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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 3x11 "Bouncing Back" Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2023-11-03 06:15:50
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Kelly Parks

"Fox News won't shut up." -- Wow, way to alienate half your audience.

Kelly Parks

"I don't know how your agency still exists" -- Good question. Where exactly does their funding come from? I assume Nick Fury made some excellent off book investments that pay a healthy dividend.

Lyla

This is a good episode! Reminds me a bit of the season 2 episode “Aftershocks” after that season’s mid season finale - they’re really good at dealing with the aftermath in this show, and as you said, settling us back into the relative ‘normality’ of things after some big events, such as going to Maveth, whilst still keeping the show moving forward and interesting to follow. Love the introduction of Elena here - it’s a great one. I love her story. And it’s nice / interesting for this show to portray the police as a corrupt institution, at least in this instance, as it’s often so government/police focused and centred, and so can tend to be pretty uncritical of institutions and organisations in general. The use of the mind machine (I don’t remember it’s exact name!) on VonStrucker here however leaves me feeling uncomfortable, and is definitely an example of the show having a very complicated array of morals and ideologies. When the machine was introduced, it was being used by Hydra, and seemed to nearly kill Coulson, or at least cause him great both physical and mental harm, as he confirms in this episode. The use of the machine then seemed to be shown as unequivocally wrong and part of why Hydra and those associated, are so misguided and wrong. But then the Shield team use it here, when it suits their needs. And it’s even worse too. Because VonStrucker is extremely injured and unstable, so it’s at an even greater risk to him and his health. And of course they also have absolutely no consent to be doing this. I can’t help but find this particular action pretty reprehensible, especially due to casual way they agree to, and then carry out, the operation. *Obviously* we’re not meant to agree with them and their actions all the time - humans are complex, and so are organisations, and this show is aware of that. But while it’s briefly acknowledged that this may be somewhat immoral, it often seems to me that the show presents the message of sometimes doing terrible things is an absolute *necessity* when fighting a greater evil, or even that it’s not bad when shield does it, because they have good intentions.. This is of course part of what makes Aos such a fascinating and multilayered show - it has a real mixture of philosophies, messages and moralities woven in there for you to question and discuss, and the nature of what the Shield agents do, for survival, or for the greater good, is a real through-line of the show, from both an audience and writer’s perspective I think. Anyway great reaction, look forward to the next one :)

Laurel

Totally agree with all of this! Re: the brain machine, even though he ended up giving in, I’m glad they gave us Lincoln’s perspective. As a medical doctor he’d have sworn to the oath of doing no harm, yet here he was being told to ignore and sign off on a (vegetative!) patient being effectively tortured for information. Plus the part that finally got him to concede was the idea that by the targeted electroshock thing, he’d be helping rather than continuing to hurt. I liked that Lincoln was shown to have a huge problem with it. Coulson’s acknowledgement of it being fucked up was good, too. At the very least, it indicated clearly that the writers were aware of what that plot point meant. Albeit, of course, the ramifications were quickly deemed acceptable lol. But, as you said, it also shows that the team has flaws — some big ones — and sometimes engage in things under the thought that the ends justify the means.

Laurel

Elena is such a fun character! One of the things I like best about the inclusion of her powers are their limitations. Oftentimes people with superspeed have very little in the way of that, but here, they gave the stipulations that she bounces back to the same spot and can only go a certain distance. It makes for some mandatory creativeness on the writers’ part going forward and strategic creativeness for Elena. Similar concept as with Daisy, actually, who is very strong but can’t use her powers indiscriminately because she risks shattering her bones. It’s also an inclusion of another character of color on the show, which is great, not to mention casting an actress who’s a native Spanish speaker rather than someone who’s just reading lines. This show has good diversity overall, even in just the main cast.

BJ Stephens

Eh, it's a show coming out of Hollywood, I've come to expect those kinds of jabs, and I don't even watch the news lol.

Laurel

Good. Those kinds of people deserve to have shade thrown at them.

Kelly Parks

What people? Anyone from outside your bubble?

Laurel

Followers of Fox News are invariably followers of people like Donald Trump and his ilk — bigoted and hateful. Those people don’t deserve to be pandered to or given any grace.

Lyla

Great points Laurel! You’re absolutely right, Lincoln’s and Coulson’s reactions definitely showed the writers had some awareness of the gravity of this action, especially as you say, when we saw Lincoln’s medical perspective (of which I actually forgot about) and that was nice, and definitely made it more interesting and conflicted. And yes! The ‘end justifies the means’ couldn’t sum up the situation, and Shield’s frequent perspective, better really, especially if you’re looking ahead..I’m definitely very intrigued to hear Shelley’s and everyone’s thoughts when we get to those points!

Kelly Parks

Huh. They say the same thing about you.

Laurel

Wild that you're a subscriber of Shelley when you identify with the racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-LGBT, anti-women's rights folk that watch Fox News (Republicans in general, really). That's everything she — and anyone who has a shred of decency — is against. Not to mention, if you think that tiny throwaway statement about Fox News in this episode was "alienating half your audience," you must have either blocked out or never watched all of seasons 4 and 7, and several parts of 5 and 6. This show has never been pro-Trumpers and it certainly never becomes so.

Kelly Parks

Ah, a teachable moment, Laurel. Let me expand your universe. None of your nonsensical bumper stickers apply to me because there are more political points of view than you know. I am neither of the two you seem to be aware of -- I am, in fact, a happy centrist, free to choose a little from column A and a little from column B, as the mood strikes me. That's why I said "They" say the same thing about you. Don't choose a side. It's very limiting. Also, I can love AoS and criticize its failings all at the same time. I love the show and the characters very much and have watched the show all the way through multiple times. Political nonsense will never stop me.

Laurel

No, there is no "a little of both" when one of the sides is actively trying to eliminate the rights of marginalized communities, enacting legislation to do so, and spreading dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories. Fox News and the people who follow it/its ideals are oppressors, and I have neither sympathy nor patience for people who try to defend it.

Kelly Parks

Ha! This is where the very freedom I'm talking about comes into play, because the "other side" literally has a similar list of awful things to say about you. I know you think you're on the side of right and true and good here, but so do they. My position as an outsider makes it easy to see how deluded you both are. Honestly you are both totalitarians who want to silence your political opponents.

Laurel

Believing that people of color, women, those who are LGBT, etc. do not deserve rights is not "true and good," and it's extremely concerning that you think that way. For all your elitist attitude, you are no different than right-wing nutjobs. I'm done trying to converse with someone who has no interest in being anything other than bigoted.

Kelly Parks

Ah, Laurel. You still can't see anyone who isn't in your bubble as anything besides "The Other", even though I've told you multiple times that I am not. None of your accusations apply to me, but I get why you need them to. I mean, if they don't then your whole world view comes crumbling down. It's okay. This denial will pass and your eyes will open to a wider world.

Laurel

I will never be on the side of the oppressor. I will always champion the rights of those who are marginalized. And I will never be like you, who thinks the people who actively seek to oppress are in the right.

Kelly Parks

I'm not sure if you can still hear me way up on your high horse, but the people *you* seek to marginalize and actively seek to oppress are just as righteous as you. And just as certain that they are on the side of good. It's almost as if the two party system was designed to keep each "side" at the other's throat. Weird, right?

BJ Stephens

Ahh Laurel, I see you're on of the indoctrinated people who don't actually do research or think for yourself, you just believe everything you're told by the msm, and those in your groupthink tribe. I do sincerely hope someday you'll wake up and see the world as it really is, and not through the blinders you've accepted.