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I had some people reporting secondary peaks they could detect which I definitely didn't get so far, but I wanted to try out what would happen if I used other tips for the Free Pro 2 (this should also apply to the Free Pro of course). The great thing with the Free Pro 2 is that you basically have just one single peak that you need to detect. If you use the default tips I can predict the results you will be getting just by knowing your main resonance. Here you can see a raw measurement in grey and the tuned result in black with the default tips:

With the old Earfun Free tips which are quite similar in design and shape the results would be not that different, even slightly smoother overall, but they will already change the balance quite a bit:

Sony MH1 tips will offer completely different results and the secondary peak is cearly noticeable and also hearable with the raw measurement, the tuned result like this would sound just horrible:

I had 2 different types of Spinfit tips (please don't ask me which model exactly as I do not remember), but also those affect the sound to an unusale degree and the secondary peak is also visible and hearable here although to a lesser degree. The tuned sound would again sound different with too much emphasis at 8Khz, not even talking about upper treble which will sound completely different.

The same goes with my other pair of Spinfit tips, also they will offer something completely different and far worse sounding:

Foam-tips have a similar tendency like the Spinfit tips above, but everything will be smoothend out, still the final result won't resemble my original tuning in any way.

Keep in mind that I can only offer valid results to you if you use the original included tips of the Free Pro or Free Pro 2, as soon as you switch to other tips you will get a completely different sound and all my effort to offer everyone exactly the same sound was for the birds. 

Here another graph of the Free Pro 2 raw response measured with various types of tips but at the same resonance of 7k (insertion depth will of course be different depending on the tip), you can see that despite the same resonance the upper harmonics vary too much not only in amplitute but also in position between different tips:

I could offer a custom tuning service for your given desired tips and your exact ear canal resonance, but I would need to get exactly the same tips somewhere or would need your tips to be sent to me. Of course I cannot do this for free as the effort would be enormous. I need to create a completely new EQ setting just for you with the given paramters. If there is interest I can think about this maybe for a high-end level, please let me know so that we can talk about the details, etc.

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ᗩᗰIGᗩ 500

Mark (Miniklangwunder) hat mir die Beyerdynamics Xelento-Tips empfohlen, die funktionieren für mich prächtig mit sehr vielen IEM. Foam tips dämpfen und verfälschen zu sehr, und viele Silikontips sind schlicht zu starr, so auch SpinFit und AZLA. Grundsätzlich jedoch sind die beiliegenden Herstellertips bzgl. Öffnungsdurchmesser und Bautiefe schon auf die jeweiligen TWS "zugeschnitten". Selbst wenn andere Tips oftmals besser im Ohr sitzen, wird der Klang oft negativ beeinflusst. just my 2 cents... 🙋🏻‍♂️

oluvsgadgets

Die Xelento Tips muss ich mal probieren bei Gelegenheit auch um selbst zu testen was genau die machen

Pieter Algra

Thanks Olaf, so, which eartips would you prefer and recommend for the Free Pro 2 with your latest tuning? The Free Pro’s or the Free Pro 2’s?

Pieter Algra

But you are showing above in the first two picture there is a slightly difference?

oluvsgadgets

This was the old Earfun Free from some years ago: the first one I collaborated with Earfun which became a desaster tboguh

Pieter Algra

Aah ok, i understand. Thank you

ᗩᗰIGᗩ 500

Die machen eigentlich nichts, das ist der klangliche Vorteil. Die sind ergonomisch geformt, aus sehr weichem Material, und beeinflussen den Klang nicht negativ. Die Öffnung ist bei den Sonys viel zu klein, das verändert den Klang enorm. Vermutung meinerseits: So wie das Volumen des Ohrkanals maßgeblich am Resonanzwert beteiligt ist, so sehr beeinflusst das verringerte Volumen des geringen Querschnitts der Sony-Tips die Resonanz. Das ist , als wenn man einen Wasserschlauch abknickt, oder anderweitig den Querschnitt und somit den Durchfluss verringert. Mein Indikator für Tips im Allgemeinen ist, dass der inner Öffnungsdurchmesser der Tipps den Durchmesser der "Nozzle" Öffnung (Gitteröffnung) nicht wesentlich unterschreiten sollte. Die Spinfit sind "flexibel" , ich vermute dass das das Problem ist, der Kanal ist am flexiblen Punkt (nennen wir es mal Gelenk) gebogen/ geknickt, sobald man sie ins Ohr setzt. Deswegen klingen die tieferen SpinFit auch anders als die flacheren, da psielt auch wieder das Volumen (Querschnitt und Länge des Tip-Kanals) zusammen... Wenn man anatomisch gesehen "keine einfachen" Ohren hat, experimentiert man zwangsläufig viel herum, oder man cancelt das Thema InEars. Ich hab jetzt bei den Xelentos links Größe L, rechts Größe M. Kein billiger Spaß, aber ich bin mit so ziemlich allen Tipps am Markt entweder anatomsich oder klanglich gescheitert. Die EarFun Tipps passen klanglich immer recht gut zum jeweiligen Modell, aber sie halten bei mir nicht gut im Ohr, egal welche Größe.

oluvsgadgets

Mit Tips werde ich noch genug zu tun haben wenn ich dann mein „eigenes Produkt“ auf den Markt bringe, da soll das tuning dann über Tips an die gegebenen Ohrkanalresonanzen angepasst werden. Wird sicher lustig…

ᗩᗰIGᗩ 500

Resonanztest einfach mit den Tips durchführen, die man benutzen will/ kann / muss... ? Würde nach Möglichkeit immer beim Herstellertip bleiben, Alternativen passen oft besser, klingen aber meist schlechter.

oluvsgadgets

Funktioniert eben nicht da unterschiedliche Tips auch oberhalb der Resonanz abweichen. Ich will einen einheitlichen Tip verwenden der nur die Distanz zum Treiber anpasst. Aber zuerst muss ich mal das sample aus China bekommen, hängt wieder mal beim Zoll

JB6789

Is there a particular reason why the Earfun Free Pro V1's and V2's are particularly amendable to EQ adjustment using AirReps15 6x? Just curious, as I was trying to play with using this app for the KZ AZ09 Pro (BT5.2 Aptx HD earloops) paired with TinT3+ IEM's, but had no success with the app connecting to the BT5.2 earloops. Any insights appreciated.

oluvsgadgets

The chipset inside the Free Pro is from Airoha

Douwe de Vries

Only earbuds with the Airhora chipset work with the app if the eq presets are also unlocked in the firmware. With the Earfun it is. I have other buds with the same chip, but those don't have the eq slots enabled. It works for some airpods clones as well. The Airreps app was originally made for airpods clone buds.

ᗩᗰIGᗩ 500

@Douwe: I tried to setup my Tribit FlyBuds 3 because they have a Airoha-Chip. But you say it completely right: EQ has to be unlocked and obviously Tribit didn't. Pretty uncool, because they fit perfectly in my ears but the sound setting is not good.

And

This channel seems to be turning into Earfun. I'm not interested in them at all.

Malcolm Herron

Thanks for this post Oluv. Sorry for the delayed comment. Very interesting how the various tips affect the sound. To me the only tip variables are depth of insertion, the completeness of the seal in the ear canal, and maybe the diameter of the tip opening at the ear canal. The default Earfun tips have quite a wide opening compared to some others.

JB6789

It's logical. If you have a better platform (considering price, functions, quality) that uses the AirHora chipset (allowing for AirReps15 6x custom tunings) AND with firmware that is sufficiently unlocked to perform the tuning, then go ahead and propose. Of course, you would have to be on your own insofar as devoting the time and resources to perfect tuning across a range of resonant frequencies. Crickets?