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I want to apologise, but I won't manage to finalise the current Free Pro 2 tuning with all resonance frequenices for February. I was fighting to optimise the settings since RC2 but it will take even more effort to finish everything. Meanwhile I got several messages asking if there was a way to revert to the default factory tuning. Therefore I prepared a very quick and rough setting, which should simulate the original response of the Free Pro 2 more or less. This setting is purely based on measurements, I haven't even listened to the result, but the measurements are close enough I would say. Black is the original tuning measured with a new unit which I just opened, while blue is the simulated tuning measured with my reference unit:

This took me about half an hour to prepare and was not such an effort:

On the other hand creating a tuning which should really sound "correct" without added colorations is way more effort, therefore let me explain why:

My reference is pink noise listened over various sources. I am trying to recreate the perceived spectrum as a whole, which already is not that simple just by listening. The human ear will quickly adopt to small errors which makes frequency matching a trial&error procedure. On top of this due to its complex spectrum pink noise obviously tends to create artefacts when listened over my PC, probably a result of the Bluetooth codec. Sometimes it's worse, other times better, but it's hard to judge the result properly, therefore I need to transfer my latest settings into the Airoha app on my Android phone where pink noise will suddenly again sound different. My Android phone is quite ancient and it causes repeated Bluetooth cut outs, which again changes the timbre every time this happens, therefore I still cannot judge the sound correctly and need to finally listen over my iPhone to really hear the correct result of my latest settings. If I am somehow satisfied I need to let this setting settle and usually listen to it for a day or two until I may notice some further issues and need to get back to my PC again and work from there readjusting the settings accordingly still hopefully remembering what issue I was hearing on my iPhone which played back over the PC will again sound different. It's quite an exhausting procedure as I try to finetune for the smallest detail to have the most correct result possible. Sometimes I need to add additional filters to correct for the flaws I am hearing. Then I measure the result and try to recreate that response with only the 10 available filters. As all filters interfere with each other, adjusting one filter, will affect the others too, this makes the entire procedure even more complicated. Only if I personally manage a result which I think is valid, I can measure the final response to get a reference curve which hopefully is correct and which I can use as base for creating all further tunings for the other resonance frequencies.  I usually tune with a "reference unit" which has a quite consistent response for left and right, but I also try out my latest settings on my other units to notice that there are again some issues and I will try to find values which will offer a better result among the other units as well still hoping that it will sound also OK on my reference unit. It's a painfully frustrating experience since I started all my tuning work, and I am starting to question everything, but at the same time I have the impression as if the results were becoming better and better and I think it's definitely worth the effort.

I made some progress since RC2 and the resulting graph became even more "simple" than it was before, suggesting that I am on the right path. The 7k dip became a part of the final response and is not a real dip anymore. The correct ratio between different frequencies seems to be the secret, but I still haven't figured out how exactly I need to proceed to get the desired effect as I am still reyling mostly on my ear and only measure if I think the current setting may be "correct" to some degree. 

I wanted to show you a measurement of the current status in black compared to RC2 in blue and my original neutral tuning in green:

They do not differ that much from the graph, but actually the correct ratio between upper mids and treble is crucial to make the result sound "correct". All of these settings do not sound bad, but I try to really achieve a neutral and uncolored representation which will help to offer you also a valid sound for my upcoming binaural recordings. "Neutral" may not be to everyone's taste, but I think it's the most important tuning and a starting point for any further sound modelling approaches.

When sweeping throughout the frequency range I get a more constant amplitude now with only small variations at 6,7,9khz. I am still trying to get this as smooth and correct as possible, and without continuous comparisons to my references the result may drift into some wrong direction. I have another several dozens of variants in the meantime since I started "newtral".

Another big issue is that the measuring couplers were never designed to measure an average human ear canal correctly. They were designed with hearing aids in mind which are usually inserted way deeper, thus resonances like 8-13khz are achieved. 13Khz is regarded as "standard" for a IEC711 coupler, but IEMs with a more shallow insertion create resonances at way lower frequencies, which the couplers obviouisly do not measure properly. Not only the measured bass amount is wrong but also the amount of mids will change depending on the insertion depth and I have no idea how to deal with this. 

Below is a measurement of my latest setting shown with a 6khz resonance in black and inserted deeper to 7khz in blue just adjusting the 6K filter to 7K leaving everything else the same. You can see that the entire response changed, not only bass is lower now and is probably measured more correctly with the 7K resonance, but mids became lower in amplitude as well. With 6K I am above the Harman target, while with 7K and the same settings I am below the target. I have no idea if the 7K measurement shows this range more correctly or if it needs to be adjusted to the same level as the 6K measurement to be perceived the same sounding.

All this is very vague and shady, and if I fool around for days to find a setting which I regard as "neutral" which hardly differs from my previous settings in a measurement, but then look at all the weird responses from IEMs that cost several 1000$ which all look completely different, as if they were painted by random, I simply cannot understand this entire craziness:

I will need some further days to tweak my final "newtral" settings, which hopefully will work well among other units as well. I am also planning to rebuild my filter values as the current setting results in quite a low output volume, but I will also need your help, preferrably from some trained ears with higher earcanal resonances than mine, who can help sorting out the measuring issues I pointed out above, only then I can start my work on all the other settings for different ear canal resonances, but then we will hopefully achieve a "reference" tuning which  should also satisfy more demanding listeners.

I wanted to thank you all for your continuous support, although I am slowly getting tired of all this, I am still confident to achieve something particular.

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ᗩᗰIGᗩ 500

Alles Gute braucht seine Zeit; es braucht so lange, wie es eben braucht. In Stress und Hektik gedeiht selten was Vernünftiges. 🙋🏻‍♂️

Michał

I've been listening to earfun free pro 2's with 7650hz neutral tuning for over a 2-3 weeks now, and to etymotic er2se for about a week and must say - I can't wait for your etymotic tuning, I would describe earfun's as V-shaped compared to etymotic's. They really have this nice thump in bass and resolving treble - both of them sound spectacular, It's really amazing to have both such unique tunings at disposal, looking forward to seeing this tuning ( although I know It may take many months to create it )

Simon Langford

As I have two different resonance frequencies left (7250Hz) and right (6150Hz) I might be able to help you with understanding the differences in the measurements you mentioned. As I described when I posted my user settings, I perceived your neutral EQs for the corresponding frequency on each ear quite differently. Tuning my left unit for 7250Hz simply by listening to your EQ on the right ear resulted in a significantly different tuning. I haven’t tried simply using your EQ for 6000Hz on both ears and only adjusting the filter for the resonance frequency on my left unit. I will do that soon and let you know how I perceive it compared to all the other EQs I mentioned above.

D. Oeltermann

Take your time to get closer to the tuning which satisfies you. In the meantime I will definetely NOT return to the factory tuning of the FreePro2. This tuning is horrible with so many colorations. Still the neutral tuning is kind of reference for me. I have three units, all three with some differences in sound. So I use „neutral“ as the basic setup and adjust it slightly to get the units on same sound level. Takes me some time, but I am very satisfied with the result. 👍🏼

jojo

You can See the factory Tuning in an empty eq Slot in the aiora App. When you changed the Tuning in all Slots, the factory is lost. Thats exactly what ive done. When sb. Have the rough Tuning, of the free pro and the free pro 2 please Post it.

Marius Socaci

You call the factory tuning the raw response of the drivers which is an empty eq slot with all ten filters set to 0 gain in Airoha app? If yes, the EFFP 2 does not sound out of the box like the factory tuning. Out of the box they sound like that factory tuning with the 5 bands eq posted here by Oluv applied.

Simon Langford

I’ve spent some time comparing the RC2 tuning for my left and right ear, only adjusting the resonance frequency to 6150 and 7200Hz respectively to match each ear. First of all, how did I compare the perceived sound between left (7200Hz) and right (6150Hz)? I listened to single sine tones in steps of 250Hz all the way up to 16.5kHz, always switching between left and right to determine which one was louder at that particular frequency. Here are my findings: Below 2500Hz: Both sound the same. I couldn’t find any (noticeable) differences at any of the frequencies in this range. 2750-5250Hz: Left (7200Hz resonance) slightly and quite consistently louder throughout the whole range. Interestingly this coincides exactly with the difference in your measurements Oluv, but the other way round (your 6k measurement was louder than 7k?)? 5500-8250Hz: Both quite similar apart from the frequencies around the resonances 6000-6250Hz & 7000-7500Hz where left (7200Hz) was a little louder for these frequencies. 8500-9000Hz: Left (7200Hz) much louder, with a peak at 8750Hz where the right (6150Hz) already rolls off into the dip at 9250Hz 9250Hz-10kHz: Both similar 10250-11500Hz: Left (7200Hz) louder. The peak you measured in this range extends to higher frequencies with the loudest frequency I perceived at 11kHz, whereas the right (6150Hz) starts to roll off earlier. Again, this coincides with your measurement Oluv, but the other way round? 11750-12250Hz: Both quite similar, but the left tends to be a little louder. 12500-13750Hz: Left (7200Hz) significantly louder throughout the whole range with the biggest difference perceived at 13500Hz. 14-15kHz: Both quite similar. 15250-16500Hz: Left (7200Hz) significantly louder, especially from 15750Hz and higher. Overall when listening to music the left one (7200Hz) sounds brighter and much harsher with vocals being much more present and emphasized than the right one (6150Hz). I hope this was useful information for your tuning process Oluv. Let me know what you think!

oluvsgadgets

Forget RC2, completely new reference tuning will be coming soon

Simon Langford

:D Looking forward! Let me know if you think such a comparison would be useful for you with the new tuning.

Simon Langford

I get similar vibes as in Formula 1 a few years ago, where they kept introducing softer tyre compounds. They started with "soft" being the softest and over time introduced Super-soft, Ultra-soft and Hyper-soft afterwards. Maybe you can use that convention for your next, Super-Neutral tuning? :D

oluvsgadgets

I won’t call it “neutral” as it’s extremely hard to guarantee that it’s in fact neutral, as it will always be some question of how neutral is interpreted, but as I will equalize my upcoming recordings towards this target I want to call it reference simply that people know they will get a more or less correct and realistic result when listening to my recordings with this tuning.