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Hey guys,

I wanted to give a clear update now that I’ve had some time to sit with Book 4 and think realistically about what comes next. I gave a real attempt to writing both series at the same time last week, and it became clear pretty quickly that it’s not something I can sustain without both projects suffering.

I put a lot of thought into what makes the most sense this morning and decided I should wait to see what happens when Book 2 and Book 3 launch on Amazon. A big reason is just that I still don't really know how viable the series will be on Amazon, and working on book 4 right now feels a bit like building expansions and rooms on a boat before I've seen if it's going to float or sink.

So the plan right now looks like this:

1) Pause work on Book 4 for now.
2) See how Book 2 and Book 3 do when they launch in February for Book 2, and probably 2-3 months later for Book 3.
3) If it's clear the series is growing well, I can jump back into Book 4 and have a lot more confidence in the work I'm doing.
4) If Books 2 and Book 3 struggle, I'll figure out what makes the most sense going forward.

I know this isn't the update you guys were hoping for. I was feeling really optimistic last week fresh off finishing my second romantasy. I'd fallen into a super stable and productive writing routine, so the idea of just doing a little more in the evenings didn't seem like too big of a stretch. But outlining and planning two new books in two different genres at the same time and then then switching creative gears mid-day was just messy. I felt like bits of both books were bleeding into one another.

Most importantly, I wasn't having fun and felt pretty massively stressed just a few days in. So if things go the way I'm hoping, I can just finish book 3 of my romantasy well ahead of schedule and hopefully jump back into Level One God with renewed confidence because I'll have seen books 2 and 3 helping the series really start to take off.

And as usual, please don't feel any obligation to stay as paid members. My updates will be visible even if you're a free member, and many of you have already been extremely generous already.

I'll pop in when Book 2 launches next month and try to give some updates on how it looks like it's going.

Thanks,
Zack

(PS... I did write the first four chapters and that includes him claiming all of his loot. Would you guys want to just have that to read and see what he got? Or would that be weird to give 4 chapters without any immediate follow up, haha)

Comments

Akkido

LOOT GOBLIN LOOT GOBLIN

Miroslav

Give us chapters 😊

Mr.Turtle

Take your time! As much as I and many others would love to read more of this work, we'd all equally hate if you stressed or overworked yourself just to do it. Personally, I've waited this long so I don't see a reason why I can't wait a little longer. P.S. As a Loot Goblin myself, I really, REALLY wanna see what he got.

Goldfish2

all the loot!! More! More! They shaft bro on some gains Honestly… LOOT!

Elton

Please don't put Brynn Stygos on pause forever.

Tiberius L Cuntington lll

I want those four chapters desperately even though I know the wait for the rest is gonna kill me lol

Ben Bass

Thank you for the update! Sorry to hear the dual writing isn't working for you, it sounds like it was worth a shot and now you know it doesn't work, so you are ahead in that regard. I do hope Book 2 and 3 do well on Amazon, as I really want to see this series continue. It is up to you to drop the chapters, I know I would love to read them, and then really want to know how things progress from there, which won't happen for a while.

John Scott

Thanks for the update, I'd love to see what he got, but maybe we should wait a bit more february launch isn't to far off. then say april for book 2 maybe. How'd book 1 do I got my copy I know.

Bjørn Larsen

How well is book 1 doing? I bought the audiobook a few weeks ago

Zachary Scott

Thanks, John! Book 1 did well enough that I think the *series* has potential. But it didn't do so well that I can just chalk it up and say this series is a success. That's kind of the tricky spot, so I'm hoping I can start to see a pattern when book 2 comes around where things begin growing. Right now it's kind of like... if things remained on this trajectory I'm not sure I'd ever earn back my advance from the publisher, and it wasn't that huge of an advance, haha. But I also came in knowing I probably wouldn't be lucky enough to have book 1 blow up. So I'm still pretty hopeful that things are going to improve as more of the books launch.

Zachary Scott

Thanks, Ben! And yeah, I think it's good to just have given that a shot and figure out it's still not working for me to write both at the same time. I'm still really optimistic about the series overall, but yeah I just need to give it a little time and let book 2 and 3 come out so I can hopefully start to see growth book after book. That would give me a ton of confidence going into book 4.

Zachary Scott

Thanks for the support! And it is kind of tricky because it comparatively was probably like... B to B- performance relative to other lit RPGs. But when books land in that range, I think they generally need to prove they can continue growing book after book as a series to really become sustainable long term. And there are a lot of patterns of success and failure for book series on amazon. Like book 1 can be a smash hit and generally then it's pretty hard to screw up the rest. Or book 1 can do great, but each subsequent book loses reader trust and the series declines sharply over time. or book 1 can do decent, but then the series grows book after book and eventually it becomes a success. I just kind of don't know where I'm landing yet except to say that it wasn't a smash hit or maybe even a "great" launch. I don't know if it really got in front of a ton of readers yet and I haven't seen much chatter about it on social media or anything. So I'm crossing my fingers book 2 and maybe book 3 will show me that it has the potential to keep growing as it releases, basically.

Bjørn Larsen

Well then you should be good. In my view book 1 was the weakest of the books 😉 Especially the dungeon delve was exciting and well paced.

Zachary Scott

Haha yeah I honestly had the same thought. I only read DCC before starting to write and kind of didn't have much of a grasp of the genre until book 2 I think. So it started to pick up around there.

Ben Bass

My fingers are crossed for Book 2 and 3, and don't forget to post on here when they will be released. A few more purchases right off the bat can definitely help get the ball rolling for you!

DBolt

I for one just joined after reading book one + audiobook! Hope I'm not the only one because I'm now a huge fan. Good luck!

Eric Z.

Just bought Book 2 on Amazon. I really hope you are able to continue the series!

Ocellus

So are you just writing for money? I am really loving the series so far and don’t want to get invested into book 3 and further if you are just going to stop writing because it isn’t getting enough attention. I know that question sounds accusatory and that’s not how I mean it exactly. I have gotten my hopes up for series too many times where they stop writing because of this same exact reason. Just don’t give up! It’s a great story. Would be a shame if you stopped writing it.

Zachary Scott

As much as I wish I was just writing for fun, the truth is since I do this as a full time job I do have to make sure the books I'm writing are "financially viable" you could say. Like... imagine if you signed on to work a new job and it was really fun, but your boss wasn't able to pay you for a year or a year and a half. So you've got some money set aside and you make it work as much as you can while working and waiting for the first paycheck. And then when payday does eventually come, your boss apologizes and says the work you've been doing is actually only worth about $0.50 an hour. At that point, most people would likely have to quit, even if they loved the job. That's pretty much how writing for a job works. You put in the time and energy and then you have to cross your fingers that you did enough for the work you're doing to pay your bills. It's not that you are only doing it for the money. It's that you need the money to happen or you can't afford to keep doing it, if that makes more sense. I'm not giving up on it yet because there's still a chance that book 2 might resonate enough to build some word of mouth, which could lead to a delayed boost in performance. And if not, there's also a chance that book 3 could kind of send a different, more positive signal. But so far, if I'm honest, the performance of book 2 has been kind of worrying to me. I can't say for sure yet if there will be a book 4 or not. I can just say I really hope I get to write it, but I don't have enough information at this point to be able to promise I will. Sorry! Long explanation but it's a tricky subject and I wanted to do it justice.

Ocellus

Yeah I completely get it, gotta make money to live, and thank you for the long explanation. I wasn’t trying to dog on you for your reasoning. It’s just not often I come across a good book like this. It needs more love and idk why it isn’t getting any. If it even helps a little I am in a handful of lit rpg Facebook groups and will post there recommending it.

Zachary Scott

Thank you! I really appreciate that. And yeah, it's frustrating on my end as well. I'm sure every author feels this way, but I think the story is good enough to get more attention than it's getting. But I don't know if there's much more I can really do on my end to promote it. I do know some books in the genre kind of slowly gain attention because readers enjoy them and talk about them. So there's still a chance that word of mouth could grow if some vocal people happen to read and enjoy it. Or maybe when book 3 releases that'll be the tipping point. I'm definitely not giving up on the possibility. It's more just that I have to wait until I have some proof of concept to devote half a year or so to writing the next book. But if book 3 launches and doesn't seem to move the needle much again, there's still a chance that 6-12 months later, the series could gain some attention. I'll still be paying attention and ready to continue if I get any excuse to do so, haha.

SAB

This post and some of the recent replies you've made to comments here made me very sad and disappointed at the future of L1G. I'm am (or was) very excited for book three, but now knowing you believe that there's about a snowball's chance it'll continue past book three has me questioning "why bother"? I feel L1G has all of the ingredients of a great weak-to-strong LitRPG series: very likable MC and supporting cast, dynamic power system and its creative use in combat, tons of dopamine hits in the form of loot and levels, interesting worldbuilding and mystery, various antagonists with depth, a budding and believable romance, hilarious scenes and dialog, and so on. What L1G does not have: a rock-solid, consistent posting schedule. At this point, not only is it not consistent, it's non-existent. First, it was the major gap in time (over a year?) between when you stopped posting to rework books one and two and their Kindle releases. Now, months going between Kindle releases despite the books already being finished. How many new readers, after finishing book one, wanted to jump into book two but couldn't because it released months later and now haven't bothered? Same for book two to three? Or tried going to Royal Road or Patreon and saw that those are basically dead? Why would they do anything but put the book they just finished down and never bother coming back? There's no new and ongoing L1G content to engage with! Something you said in a comment here: > And yeah, it's frustrating on my end as well. I'm sure every author feels this way, but I think the story is good enough to get more attention than it's getting. But I don't know if there's much more I can really do on my end to promote it. The absolute best "promotion" an author can do is a consistent posting schedule to Patreon and (with some chapter delay) Royal Road, like clockwork. I believe that all the big boy LitRPG authors do this: RinoZ, Zogarth, Plum Parrot, Cerim, VoidHerald, Shawn Wilson, etc. If you want to be a major success like they are, you should emulate a key factor that makes their readership stick around and grow. If you aren't posting, especially months on end, why would you expect readers to stick around or tell their friends? What readership base is there to draw from to make the Kindle releases an unquestionable success (or rebound later)?

Zachary Scott

Hey SAG. I feel like I'm kind of sensing frustration from your comment here. If you haven't read book 3, I can maybe assume you haven't been keeping up with the discord and Patreon comments enough to sort of know the whole story on my end. But apologies if you already caught this from what you read so far on comments. Basically, there are a few things going on here. One is that I don't post consistently because L1G doesn't earn me anywhere close to the money it would need to be a full-time job. That means my "real" full-time job is writing on my other pen name where I publish romance and most recently, a romantasy. That's how I pay my bills and support my wife and two kids. My hope was that I could eventually get L1G to prove it had some legs on Amazon. I knew I just didn't have the luxury of being somebody who could commit to posting on Patreon and RR regularly for a very long period of time. I was always going to have to pause between books to go write on my other pen name and hopefully earn enough money to keep us floating while I worked on L1G. But if I actually went through and tried to map how much I earned per hour working full-time on Level One God, I would be surprised if it was more than like $0.25 or something? Basically, there's no way in hell I could support my family with this series as it stands. I was still willing to kind of take a shot and put three books out there, though. The hope was that they'd hit Amazon and gain a readership. I know I have a lot more writing experience than most authors in this genre, and I was sort of hoping that would help the books stand out enough to build word of mouth and help it grow in popularity. Unfortunately, it seems like I was wrong there. That's not a guilt trip on readers, either. It's just an honest assessment of how it went. It feels like people read it and like it well enough, but not enough to kind of go around evangelizing it other people. That leaves me in this situation. Either I could do something like you said and gamble that if I spent 6-12 more months working for $0.25 an hour at this, it might eventually turn into a viable full-time job. Or I can accept that I already spent 1.5 years working full-time on this project and acknowledge I'm already super, super fortunate. Because my romantasy has been a huge success, I really enjoy writing it, and I've got a big publisher backing the book and it'll be launching into targets, walmarts, barnes and nobles, etc all over the world in a few months. The truth is I never intended to juggle two genres. The plan was always to transition to lit-RPG *from* romance and leave romance behind. But Lit-RPG started out a lot slower than I was hoping and never picked up, so the romances I wrote to try to buy myself more time to test this ended up changing the picture significantly. And now there's some part of me that would be relieved if I just kind of let this project be for now and was finally able to enjoy the fact that my other genre is kind of doing the thing every author dreams a book would do some day. Instead of really relishing that, I've felt like I've been halfway in this other world where nothing is really working and I can't seem to get a win. So yeah, I was and am still willing to finish this series if it ever picks up on Amazon and people start talking about it and hoping for more. But right now, I just can't justify it unless something changes. Book 1 was firmly in the "meh" territory for how it did on Amazon. Book 2 is on track to maybe get about 1/3rd the readers that book 1 got. So it's reasonable to assume book 3 is going to get like 1/3rd the readers that book 2 got, and so on. But I'm still watching the series and if it starts to pick up or something changes, I'll be ready to adjust my plans. I just wanted to give a long reply to address your comment because I get where you're coming from, but I think understanding more about my situation makes the logic a lot easier to follow. Hopefully, at least.

SAB

Understood. From what you explained, it makes sense that, at this point, L1G is not financially viable enough to continue. I'm glad to hear that your other series is very successful for you. I guess my overall point is that, from my perspective as someone who has read and follows dozens of LitRPG and progression fantasy series, both in ebook and serial formats via Kindle, RR, and Patreon, looking back L1G was never going to succeed with the posting schedule it had. I don't know anything about the romantasy community, but for LitRPG fans going months to years without chapters means that people lose interest and move on. Periodically pausing for many months to write a series in a different genre just isn't condusive to maintaining a large readership of a genre that reads power fantasy stories for consistent cultivation progress and regular dopamine-fueled thrills. Good luck in the future.

Zachary Scott

Yeah, that's one thing where lit-RPG is kind of unique. I think the basis as a web-serial format creates a different expectation for readers. I wasn't really trying to completely side-step that world, but I did give the consistent posting thing a chance while I could in the first 6-8 months or so. But then the money ran out and I had to just kind of do what I could and hope the Amazon launch would be a second shot that might go better.

Tyler Rushford

Honestly, its not sustainable to be trying to have so many projects in the works while also trying to publish the series. Take the time that you need. Plus a break from L1G might help with books 4 and 5. Is it a bummer, a little bit just because I really enjoyed the first 2. But I can live.

Zachary Scott

Thanks, Tyler. And yeah, I really never intended to be juggling two projects. Without typing a novel's worth of detail... basically, I was hoping to turn lit-RPG into my full-time writing job after writing full-time in romance for about 9 years. I tried to write a couple romances on the side after starting L1G to keep the funds up while I was giving this a shot. Those struggled, so I took a gamble and wrote a romantasy for the first time. That ended up blowing up to the point where I would be kind of insane to ignore it. All that said... if, by some stroke of luck, L1G does start picking up word of mouth at any point I'm ready to jump back in and write it. I just need to see some stronger signs of life before I can commit to that. And for what it's worth, book 3 is already written so that one will still come out. It's book 4 and beyond that are in question.

Bayoushaman

Any update on book 4 viability? I'm almost done with book 3.

Zachary Scott

Hey David! Current outlook is kind of grim to be honest. It doesn't seem like the series has kind of hit that point where people want to talk about and share it online, which is probably what it'd take to get things rolling. I still stubbornly think if fans of the genre stumbled into book 1 they'd end up enjoying the series, but my tools to make that happen are really limited. Basically, I can cross my fingers that some miraculous wave of word of mouth hits where people want to tell friends about the series and it grows from there. So far, that hasn't happened (shocker, haha). The other two options would be: 1) Keep writing more books in the series and hope the thing that hasn't happened yet will suddenly happen on book 4, 5, 6, etc. While I think it's a non-zero chance, but probably very close to zero, that option also means continuing to work full time and essentially get paid something like $1.50 an hour for years. Since I'm the breadwinner for my family, I definitely can't afford to do that. 2) Try writing a fresh lit RPG series using what I learned from my mistakes in L1G. If it does gain popularity, it'll inevitably lead more people to Level One God than writing more books of L1G would. In that scenario, I'd be able to eventually continue L1G. So for me, #2 is kind of the most tempting option. But I'm currently wrapped up in obligations with my romantasy publisher and trying to get those finished. Once I've finished this romantasy book and the edits I'm working on, I'm going to take a look at the situation and try to decide what makes sense for me and where my excitement is leading me. I'll absolutely keep you guys posted, though, and let you know if something changes. Zack

Michael Garn

One of my favorite series on KU and RR; hoping book 4 (and more?!) are able to be viable eventually!

Sean Patrick Goodman

Hello, new here. Just burned through books 1-3. I'm here for it, so I hope you keep going. I love the series and think it has the potential to rival a couple other authors I enjoy. Please keep going!

Drason

Love this series. And the story thus far. I stepped over to Patreon so I could check the progress on book 4 and when I could expect it. I love the pacing and you chose a really good audible guy, with a great range for voice flavors. I’m not sure what Kindle’s algorithm is for popping this into the LitRpg feed, but when I happened on the book in the first place it was buried pretty deep. I think you’ll get many more hits if we can figure out how to Blood Rage the algorithm a bit. Thanks for the story, keep writing!