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Supernatural - 15x17 "Unity" Full Reaction (Patreon)

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NSTG_Eddie

3 more all i can say after this one is Buckle Up! <3

Rae

been waiting for this one. i'm sorry it was a tough one/the beginning of the grieving the end. sending you lots of hugs - we know. been there. ♥️ i'm still not over this show ending tbh. i love what you said about amara, about this episode being profound, about being mad at dean and that struggle - i deeply relate. genuinely amara being consumed by chuck was a genuinely rage inducing moment for me. im so sad for jack. the trauma. the cycles ! the generational trauma !! dean is not his dad, but chuck knows his pain ("don't confuse me with your father") and he knows exactly what buttons to push in dean. i also agree totally that this feels like part 1 of a 2 part finale. to be free dean WILL have to let that anger go. i think it would take something huge to get him to that point, something extremely life altering. co-signing that team free will / the winchester family all deserve a happy ending. it's been enough. time for peace.

Karen Gauck

Nope. Still on Dean's side. Disagree with Sam 100% in this episode. Only ep in the series that made me hate him. I'm sorry the end being near hit you so hard after this episode Shelley. Just remember you get to start all over when you're done.

rose mnor

I haven't finished this reaction yet but ... ... at the 50-minute mark, you made me cry too, Shelley, thinking of this show how it is like imbued in myself I will always cry because of this dumb, stupid show ... if you were like me you will always be like this, feel like this about the show, sucks to be you and me right now, I know ... ... okay ... gonna continue now.

SKK

Everything Shelley said. 💕

SKK

Oh, I think we're meant to infer Adam's beef had to do with Chuck's manipulation of his sons. There was a throwaway line.

NSTG_Eddie

And I feel you Shelley it honestly didn’t hit me that this show actually is ending until the special before the finale. Which I hope you will react to cause it is one of the best specials of a Tv Show I’ve seen!

rose mnor

It is canon that Chuck put every obstacle in Dean's path. Chuck -- the one who can change the rules on the fly and bend everything in the universe to his will EXCEPT for the will of humanity -- was too committed to HIS STORY, too invested in his own story to let it go. When it didn’t go his way, instead of adapting and letting it become something else, he chose to punish all the characters he claimed were his favorites. He even just consumed Amara, and in Chuck’s eyes, it was by her own consent. But let's face it, it was shadily obtained consent via manipulation like we’ve seen for years from angels. From ep. 14 Last Holiday, Dean is already ready to bring back Jack into his heart (the source link is in the reply). Then afterward, end of the ep. 15 all had been revealed to Dean and Sam that Jack was gonna be killed in the fight against Chuck ... and Dean had to begin to emotionally distance himself from Jack. In this episode, Dean is like a trapped animal. I have never seen Dean this absolutely desperate, SO CLOSE to finally having freedom and practically out of his mind with desperation it's heartbreaking. He's had to convince himself that Jack doesn't count as family, that he will be okay sacrificing Jack... because we KNOW he thinks of Jack as family (see ep 14 script). What will a trapped animal do - will chew off its trapped limbs to get away. Just like Sam, Cas, and Jack, who are Dean's limbs - his support systems. He's put into a situation where he's willing to chew them off to be free. About Dean's anger - let Dean be angry ... Dean's anger throughout the first half of the season... In the first part of the season, we've been shown that his anger was not good. When Dean was in Purgatory this season, praying to Cas, admitting that he gets angry and he doesn’t know why, that was not just a reference to their troubled relationship, but to a lifetime of not letting himself express his anger freely, and facing the repercussions of that repressed anger as it explodes out of him in sudden bursts. His inability to let go of his anger towards Cas is destroying their relationship. When Dean talks about his anger in that scene in regard to Cas, right in the middle of their breakup, the whole catalyst of his prayer is about his anger, and how he can’t let go of his anger. How he’s sorry he got so angry at Cas. That scene in purgatory where Dean admitted that he was so full of anger he was letting it out in all directions, THAT ANGER wasn’t okay. But the 2nd part - anger is the emotion that enables him to come out of this hamster wheel situation, so ... imo Dean is taking somewhere with his anger, which in the past, as said above, he felt the need to repress to keep the peace (which resulted in some violent outbursts), or has, turned that anger inward as guilt. See, if Dean isn’t angry anymore, if he “accepts his life,” and lets go of “the myth of a better life” as per Amara in ep 15 Give Me Shelter, he’s not as dangerous. He’s not as much of a threat to Chuck. When we talk about anger, there are many ways that anger can be expressed, either how we adapt to its coping mechanism or how we direct the coping process, that is - the expression of the anger - meaning the anger itself is a valid emotion. Now, his anger, his fury … he knows why he is angry and he knows who he is angry at. Basically, we are seeing him accept and in the process, he gets angry at the appropriate … cosmic dicks. And that kind of anger can also be incredibly empowering. Imo the writers are showing us how Dean takes his anger and uses it to reclaim power over his own life and the lives of his family. If one could think about Dean (and his family) as being manipulated by Chuck as similar to someone trapped in an abusive relationship, then it is often anger that is the one emotion that gives the victim the strength they need to leave the abusive relationship. That’s a real thing. And to deny the incredible necessity of anger in dealing with being made a victim of any kind of abuse is ... imo, wrong ... If I was in Dean's place I'd be freaking pissed so yes, his anger in this case is completely valid. He's literally been fucked with his entire life ... if he wasn't angry I'd be concerned ... and angry at God himself... I mean how do you even begin to address your grievances here? to an all-powerful being who just doesn't care and hurts you for his entertainment? like DAMN RIGHT HE'S ANGRY and let him be angry ...

rose mnor

So in this episode, Dean said that Jack is not like Sam and Cas, and also not family. SAM: Last I checked, we don't give up on family. DEAN: Jack's not family. I know how you feel about the kid, okay. I care for him, too. I do. But he's not like you. He's not like Cas. He's just not. It is so very interesting to find that in Ep 14 Last Holiday Studio/Network draft script version, which is the earlier stage script before the Production Script draft, Dean did forgive Jack and considered him family. The following are the lines from the OG script as compared to the aired episode: (in the dungeon when Mrs B locks Jack and Dean together) From OG script, DEAN: But you... you're one of us, and you have a chance to make it right, and-- you're gonna save the friggin' universe. So... let's just focus on that. Okay? (the stage direction) ON JACK. Not the answer he wanted, but he nods. Okay As compared to the aired episode: (same scene but the lines were revised) JACK: Do you still think I’m a monster? DEAN: Okay, I’m just going to say this, okay? Just get it out there. Jack. I’m trying, okay? I really am. But what you did, that’s not easy to forget. Now I was angry with you, for a while. And maybe I still am a little bit, okay? But I’m not gonna let some evil Mary Poppins take you out. Do you understand? Page 38/47 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WdMR-Br2fgNRcbF0ZFdlXZRimIchcMmo/view So above was the setup scene, and we were supposed to be rewarded with the payoff scene, as per the following, (the climatic scene that leads to a reformed Mrs. B) From OG script, SAM: Mrs. Butters, don't! MRS BUTTERS: Oh Samuel .... you'll thank me ... eventually. DEAN: No we won't. You said you didn't want to destroy this family, but Jack is our family. (the stage direction) Jack looks at Dean. Fences mended Page 43/47 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WdMR-Br2fgNRcbF0ZFdlXZRimIchcMmo/view The Studio/Network script emphasized that Dean puts Jack as family, as people they care about. But instead, we got this, From aired episode: : SAM: You hurt him [Jack], you hurt us. SAM: By trying to kill the people we care about? DEAN: He could save the world. MRS. BUTTERS: What? DEAN: He can save the world. DEAN: That’s why we're here, isn’t it? Us, the Men of Letters. That’s the whole mission, is saving the world. He can do exactly that! Tldr; canonically Sam was the one that put Jack as someone they care about while Dean put more on Jack as the one that can save the world, while Studio/Network script said the reverse. In short, fr ep 14, from behind-the-scenes, the ptb had specifically changed Dean’s perspective towards Jack as, - consider Jack as a family again - sub-textually has forgiven Jack Whereas in ep 17, Dean canonically hasn't yet ... ETA: Ugh ... I forgot the payoff for the setup canon scene ... So from the OG script (pg 47/47), Sam gave Jack a cupcake that Mrs B left for his pretend birthday ... whereas in the aired episode, Dean's the one who baked a birthday cake for Jack. And we as a fandom, collectively can agree, imo, that one of Dean's many love languages is food ... so that's the subtextual payoff that the previous dungeon setup scene had established ... on mending fences ...

SKK

You've made such good points about the anger being necessary, making Dean a threat to Chuck, an empowerment, etc. I couldn't quite put my finger on how I feel about Dean's... feelings (What a dumb sentence, but you know what I mean. 😜) Thank you!

rose mnor

Emotionally speaking, I so wanted Dean to have his peace with Jack and mend their relationship, I wanted them to reconcile so badly. But logically, I don’t think it’s inconsistent with Dean as a character or with his relationship to Jack. Dean has always struggled with his relationship with Jack - when Jack was born, he represented the loss of everyone Dean cared about (Cas, Mary, heck even Crowley) and he was Another Parental Burden and Dean did not want to have to raise another kid. Dean and Jack’s relationship isn’t linear. Most relationships aren’t. There are highs and lows, and after Mary is killed, it’s back to a low. And Dean making a cake at the end of episode 14 is Dean trying. It’s a step in the right direction, but it does not mean that the wounds have healed. Jack was already dead at the beginning of the season and now he was returned to them BUT ONLY because of THE Mission. Only because of Billie, and she didn’t return Jack out of the goodness of her heart ... But then they found out that Jack would die to carry out his mission. Is it any surprise that Dean wanted to emotionally distance himself from Jack? His apparent “okayness” with Billie’s plan is not out of revenge thing or lack of forgiveness towards Jack. He wasn’t the one pushing for Jack to become the sacrifice bomb to kill Chuck. But this cosmic situation, the one that had ripped Dean’s entire self-identity to shreds, had ONE possible ending, according to Billie and Jack. This was “the only way” to otherwise kill GOD HIMSELF. I mean, the ONE thing Dean has wanted all season was just to be free of this burden of saving the universe, as the main character in Chuck’s story. This is what Dean is struggling with all season -- whether or not his life has any meaning and if he can ever truly be free. Dean has always represented humanity and the most important key facet of humanity that this show presented is our free will. Dean’s biggest fear is that he has no control over his life and therefore every “choice” he’s made hasn’t really been a choice. Has anything in his life been real? Does anything even matter? Chuck has backed Dean into a corner and consistently taken away all of his options, leaving only dangerous and tragic ones. He’s traumatized, he’s frantic, and he’s desperate to get out of the maze. He has been pushed too far to think clearly at this moment. He’s the fox in the trap ready to bite his own leg off if it means he can get out. I don’t think it’s inconsistent writing; I think it’s entirely consistent with the kind of traumatic and apocalyptic experiences Dean is facing. And he did let one "son" die for the world before …

ElysiaFields19

I went through a wild ride of emotions as well. And now I've cried with you. The episode when Dean was face to face with Amara and he exploded and told her he was furious, was a huge red flag for me. Something was happening I couldn't quite nail down. By this episode I saw a lot of what was propelling Dean forward had to be the "story" Chuck had shared with Becky. Even as Chuck's manipulation was stomping on the buttons he knows will fuel the rage, Dean dropped the wall he's built to keep distance between himself and Jack to try to explain his reasons (badly). Dean is questioning every simple step he takes and I can only imagine the all consuming desperation he is experiencing. And of course,it is Sam who manages to talk his brother down from what must have felt like insanity. I do wish Cas would have spoken up as well especially after Dean's prayer to him in Purgatory his admission that there are times he cannot stop the anger. I felt so sorry for Jack this whole episode; I just wanted to hold him tight. And Billie? It was my turn to be furious when the Empty revealed her plans. Every new revelation kicked up my heart rate and whipped up another mix of extreme emotions. A part of me doesn't want to continue the journey to the end. But of course, I will. Stay strong, Shelley. Watching this final stretch of road is not easy no matter how many times I watch it. I can't let go - I can't move on so my only choice is to go back and watch it all again. And again.

rose mnor

@SKK lol don't worry I know what you mean ... and thank you for reading! ...

Hasnaa

I was so frustrated by last episode being a Motw so I love this episode, I loved all of Meredith Glynn's episodes so this isn't shocking but this is her last episode and what a great episode to leave us with, Sam told dean "you protected me from dad" I repeat "you protected me from dad" let that sink in, Sam needed protection from john and dean provided that, which means that dean had to take all of John's abuse onto himself to sheild Sam and it must've been very healing to hear that Sam saw and appreciated that. I didn't have dean pointing a gun at Sam on my bingo card, hated it when he did it to kaia hate it here even more. I feel so bad for Amara, to be absorbed into a chuck, there's no worse fate. It's very difficult to know whether to direct my anger on dean or on chuck coz we don't know what's dean and what's chuck, I hate that dean said jack isn't family but I don't know if that's how he truly feels or not, I know for sure that cas and Sam love jack way more than dean, that's why I refer to them as Jack's true parents but dean must care on some level, he's not heartless. The whole Adam/seraphina pairing is so on the nose, the first human and an angel falling in love defying chuck's no human/angel relationship rule, the angel's name is even more on the nose "seraphina", cas is a seraph they just added an "ina" at the end, clearly they're not a deancas parallel 😂. Also not dean turning to look directly at cas when Sam said "Eileen, she just dies again" because cas is his Eileen and if billy's plan comes to fruition what's died will go back to being dead and cas died many times so not only would Sam lose Eileen but dean would lose cas, The subtext is killing me!! Not only did chuck kick Adam from heaven he also manipulated his sons Cain and Abel no wonder why he hates him

Purple Nurple

Let the ending sink in. There's definitely a grief process to the ending of this show for everyone. It's been a big part of our life for so long. You called it about that it wasn't the plan. The thing that confirmed it for me was when adam's angel person said that it was meant to be that they were there - sounds like divine fate to me... 3 episodes to go...

BexFangirl

Such a tiny amount of episodes left. Can't believe we're at this point.

Helen Wood

Don't feel bad about being angry with Dean. You're angry for all the right reasons. He's letting both Chuck and Billie manipulate him and I know he's a mess from realising he had so little free will, but the stuff he says to and about Jack is terrible. However, we can all be proud of him for putting that gun away and listening to Sam. The next two episodes are powerful in the extreme and will be emotional, but 19 is the best Supernatural episode of all, as far as I am concerned.

Klaara

Yeah this episode was A LOT. Very intense and very emotional. I can't wait for the next episode! It's gonna be A LOT as well.

AdoptDontShopPets

Haven’t watched this yet. Just stopping in to say that giving a lead character a complete mental breakdown so close to the end of a 15-year journey was certainly a choice…and I will never forgive Dabb and Singer.

Jay

Oh my goodness this episode was so hard and it is overwhelming, your reactions are incredibly relatable. I've been feeling sick just thinking about these final episodes. I saw them when they aired and I haven't been able to rewatch them until now. Sam's speech to Dean made me think about the previous episode. I know so many of us were puzzled by it - why waste time with a monster-of-the-week/flashback at this late stage? - and maybe it wasn't completely successful but looking back, I'm thinking it was there to remind us of how much trauma Dean has gone through from such a young age, and how he did his best to protect Sam from it. The pressure of that has been building up over 15 seasons and the result is Dean's exploding anger (parallel with Jack's literal need to explode?). The one thing that might now make this all a little more bearable is that you have The Winchesters to look forward to – I loved that series and it made it easier to cope with the sadness of SPN ending. I think you might have missed the significance of why Adam hated Chuck - it was a blink and miss it moment - but he says that he and Eve figured they deserved Chuck kicking them out of the Garden, "but then he moved on to our sons". During the Mark of Cain arc, we find out that Cain killed Abel as part of a deal to avoid Abel going to hell, and it's part of the grand pattern of brothers/siblings fighting each other (Michael v Lucifer, Cain v Abel, Dean v Sam) that Chuck is compulsively replaying to justify his original crime of subduing his sister. This is the cycle that they've been trying to break.

Kristin Dorner

Oh Shelley, we all feel your pain. When this was happening in real time, trying to process the fact that this long journey is really ending…it was so hard. I mean, it’s been 3 years and it still hurts. I cried through every single one of the last 4 episodes😭 When you were talking about being mad at Dean…I felt that to my freaking soul! Like there’s only 3 more episodes and I didn’t want to end the show feeling like that about him. I hated this episode for a long time because him saying that Jack wasn’t family was SO antithetical to who Dean has become. The more I think about it the more I have to convince myself that Dean was holding on to all the negative feelings he had towards Jack ever since the Mary situation and pushing down any love he had for him in order to “do what needed to be done”. It’s such a complex situation because I totally get Dean’s anger. Since the pilot he has always been the free will, screw destiny kind of guy. And after all they’ve gone through and all they’ve sacrificed to make their own destiny, finding out that it’s all been Chuck’s plan would drive Dean a little insane. POOR JACK! MY LITTLE BABY NUGGET😭😭😭😭 He tried so hard to redeem himself, especially to Dean😭😭😭 There’s so much more to talk about, but I don’t want to get too far ahead and spoil anything for the next 3. I would suggest having tissues and comfort items nearby. After such a long time with this story, heading toward the end hurts like a bitch!

Kit

So I’m sure other people has said a lot of this already but I’ve only just managed to watch it so here’s my thoughts: 1, dean saying jacks not family: OF COURSE Jack is family to dean, we’ve heard him say it before, but Dean is so stuck on this being the only way to stop Chuck and to stop this world from ending, that he’s having to distance himself from Jack bc I don’t think he could dean with another family member dying, so he’s telling himself that Jack isn’t really family 2. To all the John apologists out there that say that we are blowing things out of proportion and John was never abusive may I direct u to Sam saying to dean “all my life, you have protected me. From dad, from lucifer…” DEAN PROTECTED SAM FROM JOHN if John wasn’t abusive why the hell would Dean have protected Sam from him??? So yes John is abusive, I also think this proves that Dean took the brunt of the abuse in order to protect Sam, which is why Dean ended up trying to be a loyal soldier to John and Sam was able to fight and argue and leave because he wasn’t as afraid of John 3. Deans breakdown this episode was very hard to watch but I’m glad it happened, because realistically after all the trauma Dean has been through— him mum dying at 4, going to hell and purgatory, all the loved ones he’s watched die— there’s no way he could stay emotionally balanced after learning that that was all a story written by one guy who put them through all that for his amusement. I actually think Dean had the most realistic reaction and Sam and cas were unrealistically cool about it (which makes Dean look worse for struggling.) 4. That ending was chucks plan and I think a lot of people who don’t like Dean get unfairly mad at him for what happens in this episode but I actually think he should be congratulated instead, because he was able to break out of chucks programming and storyline and put the gun away (thanks to Sam) much to chucks annoyance 5. I CANNOT BELIEVE that we’re already just days from THAT episode 😭😭 BRING TISSUES FOR ALLLL THE NEXT EPISODES

Michele

I really Hate how they're writing Dean this season. It's reconning his whole perspective on things. He's always been the one fighting against The Plan. We've seen this time and time again. So now they've changed all that? No way Dean would ever threaten Sam! Argh!!

Jenna96

hey shelly!! is there any way you could do a two-hour special for the last two episodes of supernatural!! I feel like they go better together than apart! Plus- then you would be able to finish on Halloween as intended!!

Susan Stork

I actually don't really like this episode. It's okay, just not a favorite of mine. I like Jack well enough, and I think he was a great addition to the show; but for me, the show was always Dean, Cas, and Sam. They were always my focus, especially Dean. I do love the last 3 episodes. I enjoy each of them. And yes, stock up on tissues.

Amye Sabin

I told you I didn't trust Billie. And yes, both Sam & Dean would also die, as she's said what she wanted was everything put back the way it wss supposed to be. it didn't bother me that Dean said Jack wasn't family. I never felt like he was their family. Well, maybe Cas's son, but that's it. Jack has never been a favorite of mine, though Alex does a good job. Jared does a phenomenal job in the appeal scene. And what TPTB did to weaken Amara? BS Not that I wanted her to win, but what happened to the badass entity we loved/hated? Though I agree I loved her trying to appeal to Chuck over & over. No, I don't think the spark comes from Amara and I don't think the show is saying that either. Not sure where you saw that. No one wanted the show to be over,, Shelley. But brace yourself for a wild three episodes, and stock up on the tissues. Ep 19 is the end of the season. Ep 20 is the end of the series.

Amye Sabin

"because cas is his Eileen and if billy's plan comes to fruition what's died will go back to being dead and cas died many times so not only would Sam lose Eileen but dean would lose cas, " But Sam & Dean would die as well. 1) Billie said everything would go back to the way it should've been; 2) She's always wanted the Winchesters dead.

Amye Sabin

I thought 18 was the best of the season, 20 pretty good, but I don't care for 19. 1) Because of a certain character; 2) the way they get to the resolution.

Amye Sabin

He was like the with the Ma'lak box though, so there is presedence.

Michele

It started a bit in season 12, then ramped up in season 13. By season 15, Dean seemed totally different in some aspects.

CrystalDeth

I like that a lot of people are so frustrated with Dean and what he's doing to Jack that they don't notice that Sam's plan is not any better or lack thereof. But hey that shaman wanted the macgruffin key to Death's library and The Empty is dumb so at least Sam got a book and an exploding Jack! Go TFW! Sorry, I really loathed the writing this season so it is painful on rewatch how they destroyed the characters I adored for years.