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Just Rolled With It | Prime Defenders Season 2 Episode 13 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-09-21 16:01:02
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2023-07-23 03:18:14
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2026-06
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THE COUNCIL DISCUSSES EPISODE 13 OF SEASON 2 OF PRIME DEFENDERS

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karma

i think it was the prime defenders fault, wavelength was shitty dad but idk what i would do in his situation he was protecting his sun from an evil guy and the prime defenders took a civilian to the evil guys base getting him killed

karma

well turned not killed

Bully Me

Before I listen to this, I just want to say, poor Mark. He was experimented on. He lost his wife TO his son's powers. His son was taken over by the very thing that killed his wife. And he tried so hard to get Ashe to stay safe but it just didn't work. And now he's in prison, for what exactly? Because he was associated with the overlord?? I don't think Mark even hurt a single person.

Bully Me

Exactly, he loves his son despite his son inadvertently killing his wife and son's mother like... And Ashe didn't really hate being stuck, it was Dakota that sort of forced that idea onto Ashe. If you go back to that episode where Ashe was first introduced, you'll notice that Ashe was alright, but Dakota wasn't alright with it. And Ashe didn't REALLY want to be a superhero. He just said it would be cool. Poor Mark man he really just has it all out bad.

Bully Me

Also, about the depowering thing. Why did they depower Tide? Exactly what did he do wrong? Nothing? That's what I thought.

karma

dude listening to there mark opinions makes me not happy

karma

prime defenders got ashe killed

Yomama88

Just realized didn't they say the cell turns off magic, if so doesn't that mean the litch is gonna die anyway

Blueberry

Oh, I’m very excited for more character growth! I was afraid that the characters were starting to settle into a “goofball all the time” dynamic, but now faced with these grim and morally gray realities, the comedic bits oddly feel more fitting. A bunch of teens trying keep their spirits high with jokes as to not be crushed by the immense weight of what they’re starting to deal with. Dakota, ironically, seems to be the first to start to buckle, although I’m not sure what that necessarily means for him… I guess we’ll just have to ro- *gunshot* I’m so invested in where y’all are going with these characters! I hope you keep on having fun and making stories!

Roosy

Can't wait for Vincents absolute anti hero arc. Really excited to see where bizzly shifts the tone this time around, really enjoying the dark shift recently. Also super impressed by his ability to be such an asshole to these little shits as NPC's. Keep it coming 👑

Owltrocious

Do i have a fundamental misunderstanding of Mark Winters’ character? He’s a villain, he’s far too over protective of his son, but I can’t help but think he’s caring deep down? It’s been a HOT minute since i watched S1 but didn’t he save and protect these random teenagers keeping him prisoner? Didn’t he and Tide Co-parent them for a little while? He kept his son away from the world (which is bad) but didn’t they both go through a traumatic event where ashe’s book killed his mom? It’s not good but wasn’t he just trying to keep his son safe in his unhealthy way. But at the end of the day, his son started hanging out with the prime defenders and getting out there in the world Mark tried to keep him from and then he beefed it. I think Mark Winters suffered a terrible event, loves his son very much, and expressed those feelings in a bad way, but I do not understand why they find him so irredeemable??

Owltrocious

I dunno, it makes me sad that they hate him out of character so much, but maybe i just misunderstood wavelength and assigned better qualities than he actually has to him.

Owltrocious

Sorry for the thread of comments i just have a lot of thoughts, but I would love to see a Mark Wavelength Winters redemption arc where he realizes that how he was protecting Ashe was unhealthy and contributed to his rebellion and eventual possession, and works together with the PD to save Ashe not as a Super Villain working with Heros toward a goal but as a father wanting to save his son and provide a better life than the one he gave him before.

Mike Rawch

Straight facts man - Wavelength is hands down my favorite JRWI NPC because of how real and relatable he feels in his flaws

Emerald Panda

Didn’t powerhouse die in the first episode of season 2

Mateter

Even though it was terrible for Ashe, and left him no room to grow, Marks way of thinking wasn’t stupid at all, just very toxic. Really all the pds did was prove him right, the moment that they got involved mark got put in danger, and they pulled Ashe into it (literally took him to the SPIRIT WORLD for his first adventure). Then Ashe got shot, and when marks final attempt to take Ashe out of it failed, he lost him to the trickster, and then got put in jail. Sure overlord was taken out, but all the gang has done is do exactly what mark didn’t want to happen, and then mark and Ashe had to pay for it.

BonezMcCann

There really are two wolves inside William. Because he ate them

R.

Even then i dont think mark is a terrible dad. Sure not the best but he seems genually to love and care for his son. He doesnt entirly know what hes doing or if its right but its the only thing he can do to keep his son safe. He even saved the PD quite a few times. He is a good person in a bad situation and i feel bad for him

R.

How do the feed the lich in jail? Or will they just let em starve?

R.

Put my thoughts perfectly into words

Max Out Of Ten

Liches need to feed their phylactery souls rather than absorb them directly. Without a phylactery the Lich will EVENTUALLY die, but phylacteries need to be fed “periodically” which could mean every week or every 100 years. We have no way of knowing exactly.

Uncle Wasabi

Grizzly, sorry bro, but thats a terrible take

lunarb00ts

Totally agree !! And I can't remember if this actually happened or I made it up but I always got the impression that the reason Mark was hiding Ashe from the world was because it was implied that if Mark stepped out of line with Overlord he (or his enemies) would use Ashe to get to him and hiding Ashe was his way of keeping him safe and making sure that never happened. It would also explain why Ashe doesn't understand what Wavelength does beyond the vague notion of him being a "bad guy"

Jcat379

Personally I really like Wavelength and I like seeing things from his perspective. A lot of the time his backstory seems ignored- he was a normal husband and father whose son accidentally got himself possessed and killed his wife. Mark, stuck with no way to look into what the book was or meant, had to be a single father whose son was suddenly in extreme danger and could potentially be extremely dangerous to other people. Confining Ashe to his house and becoming a villian weren't good choices by any means, but he tried to do what he could and he ended up sacrificing his old life and his humanity to keep Ashe safe from villians.

Matt Koltes

Wait... didn't powerhouse die due to the events of the prison riot in S2E1?

Uncle Wasabi

Dakota’s the kind of psycho that would ruin ashe and mark’s reunion

Caleb Dawson

Speaking for grizzly. My parents used to joke with me by driving directly at me when they saw me walking on the road

Ryezun

Same! Twinsies!

AislinnMollisong

I totally agree! Wavelength is my favorite supervillain like, ever, because he feels like a real person! Sure, he's kind of a jerk. But why wouldn't he be? Actually in most of the situations we've seen, he was pretty chill and caring in a gruff and prickly sort of way. The only times he seemed hostile was when the boys were being hostile to him, or doing things that were from his perspective going to hurt his son.

Abigail

Mark is such an interesting character. From his perspective, he lost his wife tragically and, in response, he felt the need to become very protective of his son, who was closely connected to a dangerous power. His views and actions, while wrong, come from a place that make sense. You can’t fault the guy for trying to protect what’s left of his family. Mark goes about it the wrong way, and ends up smothering and restricting Ashe which may partly have been the cause of his choice to become a hero. However I really would never say that Mark holds the entire blame for Ashe’s possession. Arguably the Prime Defenders do hold some of that blame too, as well as Ashe himself. I can’t help but feel sympathy for the guy. At the end of the day this man who has lost everything just wants his family back.

Abigail

I absolutely agree. It has been interesting to see them push some of the blame onto Mark. I would be interested to see the Prime Defenders consider the fact that Ashe’s possession may be partly their fault.

Abigail

I totally agree. I felt sympathy for Wavelength from the beginning, at the end of the day the guy just wants to keep his son safe, ya know? I was surprised how little understanding the PD had for Mark, but the way they reacted to him did kinda make sense for institution-hating teens…

Keyia

I'm in love with all the Mark Winters apologists in the comments, but, seriously, irrational paranoia is a hallmark of Prime Defenders, specifically William at that.

Roaring Thundah

I honestly only went to the comments to see if I was the only one that thought Grizz's take left a sour taste in my mouth. Glad to see people speaking in mark's defense.