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Arrival (2016) (Patreon)

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Full link: https://youtu.be/gjcWxoiCoKg

Hi peeps!

I had no idea what to expect from this movie, and I feel like even during the movie it kept it's unpredictability. I thought it was cool, deep and moving. Really loved it. How did you enjoy this movie?


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Em McG

hey I watched this reaction again! I guess I'll mention a couple of things, Regarding the question of "would you do it, doing something anyway that will end up losing in the end." I think when you perceive time in a non-linear fashion you would be experiencing the present and the future simultaneously. I think that point in time when you make a decision is simultaneously happening as the outcome of that decision. It might be easy to decide because the results and the end you will experience as you are deciding what to do. It looked like Louise experienced Hannah before she even came about and so in-a-way the decision had already been made even if the decision was in the future. This takes us to the question, does free will even exist? That is a good one to think about, and some pretty smart people are seriously considering that no it doesn't exist.

Em McG
>>106526019

and now for the 2nd thing I thought I'd mentions... Regarding the genre of science fiction and what is it even about (as in the reaction you pondered how sci-fi touches the human condition). I keep a list of movies and one day I thought I could categorize them but I wanted to use as few categories as possible, for example if there are only 2 categories they could be 1) easy/fun and 2) intense. But if I were to use more categories one would be sci-fi and so I had to come up with a definitive definition of the genre that can be summed up easily, for example sci-fi must be distinguishable from fantasy. So here's the definition I came up with, Science fiction is the exploration of future technology and its effects on society (there it is in one sentence.) It must include the human condition and philosophically it might even address the fate of humanity. It also has to be about technology that we can imagine but not achievable yet. Let's give a couple of movie examples with no spoilers, Mars Attacks - traveling between planets is a future technology we can imagine and it's important that the Martians attack Earth so the it will fulfill the other part where the story explores the consequences to human society. In opposite of this, if the story is about one planet attacking a different planet that is far away from Earth then that is fantasy because it doesn't involve us humans, you can see it's a narrow definition of sci-fi from just 2 simple conditions. The Terminator is science fiction because there is future technology, the Terminator has robotic actuators and it uses semiconductors. Also yes the setting is on Earth and they're messing about affecting people's lives. In Arrival... we can imagine the implication of the technology that Louise brings and teaches to the people. It will likely have profound implications to the trajectory of human civilization in the next several hundred years. What Louise experienced with Hannah perhaps others would experience as well and that means it could pose deep questions as to what it means to be human, after the events in this story.

Luetin

One of my favourite movies, mainly as its unusual for movies involving the discussion of time to tackle Eternalism, primarily because its such a massive headache for most people to conceptualize. The film is more complex than it even appears at face value, because it is presenting not just the idea they describe in the film that the aliens see time cyclically and eventually louise is also able to see into the future. Its also the idea that you have an ability to see all of time, Eternalism being the concept that past present and future all exist simultaneously. Its not clarified in the film how someone might see or be presented with the past and future together, if they are able to see events other than their own for example. Its also easy to imagine that for humans making the transition from linear to eternalist perspectives of time could be very likely damaging to our mental stability. But its this concept of how to handle such knowledge that presents the most interesting questions of the film and which Mary asked at the end - why would she choose to have a child knowing it would die? Perhaps the question is really - does she have a choice in making that determination. Because this is the tricky philosophical concept the film somewhat presents - if the future is known - this means it is established, the way the aliens present us with the concept of time is not one of possibilties they do not see the future as one of many different possiblities, they see it as already affirmed. This is the difficult thing when it comes to Eternalism it also brings into the picture questions about consciousness and free will. If past present and future exist already, you are never really choosing to do anything, you more simply affirm to make a choice, but ultimately its already happened. So do you make a choice at all? Or merely confirm some actions and not others.

RocktSurgeon
>>83633806

Hah, interesting to run into another (very different) content creator here that I’ve really enjoyed, and with pretty shared appreciation for a unique movie. I especially like that it doesn’t just discuss/include this Un-anchored from/outside of time but it manages to include a bit of the same feeling in the structure of the movie itself, so while Louise is slowly experiencing more of time at once the audience is having the same confused swings of context.

Anonymous

I took deductive logic as my philosophy credit as well! I was like, well, it's good enough for Spock...I had no idea I was getting into algebra with ideas. Also, the movie kicks ass.

Tyler Foster

Abbott and Costello were a classic comedy duo. I guess it's sort of like naming them Cheech and Chong or Beavis and Butt-Head -- although Abbott and Costello's most famous routine, "Who's on First?," is based in linguistics. Now you really need to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, IMO, which I think taps into very similar emotional themes through sci-fi. I also really love Blade Runner 2049, which is by the same director as this movie, Denis Villeneuve (he went on to direct Dune as well). You will of course need to see Blade Runner first. Personally (and this may be controversial), while I love Blade Runner, I think that one is more visually groundbreaking, and then the second is the better movie (even though the first is also a great movie, and the second is also gorgeous).

Amos T Fairchild

And then we go what a nice happy Amy Adams film like Enchanted...

Matt Thompson

I'm so glad you did this movie. It's one of my all time favorites, and to this day when I hear the score it can move me to tears.

John Courtright

I'm so glad you watched this film, Mary!! It is one of my all-time favorites! It is such a unique and distinctive approach to start the film in such a way as to convince us that Louise has already been a mother, but to gradually, throughout the film, give us insight into what is actually happening. Such a beautiful and heart-breaking story. The question you posed at the end is a difficult one. Would you bring someone into the world, knowing the pain and suffering which they (and you) would have to experience? Personally, I agree with the famous nineteenth century English poet, Alfred, Lord Tennyson who penned the words, "better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all". Also, there were many happy years for Hannah. Would it be fair to deny her the chance to enjoy those happy years of life? I highly recommend watching this movie again (when you're ready). It is such a different experience knowing (like Louise) what is going to happen but, strangely, the film's impact is just as profound and moving as the first time. Wonderful reaction Mary!!

shaneth138

This was a dream for me for you to watch this because I just feel like this strikes certain types of people in a particular way that is hard to explain. I knew you were one of those people. This is one of those movies that requires multiple rewatches. I learn something new every time I watch. The movie takes on an entirely new life when you know the twist and rewatch it from the perspective of Louise, who you now know is interpreting time all at once instead of linearly like the rest of us. Notice how the alien craft itself is the shape of a seed. This is symbolic. The movie is itself is a seed to remind us that we are beings that are experiencing time linearly but if we just learn to rewire our brains to interpret things in a circular fashion life can be perceived in a much more beautiful even if more tragic way. Our time in the way we perceive is limited. Which is why tragedy is a sad thing to us. What this movie teaches us is that there is a past version of ourselves, and future version of ourselves, experiencing this very moment we are in right now simultaneously. For example, a camera captures time, still frame by still frame. It is scientifically proven that our brains experience life this way too. Still frame by still frame, in linear order. There is a key section of dialogue in this movie where Renner's character says something along the lines of how learning a new language can shape, not only our personality, but the way we interpret life altogether. The entire movie is about this concept. We are all constantly time traveling through all the different versions of ourself. It’s the universal language as is the title of thew book she wrote in the future. Every passing moment is a birth and a death at the same time. And once we can see that, life becomes drastically more beautiful. This movie is the most useful tool for me to not only remember to appreciate the present moment, but reteach me actually HOW to appreciate it. Which is a big difference. I love the point you made, proposing the scenario of, “would you go through something so beautiful even if you know you’re going to lose it.” This is a reminder that we are all going through this now. We are all going to lose this eventually. Look around at every single detail and person we know in this life… because we will lose all of it someday. In some way already have. But we can choose to see that as beautiful instead of as something hurtful. Beauty hurts. Beauty also laughs and screams in joy too. But we can’t forget the part that it hurts too. But it’s beautiful. Every single moment is. We are all unstoppable.

shaneth138
>>83647355

If this movie haunts you for the next couple days, like it did to me, I encourage you to watch the 'Arrival Explained' video on YouTube by the channel Logos Made Flesh. It's filled with great info into the movie, but also a direct way how we can reapply this line of thinking to our personal lives. Then the video essay from 'like stories from old's' video essay on this film is also incredible. The more you dive into this movie the more you realize that this is far more than a movie. It's a weapon. Or a tool.

Jack the Narrator

ARRIVAL is a masterpiece. Easily one if the finest films made in the past decade and one that brings new perspectives with every viewing. A key theme that I picked up on after the first time I watched it in 2016, but one that many people fail to notice about ARRIVAL, revolves around the importance of the concept of communication. While the characters are learning how to communicate with the heptapods, the rest of the world is cutting themselves off from one another, producing misunderstandings and assumptions that lead to civil unrest. It's unnerving that the meaning of an innocuous word in one language can be read as a completely hostile word in another. I feel this film came out at a time where our lack of communication with one another, in spite of all the technology at our disposal to reach out to one another, really says volumes about our society. Amy Adams is one of my favorite actresses, and her role as Louise is one easily one if her best performances. I highly recommend checking her out in the 2013 true story comedy-drama AMERICAN HUSTLE, also featuring Jeremy Renner as well as Christian Bale, Bradley Cooper, and Jennifer Lawrence.

Brian Jones

So glad you enjoyed it. I really adore this movie. The message is so powerful. Villeneuve, like Nolan, or Fincher, is one of those amazingly talented visionaries that really can do no wrong. I know you've seen Dune, but I really hope you get to more of his stuff in the future. Prisoners, Blade Runner 2049 (would advise seeing the original 1982 Blade Runner by Ridley Scott first as it's a sequel), and Enemy are all amazing films. Thanks for the wonderful and heartfelt reaction.

Dean A
>>83675186

Blade Runner (Final Cut for preference) then Blade Runner 2049, seconded. In fact, of the two I would recommend Blade Runner 2049 alone, but I'm not sure it would be wise to watch it without having seen the first one.

Brian Jones

And Sicario, dear lord how did I forget Sicario... Another Villeneuve film that is amazing and a must see at some point.

Ashleep
>>83646323

" It is such a different experience knowing (like Louise) what is going to happen but, strangely, the film's impact is just as profound and moving as the first time. " Truly! This was my third re-watch and I was so glad to re-watching it (and crying along) with you, Mary!

Jack Burton

I know this was months ago but in case you see this... True SciFi isn't about futuristic war or aliens exactly. Sure, it obviously can include things like that... but true SciFi is about what it means to be human. It's about the philosophy, ethics, morality, and the impact of what human action or inaction is and what the price of mankind pushing forward into the future will be. Obviously technology plays a role in most sci-fi but not always. Sometimes it's just about time travel or even just a really smart kid that knows things nobody else does. Scifi is pretty great.