the secret is make it a cheek kiss instead of on the lips, it was so funny, i laugh everytime, Rowena always flirted with cas and i love it, i think she likes to see him get so flustered because he often doesn't know how to reply and gets flustered and it's cute af, i get it, girl, i would do the exact same thing, remember when she called him tweetie pie in funeralia which was another great Rowena episode from yockey 🥰, no matter which episode you choose, this or nihilism Steve yockey wins since he wrote both, i love that you mentioned loving episodes that begins as something and turn out to be something entirely different, yockey is so good at that, remember Advanced Thanatology? It was a yockey episode and it also started as a MOTW episode like this one and took a huge shocking turn when Billie showed up, beautiful, this episode did it even better because in advanced Thanatology the case was a bit slow and was a normal ghost but this episode i loved both the MOTW part and the plot part and thought the pace with excellent, i wish Noah was a recurring villain, god i can gush about yockey forever i need to move on. This episode gave me everything I was living, i got a cute destiel coffee date with their son, i got samwena fake dating aaaaaaaaaah, this episode and next one are my favorite two episodes this season, next episode also gives me another ship that i love 😘.also loooooooove the shipper hat destiel blanket combo, you never looked cuter, i also enjoyed the sass about people's reactions to someone shipping dean/Donna or cas/Rowena vs someone shipping dean/cas, it's true and you should say it. This episode definitely needs a rewatch to get everything, that chicken and snake story also confused me so much on first watch but on a rewatch and hearing cas's explanation saying it's a story about giving up something you love to kill the thing you hate i finally got it, jack is the chicken, his soul is the egg and Michael is the snake, coz jack here finally got his revenge, last season he made a promise to kill Michael, so here he killed the thing he hates but what did he have to give up? That talk from cas about the eventuality of death for humans and that when they're gone it's going to hurt but the point is that you got to know and love them always feels to me like cas is preparing us for the end of this show and it makes me emotional 😭. I agree, jack, that does sound horrible. The stark contrast between this episode and last episode for me is glaring, i never liked it when supernatural played on nostalgia, this is where it's at, this group, this family, not an overglorified version of the nuclear family that could've been but never really were. These 5 characters are where it's at, i'm sorry. Ruthie, Ruthie, Ruthie the way that woman steals the show whenever she's on screen aaaaaaaah, she looked gorgeous so fabulous so hot so glamorous i love her so fucking much, she shines the brightest. Michael!Rowena is an upgrade from Michael!dean, don't come at me. The way on a rewatch of this episode you can see all the foreshadowing in this episode it's so brilliantly written, also dean always opens up to cas and asks cas to open up to him, he can't hide from cas even if he tried, not cas telling dean how strong he is to be able to hold Michael, the way he's just showering him with complements and dean visibility doesn't know what to do with them coz he doesn't believe he deserves them and no one gave him complements before without expecting something in return, so genuine so beautiful aaaaah i am not normal about this episode i can write an essay on it. The fact that jack found another way than Billie's books makes us question fate which is awesome we always were team free will, we always made it up as we went, Billie also told us that all the books were rewritten because dean made one choice so yeah what's to say that they can't be rewritten again because jack made one choice? I get chills everytime i watch that last scene where jack says, i am a winchester 🥺. This season is fucking great, the only stain on it is nick and Lebanon for me, the rest is absolutely solid, i know you will love next episode which is also Co-written by yocky, it has your favorite fan fic trope so look forward to that, this episode also gave us a fan fic trope with samwena fake dating and i will take the destiel coffee date as the closest we will get to a coffee shop AU, i love this family so much!! it's sad that both dates dean and cas were on involved dean asking cas to kill him 😭, this one and the burger date from season 10 when dean had the mark of Cain, why can't we have nice things!! in both dates dean tries to say he's okay and hide away but cas sees through it and says no you're not and dean opens up then asks cas to kill him 😭, the only other instant we have of the reverse, is when cas came back from purgatory and was trying to act like he's fine and dean saw through that and asked cas to talk to him and cas opened up and told dean that if he saw that he did to heaven he would want to kill himself, i just want one opening up scene that doesn't end with a conversation about killing yourself 😭. It's sad to lose the AU hunters tho and everything Sam built this season was gone just like that 😭. Lastly i just want to say that amazing episodes happen when you hire more diverse writers 💙. Also thank you so much for the early upload of this one, the anticipation for this episode was literally killing me, you know an episode is good when you get high on it 🤣 now i will be rewatching your reaction many times and getting high on it as well 😂

Rae

just responding to your excitement about s14 - YES i love this season. it POPS OFF in so many episodes! and as mentioned above Steve Yockey is one of the best things to happen to this show. What Ben Edlund was for Cas and fun/intense episodes for me in the early years Yockey is for this show (esp rowena) in the later seasons.

Hasnaa

Yes to all of that

Rae

and thank you for bringing back the shipper hat! love that for us destiel shippers. ♥️🥰

BexFangirl

Love your energy in this reaction. At the end of the episode here I was so hyped with you XD Honestly though, this episode was already on my fave episode list, but it was even better than I remembered. So much good stuff, so many fantastic scenes, just like you said.

BexFangirl

I have to add the Cas and Jack talk always. always makes me super emotional. I sometimes go and watch only that scene because I'm in a mood to get onto the feels. Also the Jack "I am a Winchester" moment. I loved it so much. Whatever it will or won't lead to, it's such a great moment. Of course I'm living for the Dean and Cas scenes. And the Sam and Rowena team up is also great to see every time.

Brenda Lewis

I knew this episode would have a bit of everything that Shelley would love. We got ship all over the place, Destiel, Samwena. Cas is just plain worried about everyone, and with good reason. I'm not sure at this point if Jack is the chicken, the egg, the snake or all three at once. But I figured it that out later. We got a GREAT monster like I haven't seen in a long time. Very charismatic, if it wasn't for the eating people thing lol. We have Michael on the loose, and then Jack kills him. "I AM A WINCHESTER!" Hell, yeah you are Jack! I love the episode that start one place and then finish somewhere completely different. I couldn't have guessed where we were going based on how it started. So much happened. This is one of my favorite of this season. Personally I love this season and 15 too. True there are some clunky episodes, but so does every season

Purple Nurple

I can't count the screams Shelley gave in this episode haha. Love it though! It's a great episode and at the beginning of the episode we thought 'monster of the week' but at the end it's like 'bye Michael'

AdoptDontShopPets

This is a really great episode. Some bts: Dean getting his head knocked into the wall was practical effect. Since it was a closeup on Jensen’s face, no stunt double. They made a foam pad/wall for him to hit. For me, it was a bit of a let down for Michael to break free and then be killed within 5 minutes but that’s what happens when you only have 20 episodes and not 23, I guess. I did like Jack saying “I am a Winchester” though so that moment was exciting. And Maggie’s dead, so for me that’s a plus.

AdoptDontShopPets

I think there are still a small number of AU hunters left. Over 20 came from the AU and we haven’t seen quite that many killed

Hasnaa

Good point

Purple Nurple

Favourite bit of the reaction 'eww cucumber', seconds later - even more grossed out from human liver and eyeballs.

Leticia

loved your reaction to this episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jay

Ah I love this episode and Shelley's screaming was the best! Looking forward to the next one, too, which is another of my favourites this season.

Helen Wood

Absolutely flawless episode. I love it.

SKK

😂

SKK

Love-love-love this episode. 🥰 Stakes, human cost, great guest cast (particularly the villain), complexity re themes and myth arc, intelligent integration of show history, subtle and overt characterization... Firing on so many cylinders. I don't know why, but this episode gives me season 4 vibes.

Susan Stork

I can't really add anything more to what's already been said. So, ditto😁 this is a superb episode. I, personally, an not a shipper, but I say, if you are then go for it. I would never chastise someone for that. Actually, I am a Dean (Jensen) and me shipper😁😁😁 or is that stalker? Oh whatever. Anyway, I love your visceral reaction to this episode. I hope you were alone in your house so no one thought something bad was happening to you because of the screams!! This season is great. I love 3 other episodes this season including the finale, so let's go!

SKK

Ha! Jinx re season comparisons. That'll teach me to post before I watch the end of the reaction. 😜

AussieOfSteel

Honestly Season 14 is one of my favorites and it's nice to see someone else acknowledge it as well. Everything just seems to firing on all cylinders in the writing department. Episodes feel "smarter" in the sense that they all seem to neatly flow together, and I also like how it's less about big scope and feels more interpersonal and character focused.

rose mnor

This episode is massively, massively fantastic I don't have enough noteworthy words to shower my admiration - the foreshadowing, the foreboding, and the feeling of dread and trepidation, raised goosebumps all over my arms watching that ending scene in real-time, invoked by the background music at the end there when Jack's wings spread across the tv screen ... and he declared that his archangel powers were restored back ... and his three fathers watched him with identical apprehensive and fearful expressions on their faces ... did he, what, burnt his soul to defeat Michael ... raising the question by us all, was there any left at all because this certainly required a seriously significant effort on his part, whereby we saw earlier even with coughing he needed to burn a certain amount? and to kill an archangel ... how much will it even take ... ... re about the case/villain of the week - whoa boy Steve Yockey's Noah, according to his script "I've always had a sense about people. And I can tell that you definitely want things" about the people he targeted ... ... and yeah, Yockey's subtext of Noah expressing interest in Dean and Cas was very loud to me - he targeted both Dean and Cas specifically, - writing the note - or putting forward/expressing his attention - to Dean, - and then kissing Cas, - he addressed only Dean, “Hello Dean, wish I could say it was nice to meet you in person,” (Sam was there too, Noah, lol) ... - and whammy both Cas and Dean - both literally out cold on the floor - one from the poisoned kiss and the other from a head wound. ... and on top of that, before they went into the case, Yockey sat that particular pair with their son on the sofa, together, with visually matching colors on the three of them ... and Rowena said prior to that " ... everything means something" ... What even is this subtext Yockey is giving us, lol ... Cas talking to Jack about losing their humans, CAS: The point is, that they were here at all, and you got to know them, you… When they’re gone, it will hurt, but that hurt will remind you of how much you loved them ... ... that line took me back to Cas's omitted one (from the episode of Prophet And Loss) to Dean, Castiel: According to your plan, the world loses you, and me -- I -- I lose you too, and that is unacceptable to me, Dean. Unacceptable. Totally. Six episodes are left for the season and most are plotty ones ... from these balance episodes, the finale imo, is one of SPN's best - funny and angsty with a side of frustration, so as per usual SPN fashion ... that will propel us into the final season, S15 ... cannot wait to watch all that with you, Shelley ... ETA: from the Production script Blue Draft, JACK: I'm not a chiId. I'm the son of Lucifer. I'm a Hunter. I'm a Winchester ! This goes on hit, flare, hit, flare, with Jack growing stronger and stronger, closer and closer untiI... JACK: And I'm the chicken and the snake. MichaellRowena is confused-- but CASS knows what Jack's talking about-- CASTIEL: Jack! No! via link: Page 51/52 Production script (Blue Draft) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tx63Uvlt6OfKIoS_NEzABEyn44qRwX9b/view

Lauran Mitchell

Yes he did target Dean and Cas specifically, didn't he? Sam and Rowena he called "the tall man and the witch". This when, based on the trucker, his victim pool most definitely includes closeted gay men! 😂

YazH

This reaction is why I LOVE your channel! I love how much you love this show. I completely feel you on the catching a head high from Supernatural. (Who among us, indeed?) And I'd forgotten how good this episode was. I think Jack's the chicken, coz he sacrificed what he loved (his humanity).

Amye Sabin

I could care less that we lost some AU hunters. Maggie in particular was grating. Other than AU Bobby, AU Charlie and Maggie, the show just didn't develop them, so to me they're fodder or an annoyance (Maggie).

Amye Sabin

This is where I think Jack gets more interesting as a character. Does he have any soul left? If not, how does it affect him as a nephilm? Will he start dieing again? Will he go evil? Or is there just enough to keep him alive and good? I didn't care for Michaelena, but Ruthie probably had little to no time to work on her imitation of Christian/Jensen. Noah, OTOH was a very interesting character and acted so well. I really liked his portrayal, even though he was evil. And I love that Jack got the kill.

Hasnaa

@amye i don't have an attachment to the AU hunters but i am sad for Sam, it's something he spent a lot of time developing, he is a good leader and now he will blame and doubt himself

Michele

I'm the same as you regarding John. I don't hate him like some others do. Not everyone does. Those who do are very vocal about how they feel and it can seem as if they're the majority. I personally think most fans are more neutral. They may not think he's a great guy, but they do appreciate what he's done and that he may have been a shitty father, but he did love his boys. Some have taken on the belief that he was a very physically and mentally abusive father. The showrunners in later seasons gave us a mixed bag regarding John. Some writers had nice bits in the script about him, some had shitty bits. For me, it's the lack of respecting canon that bothers me the most. Later seasons seem to like to retcon things and John is one of those things. About this episode - It's good, but I got bothered by nitpicking issues with how things were done. It made no sense that Sam and Cas didn't put the cuffs on Dean after he got knocked out. That seems like an obvious precaution. Things like that frustrate me and can affect how much I enjoy an episode becuase things don't make sense. Sometimes things are done in later seasons just out of convenience without even seeming to try to cross all the T's and dot all the I's.

Foxie

I’m hoping to be at Austin too, so maybe I will get the chance to meet you. If not then I hope to see you at another one. Moneys tight so they might sell out before I can get one.