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No country for old men (Patreon)

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Full link: https://youtu.be/5frwq1WAzx4

This movie blew me away. You have all the rules of film with the villain and the main character etc. and then it goes a completely different way. Also interesting to think about the meaning of the title. Before I watched, I didn't really know what to think about that, but in the end it made sense. What an experience!


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RandomFrog

The Departed is another great Crime/Thriller/Drama.

MattTheHazard

This is one of my, if not my, favourite movies. The Cohen brothers are amazing directors with many great films under their belts. Edit: I'll point out three of the many things I think make this movie great. First, there is no music the hole movie. You picked up on it a little in the one motel scene when you mentioned how quiet and tense it was. Second, every kill gets less and less violent/aggressive. It starts with the cop being strangled to death which takes a minute or two and ends with the audience not even seeing the last few kills, including Llewelyn's death. Last and most important, the Cohen brothers don't take the audience to be idiots. They expect the audience to put two and two together. For example, Llewelyn buys tent poles and when he gets back to the motel we know it's to get the case. Llewelyn doesn't walk into a store and ask for a long stick to get something he can't reach which happens in some movies.

Dean Bergen

FUNFACT: The character played by your buddy from True Detective, Woody Harrelson, was based on a real Texas hitman, Charles Harrelson, who was Woody's father in real life.

Tyler Foster

You did in fact watch the one with the Academy Award-winning star of The Fugitive. Tommy Lee Jones, who plays Sheriff Ed Tom Bell, is probably most famous for this movie, The Fugitive, and the Men in Black series. Not surprising given he's purple and redone with CGI in those movies, but I guess you didn't recognize Thanos (Josh Brolin) as Llewellyn Moss. The availability of HBO and other premium cable channels was a major advertising point for American hotels and motels in the '80s and '90s. I think your inclination is correct, that he did kill Carla, because he checks his boots for blood. I would call this both a Western and a neo-noir. Noir was a genre that was formed in the 1940s, and the prototypical noir tends to involve private detectives and femme fatales, but I think at the core of noir, you have characters that are desperate to improve their station in life and make reckless decisions in pursuit of that. Characters finding a bag of money is another noir standby. Blood Simple was also a neo-noir ("neo" just meaning new, as in a noir not from the original classic era of the 1940s and 1950s), and I think it and this movie go together very well. The Coens also made another famous neo-noir, perhaps their most famous movie (you can argue that this and Lebowski are equally famous), called Fargo (later adapted into a popular TV show), and a less-famous neo-noir called The Man Who Wasn't There. Both are absolutely outstanding and I think you would like them as much as this one.

TinCan Cosmanaut

No music Don’t know if u mentioned it. Just started watching. Such amazing storytelling it becomes a feature.

TinCan Cosmanaut

45m in. This movie might be the best example of SHOW, don’t tell story telling. Geez I love this film

Anonymous

This is a great film, adapted from a legendary American author. Many people feel let down by the ending because we are all expecting a grand showdown between hero and villain. The genius is that we get shocked by the abrupt and unfair end of Llewelyn, just like he was. We didn’t know how in peril he was, same as him. Just like in life there aren’t any absolutes, even the all powerful evil is humbled by chance in the end, as if by the flip of a coin. Great stuff.

Anonymous

You can write a term paper on this film/book. But I'll try to keep it to the more interesting parts: Things to keep in mind with Anton Chigurh 1.) When he kills someone, we either see it either explicitly or it's strongly hinted at. 2.) When Anton commits a crime, he leaves no evidence that'll link it to him. He also prefers to leave no sign or trace of his existence period when he interacts with others, but he's not always successful at that (but at least the people he let live didn't witness Anton committing any wrongdoing). If Anton leaves a witness alive, it's cuz they agreed to not have "seen" him. 3.) Anton never incriminates himself when he talks. He never specifies that he has killed or that he intends to (cuz a verbal threat IS a crime). Instead, he always speaks in cryptic or incredibly vague statements-- this is one way in which Anton leaves no evidence of his crimes. Examples, we know the gas station clerk's life is what's being gambled on with the coin toss, even the clerk knows that if he calls it incorrectly that Anton will kill him. BUT Anton never specifies that the clerk's life is on the line. When the clerk asks "what am I putting up on this coin toss", Anton's answer to that is "you stand to win EVERYTHING"-- obviously that means he gets to keep on living his life. But in a court of law, that statement is too vague to be interpreted as a threat. What would the clerk say had he called the cops? "I feared for my life when this creepy guy came into my gas station." "Well, sir, did he assault you or verbally threaten to do so?" "Well... no, he didn't say he'd kill me. But he made me participate in a coin toss and I felt threatened." "Well, that's not exactly a crime, sir. We have no cause to arrest him." The reason Anton became hostile with the gas station clerk in the first place is cuz the clerk inquired where Anton was from, asking him "Do you get any rain your way? I noticed you're from Dallas." The clerk now has information about Anton, which sets him off cuz Anton doesn't want anyone knowing anything about him, or "seeing" him. If the clerk just said nothing, Anton would have paid for the gas and left, no coin toss, no reason to contemplate killing him, no incident. Anton would've just been another random customer. Another instance of Anton speaking in vague terms; after Anton kills Carson Wells (Woody Harrelson in True Detective) in the hotel, he gets a phone call from Llewelyn Moss who asks "is Carson there?" to which Anton replies "Well, not in the sense that you mean." Again, Anton does not specify that he killed Wells. We and Llewelyn Moss know what he's implying when he said that. But in a court of law, if that conversation was recorded, the statement would be too vague to use as an admission of guilt that he did indeed murder Wells. "Carson is not here in the sense that you mean" could mean Carson's in the bathroom or he's out eating in a restaurant somewhere etc. Also, in the same phone conversation, Anton implies that he will kill Llewelyn but he doesn't say it directly. Anton's words were "I can't tell you that you can save yourself, because you can't." Again, we get the implication but it's too vague to legally be a threat. Now, did Anton kill Carla Jean (Llewelyn Moss's wife) at the end? Definitely, cuz he checks his boots for blood when he exits the house (she's dead in the book too). Keeping blood off his boots is recurring thru-out. It's cuz police can accurately determine someone's shoe size (and get an estimation of their height) from bloody footprints. Also, when Anton kills Carson Wells (Woody Harrelson in True Detective) in the hotel, Anton sees Carson's blood running on the floor towards his boots, so Anton puts his feet up on the bed. Also, Anton removes his boots and walks around in his socks before he engages in the shoot-out with the Mexicans in the motel room. After he kills them, he leaves his bloody socks behind, which makes you think that's evidence, right? No, it's not cuz you can't determine someone's shoe size from their socks. When you buy socks, the package says "will fit shoe sizes 6-12" or whatever. So, those bloody socks are useless to police. Now, does Anton kill the accountant? I mean, he witnessed Anton shooting Stephen Root's character (the guy who hired all the money trackers) in his office. But since it's not hinted that Anton kills him, the answer (to me) is no. Why I think so is cuz when the accountant asks "are you gonna shoot me now", Anton replies "that depends, do you SEE me?" Of course, anyone with a brain would say "No, I just walked into Stephen Root's office and found him bleeding to death on the floor. I didn't SEE anyone else." Also, when Anton gets into the car accident at the end, he walks away from it which is illegal, so Anton pays off the kids saying "Take this money, and you didn't SEE me, I was already gone." So, Anton doesn't kill every witness, but if they agree to have not "seen him", then they can live. Also, in the conversation between Carson Wells and Llewlyn in the hospital, Carson asks "You SAW him [Anton] and you're still alive?" When Sheriff Ed Tom Bell has that conversation about modernity with the other older cop, Ed Tom even refers to Anton as "a ghost" who leaves without a trace. Anton Chigurh is also commonly interpreted as the embodiment of fate (allowing people's fate to be determined by chance with a coin toss) or as a spectre of death. With that strange haircut of his, his silhouette makes him look like a hooded figure (i.e. the Grim Reaper). I view Anton more as a metaphorical character than a literal one. --------------------------------------- We're led to believe that Llewlyn Moss is the main character but he's not. Sheriff Ed Tom Bell is. A lot of people mistakenly think the title "No Country for Old Men" refers to old men's inability to cope with changing times, specifically the violence aspect. But that's incorrect. The point of the film/book is that nothing has changed, the world was ALWAYS this violent. It's just that as men get older, violence feels more violent, more visceral, more threatening on a psychological level. Think about it this way, 2 men in their 20s get into a fist fight. They get bruises, black eyes, cuts, bruised bones, maybe even a broken bone. But no big deal, cuz when you're young, you're stronger, healthier, have more energy, you heal quicker, you handle pain better etc. Now, imagine an 80-year-old man getting into a fist fight with one of those 20-year-olds. When you're old, you're closer to death so you're slower, your body's weaker, your bones are more brittle, have a weaker heart, you might have underlying health conditions etc. That fist fight will likely kill the older man. Old men are more susceptible to death hence why violence feels scarier and more visceral than it did when they were younger. When Ed Tom visits his relative (Ellis I think) in the wheelchair, he tells Ed Tom the story of how their uncle was gunned down on his own porch back in 1909, making the point that the world isn't getting more violent but that it was always this way. Ed Tom also asks Ellis if the man who shot him was released from jail what would he do. His answer was "nothing I suppose" to which Ed Tom replied "surprised to hear you say that", implying that Ellis in his youth was probably ruthless and full of energy, but as he aged, he lost his edge, his violent streak. Same reason why racecar driver Carroll Shelby (Matt Damon in "Ford v Ferrari") retired from racing. As he got older, he lost his edge, couldn't handle the danger any more. Law enforcement is a young man's game which is why Sheriff Ed Tom Bell feels "overmatched".

MrHolbyta

As I was watching along with you, I thought of another film with a character who doesn’t understand the danger they’re in from the cartel: Sicario, directed by Denis Villeneuve. It’s fantastic and intense. I think you’d enjoy it. Interestingly, it also stars Josh Brolin.

Sonny Smith

Did I miss the True Grit reaction, or has she just seen it and didn't do a reaction to it? She mentions having seen it in this reaction.

Tyler Foster
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It was a request, and is not currently available on the channel, although I'd like it to be.