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Hey. This is an unusual Monday offering but given the circumstances, we hope you understand that it’s the only thing that feels right for us.

On February 11th, our friends and colleagues Steven Godfrey, Tyson Whiting, and Kofie Yeboah were laid off from their jobs at Secret Base.

This is far from the first time we’ve watched the company dismiss our talented and beloved coworkers, but this latest round hits particularly hard, and it’s clear from the response we’ve seen here and elsewhere online that you guys, the Secret Base audience, are just as distressed as we are.

Working for Vox Media means a lot of things. Most importantly, it means that we – Alex, Charlotte, Clara, Jiazhen, Joe, Jon, Phil, Ryan, Seth and Will – can work together at the same team and help each other build the stuff we really, passionately believe in. Stuff you’ve told us you want to see from us.

Working within a major media company allows us to do this for reasons both personal (steady income, benefits, the ability to take vacation days) and professional (music and image licenses, the backing of a legal team, sales staff who get our project sponsored, hardware and equipment, the list goes on). Secret Base was made feasible in the first place because of this arrangement.

We, and you, are now experiencing what else that means. Being part of a major media company, we’re also subject to financial pressures and business whims outside of our control. We’ve lost three exceptionally, uniquely talented people who can’t be replaced, and who we all loved working with, day in and day out, year in and year out. No personnel decision can change the fact that they played major parts in building Secret Base, and they will always be a part of it.

Losing them is painful because of how much we’ll miss them and the work they do. It might be a little less painful if we didn’t believe in this thing as much as we do. Ever since we began planning Secret Base five years ago, our goal has been to build something different from anything else you’ve ever seen in sports media. We had no rivals or aspirational peers to measure ourselves against or try to be better than. We simply wanted to make something completely new and unique for you, the audience.

And then, you actually showed up for it. For that, we’ll always be endlessly thankful. It’s a tremendous honor and privilege to produce things that you’re actually willing to pay us money for. While that money does not deposit directly into our personal accounts, it does wonders for our ability to do this for years to come, and is a major component of the mission: to keep on pushing the envelope creatively to deliver you things you love, and things you won’t find anywhere else.

So if you’re wondering whether your subscription money helps us: absolutely, and significantly. But while we acknowledge that some of you may subscribe for the purpose of supporting us, and are quite grateful for that, we intentionally avoided selling you a Patreon subscription in that way. One immutable, unbreakable rule we established at the beginning was that we would avoid such language in favor of doing whatever we needed to do to give you your money’s worth. Of course, your decision to subscribe or not subscribe is your own, and we fully respect any reason you might have in either direction. We appreciate you enormously, no matter what.

But our promise to you remains the same: if you subscribe to us, whether for a month or a year or longer, we will continue to come through for you and give you something you otherwise never would have gotten. If you’ve enjoyed the ride so far, we can guarantee that there’s lots, lots more ahead.

Love y’all,

Will, Jon, Seth and Ryan on behalf of Secret Base

Comments

mike

I'm not sure what to do.....just devastated, still 💔

Sam Schwartzstein

I appreciate the transparency and I hope for nothing but the best. I understand sometimes things are out of your control, but I appreciate the compassion in this moment regardless

darragh O

Doing Kofie like that was especially rough!

G_Rez

I'm happy you guys are still around and thriving, but I'm very sad to see the loss of team members that I know did incredible work here and for the YouTube channel. They're going to be dearly missed going forward

Alex Johnson

Your candor in addressing this is very appreciated. I’ve watched Kofie’s solo channel for a while now, so I’ll continue to do that and be on the lookout for more content from Godfrey and Tyson as well. Wishing you all the best moving forward (and can’t wait for the next episode of Fool Time)

amdsports

Well put statement but Kofie’s contributions to Fumble Dimension and M.V.P. should’ve been appreciated more

Jack Callahan

Kofie was and is Secret Base. Thanks for sending this out so I remember to unsub! Vox can go to hell. I love SB with all my heart and it’s exactly what sports media should be, but I’m not giving my money to this parent company just for them to fire the people I care about the most

Jacob Garza

I’m so sorry for what yall are dealing with. However, how can you guarantee anything at all given that you couldn’t guarantee the continued employment of 3 beloved contributors? Vox media sucks.

Kai Lafleur

The transparency is appreciated. I feel that a lot of us just wish that you didnt have the necessary evil of a parent company who doesnt know the first thing about what makes secret base tick. We wish you could operate independently and didnt have to put content behind a paywall, as unrealistic as it is. Im sure it's not your first or second or third wish either. Much love to all of you involved, youre doing the best you can

Annie

Y'all need a union.

Dave Provost

Thanks for posting this, and I'm so sorry for the folks that lost their jobs and for the folks that lost colleagues. It's a weird situation, right? I don't support a lot of Patreons, but for the ones that I do, it generally feels like a relationship between the creators and the supporters, but in this case there is a Vox-shaped elephant in the room (a near-sighted, unimaginative elephant obsessed with gathering as many peanuts as possible to the extent of all other things, but I digress...) I TOTALLY understand why this relationship makes sense, and I have no qualms about continuing my Patreon subscription and I know y'all will continue to make amazing things for as long as you can. The one previous subscription I had that was in a similar arrangement was supporting Waypoint (the Austin Walker led version) while it was at Vice. In that case, the whole team ended up getting laid off and a portion of the team was able to create a wholly fan-supported spin off (Remap - check it out). Obviously, I hope that does not happen for y'all, but I suspect that Secret Base COULD thrive as a separate organization in the vein of Defector, 404 Media, Aftermath, and Remap. Anyway, all the best to everyone at Secret Base, past and present. Thanks for everything. Fumble Dimension forever.

Nickel

Maybe I'm an idiot and should have known but I also subbed completely unaware that there was a parent company (still) involved. It's not really mentioned anywhere on this page? Idk. Also "we acknowledge that some of you may subscribe for the purpose of supporting us, and are quite grateful for that, we intentionally avoided selling you a Patreon subscription in that way. " So if we're NOT meant to be subbing to support y'all, then... What am I subbing for? I am ENTIRELY subbing to support the content I love. Really disappointing decision from vox, I appreciate the seeing the support though.

John Smith

I will miss fumble dimension and college football retrospectives, but may Secret Base live long

Trevor Glisson

The honesty and complete transparency is why I subscribed and will stay subscribed. It sucks that profit from the owner outweighs potential creativity and authenticity generated from your small team. Keep the faith and I will too.

Colin

Reminder for everyone to go sub to Kofies youtube channel

ARTexplains (Xander Toftness)

I appreciate the statement. I'm not sure how I feel, but I'm glad y'all are being transparent about it. I'm planning on sticking around the Patreon, at least for now. But what a kick in the throat it's been.

Forrest P

Sadly right now is probably the worst time to start a union. Companies like Whole Foods already said that the NLRB is so weak right now they are outright violating union laws. I don't disagree though! I just wouldn't be surprised if Jon is knowledgeable enough for this to weigh on him.

Blizzard Wuffy

This just feels like turning the knife. You know what needs to be done to make this right.

Dylan Harkins

I understand the financial pressures/incentives that lead to decisions like these taking place, but still a tough loss to endure and hope Kofie, Steven and Tyson bounce back strong / are still supported by the team in one way or another moving forward!

John Pankakoski

Still waiting for my name to be on a wing of the Secret Base building. Kidding. Wishing you all the best and I will always support you, in one way or another.

Dave Provost

I know Kofie posted on Bluesky that he was grateful for Vox Media Union, because it meant that he had severance and other benefits as part of the layoff.

Pietro Gagliardi

Sadly American unions have a long way to go to make layoffs illegal :/

Thomas

I hope there are discussions of alternative strategies. I know if there were, you would wisely give no indication here at this time to the public.

Stilyan_Uzunov

Love you guys, Secret Base has been a crucial part of my life for a while now, wish you all the best for the future ❤️

Pietro Gagliardi

They had a union. American unions are so far behind the curve that they're easy to ignore and are facing an uphill battle now...

Andrew T

Like they said, you're supporting the *content*, but not the *people*. The people are employees being paid a salary either way, but the Patreon support makes it worth paying those salaries to create Secret Base content instead of something else. That's how I understand it.

Casey Lin

i just wish i could give you guys my money directly...

Andrew T

Having a union doesn't make you immune to layoffs, even a really good union. It just makes sure you're well taken care of in the event of a layoff, and helps make sure that the layoff happens under reasonable circumstances.

Craig Royer

If my sub couldn’t stop the first layoff, it won’t stop the next. Best wishes and love for you all. 🫡

Kevoguy

I love you guys, but I honestly feel duped. I assumed Patreon was supporting the artists directly. I didn't know it was going straight to Vox, who based on this latest round of firings, clearly only cares about the bottom line and not the actual content and heart of Secret Base. I'll gladly resubscribe to the Patreon if you break off from Vox or if they at least refuse to touch even a single penny of Patreon funds. Until then, I'm out, sorry.

Nickel

Hey, thanks for this! I genuinely figured I had forgotten how to read, haha. I think where I struggle I suppose is that I wouldn't watch the secret base content if it was made by someone else. The fact as well that this patreon has over 9000 paid subscribers as well, in part because of the hard work of the three guys who have just been laid off, but offered no security to them at all... idk. It all feels bad. Thank you for replying though, that helps clarify that bit for me a bit.

BunSum

Echoing folks who already posted - if there's a way that we can pay y'all, the creators, directly, please let us know.

Randal Crumpen

Appreciate your candor. SB has produced so much incredible content that has brought me so much joy that it was a no-brainer to give back through a Patreon sub once I was given the chance. I can't lie and pretend it wasn't a disappointment to find out that Vox calls the shots but also, that was entirely down to me not taking 10 seconds to Google some shit before signing up. I'm torn because my instinct is to unsub to send some kind of a message to Vox but realistically, the only people that would hurt is more of the creators that I intended to support by subbing in the first place. For now, I want to continue that support as I feel like the amount of free hours of entertainment SB has provided me with is incalculable and even if some undeserving suit is taking a cut from that monthly fee, I'm happy knowing it goes some way towards making the lives of the remaining creators more secure and fulfilling.

coridactyl

Thanks for clarifying your relationship with Vox, both in this post and in Jon’s comments in Jon Bois subreddit. I feel this apology is insufficient. It was not enough to merely avoid language like “support us.” Patreon as a service is not just a payment processor and subscription platform, and you know this. The brand perception is that it’s for direct contributions to independent creators. The “spin off” brand of Secret Base provided an obfuscation layer to this, concealing the business arrangement and misleading fans. That is why people are shocked and conflicted about continued support. You failed to disclose this, in every post and video. You could have been vigilant and honest: “your money does go to Vox, but it comes back around to us with legal support yadda yadda yadda.” It would have been so easy and straightforward to do this. But you didn’t, and here we are. What I ask going forward is that you are abundantly clear in every post and video that Secret Base is a premium tier for a Vox product, and it helps keep you going but if you want to tip the creators directly, they should go elsewhere. You should also disclose the cut that Vox makes of the profits. If I don’t see that language shift in future videos and posts, I will cancel my subscription. As Jon said on Reddit, this is not our job. It is not your audience’s job to sleuth out where their money goes. It’s your job to tell them. Please do so. Love the work. Hope you can keep doing it.

Zachery Egan

I feel betrayed. I thought my money from this subscription was going directly to the creators I like, not another way to funnel money to Vox or some other soulless corporation. You should be ashamed.

J. Buck

Really appreciate the note and clarifications. It's a tough situation. I love you guys and have enjoyed your content free for so many years it really is embarrassing the little bit of money I have given you for all the hours and hours of enjoyable content I have received. I still go back and rewatch the really long form projects like "The People You're Paying to Be in Shorts" and Mariners history etc. I technically should give you money for the next five years if I'm paying for my enjoyment. But continuing to sub feels like I'm telling Vox, what they did was okay. Yes, not giving you my five bucks a month is akin to flipping off the sun, on a hot day but it feels like the one thing I can do to say, this is not okay but of course it's also hurting you all, whom I still love and support. I think the only logical thing is to continue to sub to you guys as well as Kofie separately but not support anything else Vox media does. No right answers here honestly.

Jonathan Bottorff

I understand that my $10/month is obviously not going to guarantee anything, given the necessary costs to make this quality content. So this sucks, but I understand. I appreciate the breakdown, wish you all the best, and look forward to what comes next 👍

BunSum

Suggestion for the next Pretty Good - Team up with Dan Toomey and show examples of how creators have extracted themselves from corporations (Vox) owned by private equity firms. Make that the advertisement for your Mad Men-esque Sterling Cooper Draper Price move away from the company and into your own artist-owned cooperative

Adam Foote

I completely understand the people who are leaving and I want to be clear that this is only my thoughts and worries. I worry that pulling too much funding from here would be just what Vox needs to justify axing the whole Secret Base project. It feels like they're not the biggest fans of this kind of work. If patreon subs cancel, then all Vox sees is SB-related revenues going down and that's enough to call it quits sometimes. I have and do work for companies who love to throw good money after bad so I know it's not about what's good, rather it's about justifying what the people at the top wanted to do anyway. Anyway, my final thought is that maybe Secret Base could figure out a way to get a deal together with a company who values this kind of sports and entertainment media more than Vox. That seems like a long shot but it might be something to explore.

Jean Poincelet

I'm sticking around. Vox media ABSOLUTELY SUCKS but SB is worth it. I think a lot of people here are conveniently forgetting all the money they give to big corporations on a daily basis. Don't complain about the money going to Vox media when you know damn well you're typing on keyboard you bought from Amazon. Of course I would rather support the SB creators directly, but they've made it clear the patreon money is very helpful to them, and if it means more SB videos in the future, I'm in.

Jessica Baggs

This is honestly the biggest reason I'm not annoyed at the bit of obfuscation that was originally done. That security is very valuable and not something most patreon creators have.

Timothy Richardson

Clearly this business arrangement with Vox has some benefits because Secret Base has been able to put out a ton more content recently for us the fans. When your coworkers lose their jobs I know that must sting, and if you choose to operate differently in the future, more power to you. I'm planning to stay along on the ride with you, some of the best storytellers/historians around.

Hurt Reynolds

I was surprised and disappointed like you, I'd rather see this money 100% earmarked. But I have huge respect for how this post lays it out, and it makes me confident that my sub is a critically important signal to Vox not to axe the whole project. They laid out all the benefits and protections they gain from the arrangement, and as someone just now spinning up a business, wow do I wish I had all that. So, yeah, I get your frustration, but I feel like shaming them is pretty harsh, especially given the circumstances. They're just trying to navigate the shitty money game however possible, so they can keep giving us the things we love.

Zachery Egan

This “clarity” is both far too late and beside the point. Patreon money should go directly to the content creators, as far as I am concerned this has been fraud.

Lexa

These layoffs look especially bad in the wake of the Kadarius Toney video, which looks like a vanity project by one person with an end result that should have been foreseen, that Toney would turn out to be an "Andy Reid player" just like Hunt, Hill, and the dozens Reid seems to seek out to employ.

Maple Bloom

patreon as a service is one that is built on the idea of supporting independent creators - if i'm not actually supporting you with that money, then what am i doing? jon said in his reddit reply that the money "helps our job security" but clearly it doesn't, and i'm now worried about the future of secret base because to companies like this, no revenue stream ever seems to be enough. we've seen this with countless layoffs at vox media over the years. i know it's probably going to be more difficult running secret base without a company like vox supporting it from the backend, but i guess the question to ask is: are these benefits really worth losing your trusted colleagues over?

BunSum

Fair point - it would be super risky. I guess it would be figuring out the math of when it's safer to go then stay

Fox Doucette

This is the only project I support, and have ever supported, on Patreon with a corporate parent (I also support Adam "Architect of Games" Millard and Game Maker's Toolkit and intend to add a couple more independent creators this year after some personal success in my professional life over the past few months, but that's a story for another day.) It's a different sort of support, and it has everything to do with the high-quality paywalled content that Secret Base has offered (one might say it's Pretty Good content.) The value proposition is still there, but I do wish that Secret Base could go the full Defector/Second Wind route. I understand that's a lot harder to do with sports (rights issues cost a lot more, just for starters, compared to indie game developers who are happy to trade free advertising for "sure, use our game footage"), but fire-your-boss has had a bit of a moment over the past few years and I wish that trend could gain even more steam here. Oh well, just my two cents (or ten bucks) worth of thoughts.

mike

After a lot of thought I have a very difficult time justifying giving any more of my money to an organization that I love and thought they were seeing all the proceeds from, only to be double punched in the face with 1) a soulless media company has been skimming money off the top this entire time 2) one of my fav staff on the channel was laid off because aforementioned media company didnt have enough quarterly growth to satisfy their investors. Fuck this, Im out.

MOSTLY LOCAL

If it's helpful, I live in a major music city and have tons of connections here. I could clear about 1,000 years' worth of incredible music very reasonably if they ever decided to go the independent route. I know that's just one small piece of a stupidly complicated puzzle, but I'd do it in a heartbeat for SB.

Zyill

I don't see what "help" we're providing when I'm giving my money to Secret Base specifically to ensure the independent content creators I liked would be able to make the things they wanted to make without fearing for their job security, and now those creators are losing their jobs anyway. The only "help" that I can give by giving Patreon money is to make sure that my favourite content creators don't lose their jobs, and that's not happening, so evidently, my money isn't helping.

Zyill

I have absolutely no negative feelings towards Secret Base in the slightest, I love you all and a lot of the content you make. You can't be blamed for the layoffs and, while you maybe could've done a better job being clear about where Patreon money was going, "funds given to a subsidiary go to parent company first" isn't exactly the plot twist of the century I suppose, and this Patreon was explicitly advertised as payment for content rather than supporting the people behind it. I subscribed to this Patreon mostly because the kinds of content I most wanted to watch on Secret Base weren't making much money through other means of funding (e.g. sponsorships), and I wanted to support my favourite content creators so that they could make the kinds of content they wanted to make without needing to alter it for the purposes of appealing to sponsors, YouTube ad revenue, or the whims of Vox's bad decision making. This was a central appeal that the Patreon was advertised with: "Subscribe, and we'll be able to make shows like Pretty Good, which we can't otherwise because other funding methods won't cover it." I felt happy giving my money to Secret Base because I thought it meant my favourite content creators could be sure they can make the things they want to make without losing their jobs or having their company shaken up to meet stupid demands. The layoffs are concrete evidence that this is not the case. My favourite content creators are not being given the opportunity to make what they want to make, because they are getting suddenly fired on a whim. I'm not leaving because I'm mad at Secret Base or in some vague protest of Vox, but because I don't see how my money is contributing to the thing I want my money to go to. I don't see why paying Vox is helpful for ensuring you guys get to make the kinds of content you want if... it's not, and could just get fired anyway. I hope this reasoning makes sense. I wish there was some way to give money directly to y'all at Secret Base. I'm writing this (way too long) comment even though it doesn't really matter because, I dunno... it feels wrong to leave without explaining why even if no one's listening because then, that number on a line going down could easily be for any reason, like being mad at Secret Base for something they didn't do or had no control over, or because I don't like the content, which isn't true. I still love a lot of your content, and I'm really excited for Fool Time Episode 3, whenever it comes out on YouTube. And maybe I'll change my mind and rejoin at some point idk.

Ben

If only we could be as clairvoyant as you 🙄

Swaggy

I’m in the same group. I want to support Secret Base. I’m not paying Vox. This is the first I’m hearing it’s the latter.

Stefanie

I was under the impression that this was going directly to help all of you. Knowing that it's not, and that Vox is getting literally any cut of this, justifies my decision to remove my support. If you decide to go independent, I will return, but if my financial support was not enough to satisfy Vox and it resulted in three jobs being lost, then it will not be enough for the next ones that Vox decides to cut, and the next ones, and the next ones, and so on. I love you guys. I want to support you. But now I know I cannot do it via this avenue, and frankly, that sucks.

Blizzard Wuffy

No, it's not my responsibility to educate you about obvious shit.

Benjamin Spears

I'm not thrilled knowing that Jeff Bezos gets paid when I buy a blender off Amazon, and I'm not thrilled that Vox is getting paid off Patreon subscriptions. However In both cases, if the product is good and at a good price, I'll buy it. So I won't be going anywhere, but I'm less of a fan and more strictly a consumer now.

Lexa

It was foreseeable considering the sheer number of those guys that play for Andy Reid. Even without that, letting the KC fan set money on fire with a vanity two parter was always a bad idea.

Quesly

Kofie was a big big reason why I was down to pay the $5 for the extra content. I know it was probably just a stupid move by some dickhead corporate HR drone that made the cut but that person is the Nico Harrison of dickhead corporate HR drones. its just a stupid move by a stupid company. So I am just going to watch the free normal youtube content once the month is over

Voidgender

Wait wait wait, I'm giving VOX MEDIA my money? Screw that noise. This sucks.

Jeff Good

If you're looking into going indie maybe reach out to Nebula? They don't really have sports content yet and SB would def fit in there. I also find it distasteful when big companies use crowdfunding sites meant for indie creators so I'm gonna mull my continued support. Maybe folks leaving will show how much the folks they let go were really worth?

MarinaKaplanFan99

Buddy all we ever asked for is not to be duped you don't have to act like we're dumb somehow.

Pietro Gagliardi

I was under no illusion that the money wasn't going to Vox (in fact I imagine you had to fight very hard to be allowed to set this up in the first place, and there have always been corporations on Patreon). The thing that hurts is knowing that this wasn't nearly enough to secure Secret Base's future, especially after Ryan Nanni's layoff back in 2023. I'm still going to support you here as someone else who was the victim of an arbitrary layoff who actually does enjoy all of you, but this definitely does hurt, and all I can offer here in this comment is what I learned from my experiences: anything can happen now (hell this was true in 2023 but it's extra true now) and don't fall into the trap of things going "back to normal", don't expect to be seen by upper management as irreplaceable no matter how hard you work or how popular you are, and (especially if they're doing bad things to your physical space in particular) never forget what they took from you.

Ricardo

"helps" doesn't mean "guarantees" job security unfortunately, but it also doesn't mean it doesn't help

SeeJ

I subscribed so this stuff wouldn’t happen, I’m unsubscribing because it did.

John Pazniokas

I'm not unsubbing like others, because regardless of the decisions made, I appreciate what SB is creating. I'll say, however, that I was considering upping my SB patreon. That decision was made for me: my extra Patreon funds went to Kofie. I've never laughed so hard in my life at a youtube, as I did with Jon and Kofie's golf course in Fumble Dimension.

annie

I had no idea I was throwing my money in the Vox pit and now I'm disappointed in myself. Hope you all go indie soon, until then I'm joining everyone else in unsubbing.

Evan A

Nebula would be a great fit for the work SB does, but I'm not sure if it works with the full team structure. Certainly would be worth trying though

Terakahn

Honestly as someone who isn't super into sports, I'll always watch and love your series. Especially the team history ones, some of the best sports documentaries I've ever seen. But at the end of the day, I'm subscribing because I like the type of content you make and I like the people who make it. I was introduced to Jon Bois years ago and love the way he tells a story, and honestly I'm here because of him. I hope you don't take that the wrong way. That being said, content creation is a business. No matter what way you cut it, it is. It requires resources, and manpower, and that can get complicated. It's up to you guys to decide how best to approach that. If you think it's the right call, despite apparent protests I was previously unaware of, then I simply have to have faith that you know what you're doing. Because up until now you've built a media channel that looks like they do, and I have no reason to think otherwise. And the success you've had wasn't by accident. I'm glad you've been trasparent about it as well, in spite of short term setbacks that are likely to come from it. If this Patreon supports Vox, and Vox supports you, and there's any relationship between those two things. Then I see no reason to pull support here. It's a hard industry. I hope you end up in a better place down the road as a result of the partnerships you've taken on. And I hope you don't lose the things that made you special in the process.

Eli Hekel

Not gonna lie, this is rough. I hope someone farther up the management chain reads these comments, we aren’t here for “Secret Base” as some sort of corporate owned brand that Vox can put on whatever they like, we’re here for the specific people that make up that team. Losing any of them is going to directly impact income. That’s simply how Patreon works. That said I appreciate the statement, and though it was rough to consider, I will continue to support. Best of luck to the fellas we’re losing.

B

They do have a union. It's just that unions and American labor rights have lagged so far behind for so long that winning any sort of meaningful concession is like pulling teeth.

Teague10 Plays

Just wanted to say goodbye and thank you for all the content to this point. I can't give money to yall anymore since you let Kofie go.

NotoriousDel

Yeah, I'm out. Kofie is a bridge too far. Thank you for what you have produced over the years. Goodbye.

Sam

It should be noted that Secret Base had nothing to do with Kofie being fired, it was out of their hands and the responsibility of the higher-ups at Vox.

Sam

It should be noted that Secret Base had nothing to do with Kofie being fired, it was out of their hands and the responsibility of the higher-ups at Vox.

ranavain

Yeah, a bit of back-of-napkin math tells you that what SB makes on the Patreon is not *nearly* enough to support the entire team they have working, even without the 3 just laid off. I'm not a particular fan of Vox corporate either, but if SB went independent they would need to sell a LOT of sponsorships and make a lot of ad revenue on Youtube to make the math work. That has to happen anyway, but at least writers and editors and creatives aren't having to spend their time doing that legwork

Anthony Kolton

1) Didn't realize I was giving money to Vox 2) I know it was Vox's decision and not SB's, but that doesn't make the decision and its effects any better. 3) You're right: they are special. Bad move, Vox. In any case, it sucks even more because Vox is an incredibly well-funded organization in their own right. Steven, Tyson, and Kofie's jobs aren't a make-or-break factor for their business success.

Emerald Aly

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't happy the guy lost his job and I'm sure he's a good friend to the people who know him personally, but as a viewer watching content, I got very tired of Kofie's style after a while. It pretty much just boiled down to complaining about how everything sucks and he'd rather do anything else. The audacity of it was funny the first time or two, but that was pretty much it.