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Watchmen (2009) (Patreon)

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Full link: https://youtu.be/Zj_p7LwKh6M

Hi peeps!

Watch me discover the DC Universe even more! This movie was a special request so I didn't really know what I was getting into, except for the fact that I loved the Batman trilogy, so I assumed I would like this one too. I still need to get used to seeing heroes in a different context than Marvel, but I liked it a lot!

How did you enjoy this movie?

Mary

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Tyler Foster

I guess this is the theatrical cut based on the length (there are three: the 2h42m theatrical cut, the 3h6m director's cut, and the 3h35m Ultimate Cut). Been meaning to rewatch this one for awhile so maybe I'll do the watch-along later.

Brian Leonard

Speaking of Marvel...Can we expect Marvel content in March?

Eric

You say "discover the DC Universe" and technically that's correct (this graphic novel was published by DC) but it doesn't really connect to the wider DC universe in any way. So... it's a good story but you can't really take anything from this as far as what it means, DC compared to Marvel, etc. I think Zack Snyder, the director, is a hack who not only can't tell good stories, he simply doesn't understand *why* a great story succeeds (or how a bad story fails). All he can do is director pretty pictures with absolutely no substance to them whatsoever. That being said... in this case he had maybe the most lauded graphic novel of all-time as a basis for the story, so... it's still a fine movie. He only really changed one meaningful thing, as far as I'm aware (which completely undercuts the entire point of the story, but whatever - in the novel, Ozymandias makes it look like the Earth was attacked by aliens, so that he'd force all the nations of Earth to come together against a perceived outside threat. He was trying to unite the Earth. In the movie, he frames Dr Manhattan because... Snyder wanted the Earth to unite against America? I'm not sure what he was thinking there. JK, I know what he was thinking: he was thinking "pretty pictures. Pretty pictures" and nothing else.) Excellent casting. Patrick Wilson is great in everything ("Stretch" is a movie it seems nobody has heard of, which is a shame: IMO it's Wilson's best movie. Chris Pine is also *excellent* in it; I didn't have much of an opinion of Pine before I saw him in Stretch), Jackie Earl Haley is inspired as Rorschach, Jeffrey Dean Morgan is perfect as the Comedian, Malin Akerman and Billy Crudup are great, who doesn't love Carla Gugino? More like Matthew Great, amirite? (See what I did there? Nailed it.) Although apparently Snyder wanted it to be obvious that Ozymandias was the villain as soon as you are introduced to him, which... odd choice. But yeah, the casting is *on point* with this one. Great story; the adaptation is fine.

George Baxter
>>78427187

Yeah I loved Marvel too... those were the days. I was a Firefly fan as well. But I've stopped wishing for that show. I will praise! Praise!! ;)

Travis

I wouldn’t get too fixated on trying to box this movie into DC or Marvel. It’s really it’s own thing. This movie is based on a single graphic novel. These characters aren’t common stays in the DC universe.

Watyusei

Oh wow, this was one i was hoping you would react to since the batman begins post but didnt expect to see it so soon. Awesome surprise!

Michael Turpin
>>78427257

That's the problem with having characters like the smartest man on earth and someone who can perceive all of time while taking creative liberties and making a plot twist. Oh yea and having all that slow mo lol

W T

"Who watches Watchmen?"

Eric

I mean... the big difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel uses Marvel characters like Spiderman and the X-Men, whereas DC uses DC characters like Batman and Superman. As far as the comics go, there have been many writers and artists that have worked for both companies and they bring their individual styles to whatever they are working on. And you can check out any title and see how characters are written differently depending on the writer ... I guess there's a stylistic difference in approaches but that seems to me to be relatively unimportant for any given story or even character. If you're talking DCU vs MCU, then yeah, the DCU is "darker" because it was kicked off by Zack Snyder who is a teenage edgelord, but they've been course correcting from day 1, so who knows what the DCU will look like in the next movie? (And "Watchmen" isn't part of the DCU.) (I'm guessing you don't want a lot of negativity on here, and I apologize for that, but I don't see how to avoid it. The MCU was planned out from the beginning; you can see so many thoughtful moments that pay off moments from years prior - Feige said everything had been leading up to "on your left" from Falcon in Endgame. And I've mentioned before how satisfying it is to see Thor, in Endgame, excited that Cap can lift Mjolnir after he was worried about it in Age of Ultron. The DCU, on the other hand, had no plans beyond "let's make a ton of money." And it shows. Every movie is an over-correction to the valid criticisms of the previous movie. I like some of the casting, I *love* the characters (I definitely like DC more than Marvel), but... it's been a mess. To phrase it generously.

David Lonewolf Wright

I felt this was a pretty faithful adaptation of the graphic novel, with just the change in the world threat at the end. I thought the change worked just as well as the original since Dr. Manhattan can pretty much live forever so he will always be considered a threat that will keep the world united and working together. I recommend reading the graphic novel when you get a chance and then watch the excellent HBO series Watchmen as that one is based more as a continuation of the graphic novel than this movie. I would recommend Zack Snyder's even more faithful adaption for the graphic novel 300.

Brian Jones
>>78427257

What are you talking about? Firstly, completely disagree regarding Snyder as a director, but hey, you're welcome to your opinion. Second, the ending is exactly the same, minus the squid/alien angle of course, which would have been ridiculous in cinematic form anyway. The world unites, not "against America" (have you even seen this film?), it unites as one against Dr. Manhattan who was framed for it all. The point of the movie is exactly the same as the comic. It has the same dystopian feel and the same anti-heroes. Hell, it's practically the comic in cinematic form with literal sequences in the film ripped directly from the page, and certainly the closest anyone has come to date of achieving that. I'm sorry man, but past your obvious bias against Snyder, I honestly have no idea where you're coming from....smh

Brian Jones

Glad you got to this one Mary. It's certainly not your typical comic book film and certainly a bit deeper than your average simple superhero story, but it is one of the most beloved graphic novels ever written. It is however a product of it's time. It was published in 1986 in monthly installments and later released as the full novel in 87. The author, Alan Moore, is a bit of a hardcore liberal, so while you may not catch all of the references to how America was in the 80's during the Reagan era (and it's a highly stylized version of it), the cold war vibe and the fiction of Nixon being president for 5 terms pretty much tells you where the author was coming from and what his perspective and worldview was. It was basically his morally gray telling of a cold war era story in a world containing very ambiguous "heroes". But it did ask the hard questions of just how morally clouded one would become given this fictional and dystopian environment, and just how detached someone like Dr. Manhattan would become from humanity. As someone said above, none of the characters in this story are a part of the official DC universe (DCEU) that people refer to now, that would start with Man of Steel and continue on with Batman v. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Zack Snyder's Justice League. There are more, but those are the first 4 to concentrate on. I really do hope you take that journey though, as those films are a fun and interesting ride. Some excellent, some just good, and some bad, but that pretty much comes with any films in the comic book genre. They all have their hits and misses. Great reaction as always, and I look forward to future content.

Eric
>>78427257

Yeah... the squid was an alien, which is why in the comic the world united against an outside [the world] threat. Dr. Manhattan was considered by every nation to be a representative of America, hence him being the villain makes *America* the villain. My "bias" against Snyder stems from the fact that I've watched many of his films and they're bad. I'm not sure noticing that I don't like his work makes me biased towards not liking his work. You're working backwards, my dude.

Eric
>>78427257

Seriously, you're saying a squid would be too silly... but human beings with the ability to punch holes in walls or jump from a flying nite owl-ship and superhero land without hurting themselves isn't?

Brian Jones
>>78427257

That literally makes no sense as America turns on Dr. Manhattan as well.... It's in the dialogue delivered directly to you in the film (again, did you even watch the movie?). And yes, a squid magically appearing at the end of the movie would have been pretty ridiculous as opposed to pinning it on a character we've come to know very well and grown with throughout the film. IMHO it's a better ending than the original graphic novel, and at very least a far better choice for the ending of the film. As for your opinion of Snyder's films being "bad", that's simply your opinion about a subjective medium. An opinion millions of people clearly disagree with. Labeling him a "hack" is probably one of the most cliché and boring internet regurgitated opinions that I've heard. But again, that's just like, your opinion man..... :)

Eric
>>78427257

Fundamentally misunderstanding the core of who Superman is isn't "subjective". Nor is having the scenes out of order. And it's clear, based on interviews he's done, that he doesn't like Superman or comic books in general, so... not really "subjective" to suggest that somebody who doesn't like comic books shouldn't make comic book movies; that somebody who admits to not understanding Superman shouldn't try to make a Superman movie. Also, he made fun of comic book fans because they thought comic books were "a fantasy world", which demonstrates that he thinks comics are real? I'm not sure, but he's pretty stupid too. Sorry.

Brian Jones
>>78427257

In regards to your analysis of Superman, you're making it very apparent you're not watching these films. In regards to what you think about his respect for comics, watchmen is almost a panel for panel recreation. The graphic novel was literally used as the storyboard for the film....smdh.... I don't know where you get your information, but he spent thousands of hours digging through Superman/Batman/WW lore to do those films. Again, it's like you're from another planet man, and severely misinformed. And yes, at the end of the day, it's just your opinion and it's 100% subjective (also clearly uninformed). I'll give you this though, you are certainly doing your part for the internet toxic hate department. :)

Em McG

Mary you should not think of this as a DC film. I'm pretty sure others have said the same thing. I like to think of this as a Zack Snyder film. Zack is a good guy. Regarding Marvel movies they are also not "all Marvel" in that they are not all MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Many studios made movies with Marvel characters but the MCU are the recent unified ones with connected storylines. MCU made 21 movies with Thanos in mind as the big villain and it all cumulated in Avengers Endgame the 22nd movie.

Matt Blanchette
>>78452880

I don't think Moore would call himself a "liberal"; I think he'd call himself a hardcore wizard socialist.

Alissonbecker94

When are we getting eternals and shang Chi?😅

Brian Jones
>>78452880

Who doesn't mind filling his personal coffers with the gains of capitalism. :)

Travis

Fun to watch along with this one Mary. There are some slight variations to the graphic novel. I won’t spoil them for you because I honestly think if youre going to read any “comic” book you should start with this one. It’s such an easy read, it’s completely unique and really, really well done.