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Supernatural - "Season 15 Wrap Up" Review (Patreon)

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2023-11-08 07:48:55
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rose mnor

Great wrap-up review, Shelley ... Wow, the top five episodes of your S15 ranking are dominated by both Bobo Berens and Meredith Glynn, Shelley. Bobo wrote 3 of the 5: The Rupture, The Trap, and Despair. Galaxy Brain was originally his story as a continuation and closure of Kaia's story, which became a collaboration between Meredith Glynn and him, and Unity was by Glynn. Bobo firing all cylinders, like Steve Yockey last season. I'm glad Bobo got to shine in the final season as he dropped Doom Patrol to come back to Supernatural, as an EP too. Dean's emotional and character arcs were complicated this season, and I've said it before if only we had gotten Steve Yockey. I'm gonna copy some of my old comments about Yockey into this post here as it will be repetitive with the same talking points: This season, in my opinion, seriously suffered in terms of losing Steve Yockey's touch, who's really a great master in subverting the plot of an episode, in a slot meant for a plot-heavy one. Yockey, who gave us Advanced Thanatology, Nihilism, and Ourosboros, [all good Dean's exploration-of-his-psyche arc episodes by the way] to name a few. In S15, those replacement rotation writers for Yockey's remaining slots were Andrew Dabb who came up with Heroes Journey, and this episode [Last Holiday], by Jeremy Adams (from what I can surmise of the slot rotation from S14, not from any official record). We saw how Dabb's became such a misinterpreted colossal of an episode, and this one became a "filler" with a plot-heavy character focussed - mainly on Dean and Jack [unfortunately Jeremy Adams is not at the level of Steve Yockey at all]. Just imagine if we had gotten more of Yockey's styled episodes (esp his 'looking into Dean's psyche' ones) - Dean's conflicting feelings regarding Jack exposed and played out for us to actually see and not only hear them via exposition style - such a loss to the show in general and to S15 in particular. ... and if we had gotten Yockey, we might have had more nuanced episodes touching upon those themes ... via both ep 10 and 14 broad strokes of dealing with monsters with their families, then subverting it on its head by coming back to the main players, AdvTh+Nihilism+Ourosboros style *sigh - wishing upon what could have been*

Kim Rigg

For all the shows highs and lows this will always be my favourite show with some of all time favourite characters. It has been so much fun being on this journey with you and I am so sad this chapter is over. So glad to see season 2 getting some love it is definitely the most underrated season in my view. Season 15 is last in my season rankings...purely because in the other weaker season (which are still not bad) there is still some fantastic episodes and the execution is better in my view. I think a lot of time was wasted in this season on some meh MOW episodes, time that could have been utilised to tighten the story arc up and loose ends and in all honesty I did not love any episode. I think I am one of the few people that is not overly bothered by the show coming back. Don't get me wrong if it does I will watch it but I am more interested is seeing new characters and shows from the actors. If it does come back I will certainly watch it away from the wider fandom because I cannot be bothered with the drama. As with any show that goes on for so long different people and groups will want different things from it and the level discourse fills me with anxiety just thinking about it. In all honestly considering the drama (hate) these guys faced and face particularly at the end of the show I am surprised they want it to continue which is a testament to: a) their love for the show/characters and b) their ability to tune out and ignore the loud minority in the fandom. Looking forward to The Winchesters and more con reactions and I look forward to see what the next chapter brings.

Kim Rigg

You raise such good points about the writing team. I am always so critical about the writing in the last three seasons but they had some fantastic writers.... if only the leadership in the writing room was stronger.

Amye Sabin

I didn't realize Yockey left aft S14. Thate makes more sense why this season was not only weaker, but also all over the map in terms of conflict, MoTW, stakes raising, and esp character development.

Amye Sabin

IMO there was no need for a spoken forgiveness. If you say something with the EXPECTATION of someone saying they forgive you, then does your apology really ring true? Jack knows that Dean cares for him (love is a too strong term IMO for how he feels about Jack) and he knows that Dean was angry with him for his actions and the way he blamed Mary for her death. The 'thank you' and the "I'm trying to forgive you" earlier was enough for Jack to understand how Dean felt. I still don't Jack true family, tho. But that's because I could never get on the "oh Jack is so sweet and adorable and I just love him", sickly Mary Sue train. He was a cool addition and brought some needed freshness into the series, but eh... too much Dabb influence on the character. I didn't like the Amara plotline, but for other reasons. I hated the weakness that Amara showed all season. Where was the badass entity we loved/hated in S11? She was a wimp and I had no problem Chuck absorbed her. Dean didn't have any time to articulate and process what Css told him in 'Despair' before the Empty came. So his lack of response didn't bother me. And really, who wasn't in love with Dean, other than Billie. Even OG Death I think found Dean fun and interesting. It didn't bother me that Cas wasn't in the Finale. I think also Misha was having, or had just had, his hip replacement surgeries around August of 2020. So he wouldn't have been able to come due to health issues anyway. To me, Jack put everyone back on their planet. Which means Alt-Bobby & Alt-Charlie went back to their world. I was just upset Mark S & Dabb couldn't get over their issues and have Crowley come back. We didn't need Kevin and I hated his fanservice appearance and fate. Hopefully Jack put him in Heaven. I heard some big news coming from Rob outta the DC Con & his 'SPN T&N' Discord, but it hasn't been confirmed on SM, so I won't pass on the info until that's confirmed. But the news makes sense when you hear the Australian Con has been moved back. Ranking the seasons fluctuates for me, other than 5 being my top and 12, 15, 7 being my least favorite. But the middle is always fluid. Uusally 2, 4, 9. 10, 11, 14 tend to be my top, but sometimes 3 will sneak in there. I do think 6 is better on re-watch and 8 tends to slip a bit due to the Amelia storyline.

Purple Nurple

Season 8 has always been bottom tier for me (sorry Shelley!) but it's more to do with the beginning half of the season being quite weak, it had some amazing episodes in, but to me Season 8 doesn't stick in my memory and I have to really think about what happened in it lol. But to me no season of Supernatural is bad, it's just some are better than others! Season 4 and 5 are still top for me I need to go watch what Rob said at DC - was it in his own panel or somewhere else?

Amye Sabin

It was in the private meet & greet and others confirmed he mentioned it on the Discord group. I'm not part of the Discord group. But TPTB did move the Australian con to a couple months later, supposedly for this reason. I can't figure out how to message, but it has nothing to do with any roles (as they obviously can't talk about those)

BexFangirl

I can relatively easily decide on my top 3 of the season, but then it's getting harder in a similar way to what you described. My personal episode ranking is 1. 15x18 (also mainly carried by the last ca. 10 min) 2. 15x09 3. 15x03 the for 4. probably 15x08 and fifth idk a lot of equals in how much I enjoy them. My personal season ranking has some unpopular opinions I believe since it's highly led by my feelings about how much I enjoyed the season at the end of watching it and some other stuff. To not put all the disclaimers with it, I'm not gonna put mine here too XD But I really should do a tier list for that as well. My fave season (after one whole watch) is 8 though. I know I repeat myself, but can't wait for the rewatch, the fan content and of course the winchesters.

Sare

Amye Sabin

I love MoC Dean, so to me S10 is pretty good. But I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't put S3 down as bad. Other than two episodes (the nursery story one and the Ghostfacer one), I find it immensly enjoyable.

MidnightSilver

Shelley, it’s been really amazing to follow you along the Supernatural journey! Love that you really fell in love with this show. It’s been an absolute joy to get to share that experience all over again, the highs and the lows and everything in between. These have been fabulous reactions! Thank you so very much! 🤗💛

Jessica LG

Can't wait for the rewatch!

Hasnaa

On the surface this show is about two brothers fighting monsters and fighting for free will, deep down it's a show about how many characters can fall in love with dean Winchester lol