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Bloodcrown update 2023-02-01

  • cerene_ai_01 179
  • cerene_ai_02 91
  • cerene_ai_03 140
  • cerene_ai_04 81
  • cerene_ai_05 227
  • None of the above 31
  • I hate AI 69
  • 2023-02-01
  • —2023-03-08
  • 818 votes
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Hi everyone, we've got a general update and poll for you this week. First of all, on the production side of Bloodcrown, we're working out several technical hurdles including rig adjustments and changes, the new interior, lighting and rendering. We are also working on the guard who's going to be animated and will participate in the intro as well as all the enhancements to the main characters. A little slow in terms of tangible media, but we're seeing good progress and what I'm hoping to do over the next months is post bits and pieces as they become available.

The other thing I've been experimenting with is AI art.

So let's talk about it. Is it the most contentious topic today? Yes, it is!

Are the opinions divided? Yes, they are!

For artists who are still putting out still images, which includes me, the initial reaction is often two-fold: 

First, will my art be copied and stolen, and second, will I be replaced by a horde of armchair artists churning out top tier 3dx at the press of a button and a couple of half-arsed prompts?

My take differs from the anti-ai norm, from the point of view of a 3dx artist only. The lesser accessibility of NSFW content through mainstream AI sites like mid journey, makes it more difficult to generate and technically more complex. I think it may take a year for the tools to become sophisticated enough for the average person to generate their own porn, but good 3dx artists will therefore have an advantage in the short-term, in terms of maintaining their own style and pushing the boundaries. But eventually, AI will learn these styles and even generate animation. So the 3dx artist needs to evolve. In the short-term by using AI to enhance their own art like generating quick changes to a pose, outfits, lighting, style, etc. Secondly, leveling up their output from stills to animation and games. One area that AI won't touch for a good number of years is games, imo.

So in my first attempt at understanding AI, I've tried to train an AI model on Cerene. Please, therefore, find the first few samples attached covering various styles and levels of realism. As you can tell the results aren't quite there yet. I think 1 and 4 are closest so far at maybe 50% likeness, but we have ways to go. 

Individually the art is great, but it's not until there's stylistic consistency and likeness of the bloodlust characters that we have a working model. Also, dick girls and sex are complicated, so that's something we need to figure out. Personally, the styles I like range from realistic stylized to semi-realistic. 

In the poll below vote on the styles you like. What I'd like to do first is enhance the stills we put out and, second, test creating a comic, exploring the bloodlust back story. Back in the day, I was in talks with Dmytris to create a comic, which never happened, I'd like to try this again using AI. Let me know your thoughts in the comments below :)

To be clear AI is a tool that I want to experiment with and make use of, it's not going to take over production in any way. 

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Futa Lord

I hate 5. The face on 1 is hideous. 2 is one I probably like overall the best, though 3 also looks really nice. 4 is definitely the closest to actually looking like Cerene though. So if it's going to be for some Cerene backstory thing I'd go with that one. Though tbh hiring Dmitrys to do it sounds like it'd produce a way better result.

ForeShadow

If there is an option to hire an artist, hire an artist. All of these have slight problems, but they're all also so...generic. They look like every other AI generated image I've seen. There's no personality or individuality to any of these, in my opinion.

GreyWolf

absolutely nr. 01 and 02. The others are going tomuch into the direction of manga and/or hentai. For me, there is a important difference between hentai and 3D animation. That's actually the main reason why I am such a fan of your work. It has a very genuin take on 3DX animation. I hope you will stick with that...

Affect3D - miro

Thanks for your input. Just to be clear, we are not saying we want to replace our collabs and artists with AI. By no means, IF we ever were to use AI, it would mostly be to help streamline process and free up artists' time for more animation or complex scenes. Thanks - James

Sampaguita

None are really good, but I dislike 1 and 2 the most, as they both really point out all the little details I really dislike on AI image generation (and I experiment with those for over a year now). I can see the point, of saying 3-5 is too similar to a manga look, but imho 3 still looks best (to me).

Kinky Glenn

What about the option of liking them all? 🤷🏻‍♂️✔️

IBT

As a tool to INSPIRE an (actual) artist, AI can have a role. As a tool to REPLACE an (actual) artist ... behave yourself. > I think it may take a year for the tools to become sophisticated enough for the average person to generate their own porn In which case ... the clock is ticking on you miro. Your window of opportunity to release Bloodcrown (to any useful effect/sales) is visibly starting to close. Might want to finish up before AI surpasses you ...

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2026-09-05 13:00 A broad range of reviews. I enjoy the realism of 4 and 5. They do not as you stated represent a true copy of our girl but I would enjoy art done with either. You are correct in that the artist has to evolve to be a part of the future medium. That can for some be truly painful and I would regret the loss of their originality and their working efforts.
2023-02-01 13:35

MelancholyDane

I would say none of the above because I want to see the loooong Cerene who sucked her own in hands-free manner!

Greg

5 may be the most popular by votes (as of this comment), but it looks like the outlier to me. The other 4 look more like concept art for a Korean MMO. My vote went to 4 but I am fine with any of the first 4.

Cjam

While i agree none do a great job of replicating Cerene.. they’re all pretty damn good looking characters. I agree with the sentiment of trying to us ai to enhance your craft. At worst, you waste some time.. but it could give you some great results or new inspirations.

Vices

AI can't do futa well, so I don't see the added value. Also I'm concerned that this will replace hiring other artists to generate content for this Patreon.

Paul Guise

The AI versions are interesting, with number 1 being the frontrunner for me, however all of them look too cutesy from what we've come to expect from Cerene.

TheGreatCornholio

Not really Bloodlust update now, is it? I mean no concrete info and a discussion on another subject. 'We're working on stuff and we're having some issues'. Awesome amount of info for the intro of a project in the works since 2018. What exactly do you mean by the 'intro'? Does it include anything besides Lanessa and Sophia walking towards Cerene and the three of them talking? Where does the soldier fit int? Or is the work already done on those scenes scrapped? AI, huh? The patreon of collabs is now becoming the patreon of AI art. Can you people do any less work yourself? I kid, I kid of course :D... Honestly if you could get AI to generate consistent art in your style that would be something, and you would be in your right to just keep training the neural network and put your feet up, but I think we're far away from that for the moment, especially when it comes to consistency in animation. I don't really like any of them tbh, mostly because of the little annoying stuff that AI generation adds, but in style and looks I think number 1 is by far the best. Everything else looks way too anime or Korean MMO and it would be sad to see you lose even your style in this content.

Grayve

They all look a little to cute and anime style to me... They don't look like Cerene. That said, I don't mind AI art, but I am NOT really interested in head shots/outfit shots/poses. I Want to see Futa on Futa action, sucking, fucking, stroking, fondling each other, kissing, etc. So since AI can't really do that, I'm not really interested. I want 'action scenes' not face and body stills.

Annaadri

Interesting take by an artist. Not sure I'd agree with it, but I suppose that you do have to adapt to the world you inhabit, not the one you'd like to. Your idea of using AI to make comics is... interesting, at least if it actually works. Of these images, 1 is the only one that I feel properly captures who Cerene is to me. 5 is not bad, and maybe works for her in her modern/future iterations, but I feel like 1 is the only one that has the sort of power/menace to it that she exhibited when she was first introduced.

Kyla

lets not be doing this... AI isn't it, to me using it as potential concept ideas sure though making any form of content using it.... nah no way, if it get's to the point where you can AI prompt stuff with general ease and get fairly accurate results consistently more so than now... why would people pay for content when they can just use some existing stuff and make their own AI is cool and here to stay, however to me it should stick in the concept art/final art of X outfit or characters then yeah it's a great tool to expedite a vision. Though why we're even looking into this atm.... this very thing will impact your company highly unlikely for the better in the coming years, why support this.

Affect3D - miro

right, as I said my post, from a 3dx artist's perspective need to find a consistent style that reflects your characters well, to circumvent the 'generic' look... then it becomes workable

Affect3D - miro

out of interest and as an ai noob, what are those details you dislike?

Affect3D - miro

I'm referring to still images there, I think animation may take a year longer, lol... but yeah I don't think we can roll back ai, so as I said it's time for artists to evolve... but I don't mind change, so I'm looking forward to what we can do with the new tech

Affect3D - miro

actually 4 and 5 are the least realistic, heh, but I think I know what you mean for "anime" they're on the realistic side... yes, can't stop progress, so best to use the tools for good vs crying in a corner, imo

Affect3D - miro

dick girls and sex are tricky in ai so far, outside of generic sex... so once we solve that issue, it will become a lot more useful

Affect3D - miro

right, the likeness needs work, ai seems to be really good at anime and photogrphic, gets a little confused with semi realistic 3d based characters like mine, but will figure it out soon I think

Affect3D - miro

right, that's one of the primary points of contention... if ai is going to be useful it needs to be able render cerene's dick well :) ... so far the output is pretty generic, but how does it handle my specific style like huge girl dicks? let's see if we can train ai to achieve this and no it won't replace 3d artists for what we have planned

Affect3D - miro

I will explain what we've worked on, but will keep it short, because it's not interesting at this point, so as I said, I'll just post interesting media as it becomes available... the intro is being expanded a little with Lanessa, Sophia and some guards walking up to the entrance of the castle I don't think ai is read for animation yet, maybe in a year or 2, but it's good for image based work, like still images, image sets, comics, visual novels, etc and yes the goal is to train it on my characters and style specifically, that's how ai can help rather than hinder I think I'll end up creating 2 styles that are my favorites, the first a semi realistic style like 1-3 and a second that's realistic stylized like 4 & 5, and yes the styles needs to be consistent in fidelity, lighting, character design, etc... to side step the generic ai trap

Affect3D - miro

yes, nice outfits, poses, scenes, etc is the easy part... but can it generate huge dicks and intense sex in my specific style, that's the big question... we're about to find out...

Affect3D - miro

every new tech comes with pros and cons, I think the pros can outweigh the cons in this case, if applied correctly... even from the artist perspective my comic idea is a first answer, let's see how it works out

IBT

> the intro is being expanded a little with Lanessa, Sophia and some guards walking up to the entrance of the castle Whoa whoa whoa ... hold it right there, buster! Why would there be ANY exterior shots of the location in the intro ... other than as establishing shots for the location (like Tristan walking up to Cerene's ruined cathedral)? What USEFUL information does such an establishing shot tell us BEFORE Lanessa and Sophia walk in on Cerene? I ask this because ... wouldn't it be better to reveal the exterior of the building in a pull away shot before rolling credits? Why do the exterior reveal up front? I'm just thinking that you would be far better served to make Cerene the FOCUS at the opening ... the state she's in (aroused, but not out of control, restrained, in a large room under guard) ... and then just let Lanessa and Sophia walk in on Cerene. So you basically have the Throne Room, moonlight streaming in through the windows and the sound of the wind blowing outside ... plus the sound of Cerene's (sexy) breathing as she waits for her tormentors to arrive. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED! Save the reveal for the building exterior for later on, to put context around where Cerene is being held. Don't do it first thing and waste the suspense!

IBT

So ... AI can't replace you YET ... but you're determined to hasten the day when it can (and will) ...? Are you SURE you've thought this through adequately, miro?

Affect3D - miro

yes, that's the big question from an artist's perspective in my opinion two main uses, first enhance your current renders with inpainting, second evolve your still images to themed image sets, comics, visual novels... these still require a creative mind to assemble in a consistent, cohesive style, that breaks new ground and fans will be willing to pay for these... long term I think games is the holy grail for artists

generic genetics

AI generated images seem to be useful mostly for generalised versions of work or concepts a nice easy way of seeing a character in a new outfit or setting, but from all the examples I've ever seen it it lacks the subtly to add just the right details that we know Miro loves. Also without even going into the trouble of generating something as complex as a comic the AI still struggle with simple shots with things like hands that's pretty evident in all the images that show them here, so it would probably still need an artist to dive into the image and fix issues like that which are far too glaring to ignore. For me personally when I first saw the images I thought they looked great, if a bit generic, then I noticed stuff like the weird hands, the pupil in the eyes in some isn't quite there and in 04 Cerene seems to have a blue tongue. A pipe dream tool would be to use and existing model or models with an AI that you could feed prompts, setting and acts to for it to play around with, though that's well out of the realms of reality. On the subject of getting character backstories if that's the aim for a comic, have you ever thought of doing an audio play project? maybe with few stills. Might not be too hard to script out and I'm sure we'd all like to hear any of the great voice VA's again.

Charles Westfall

While any one them would be a huge style departure, I thought 3 was the closest of the lot. 1 has some merits, but I had issues with the face, maybe it was the shadowing, but the cheekbones came off looking weird.

ArtilleryVoice

I like them all, but No.1 is more like a 3D than the others.

T. Naka

I like #1's body, but #3's face...

Affect3D - miro

you can't put ai back in the bottle and artist can actually make the most use of the tech cause they can enhance and finetune a cohesive style and broaden the horizons, if you're going to spend the time to do all these things with ai, you may as well call yourself an artists since it's not trival to do... programmers actually benefit the most from chatgbt spitting out bits of code, a normie wouldn't know what to do with it

Affect3D - miro

exterior sets the scene, gives overall impression of the style, theme, characters, setting and scale we're dealing with and puts the interior scenes into context

TheGreatCornholio

Thx for the details. Walking up to the entrance implies they're on the outside. Are the girls going to be just in their sex-wear (leather straps for Lanessa and the chain for Sophia) we've seen so far? Or are they going to have something more elaborate like Cerene's initial get up? I'm asking because having actual 'clothes' and loosing them as the action gets heated is very hot. Will this scene just be a fly-by or will it have close-ups and maybe some dialogue? If there are any close-ups it would make double sense to have the girls have 'clothes' and not be directly with their dicks, tits, asses and pussies out. Will the guards just be copies of each other?

IBT

> exterior sets the scene Uh, the interior of the throne room does (and ought to be doing) that. > overall impression of the style It's a miro sequel. We already KNOW the style. > theme It's Bloodlust. The theme is DG Porn. > characters Cerene, Lanessa, Sophia ... plus faceless minions in the background. > setting and scale we're dealing with miro ... seriously ... the only setting that matters, because you're going to be spending almost all your time there ... is the throne room (because Cerene is there and going to be fucked A LOT in there). Everything else is window dressing. > and puts the interior scenes into context So ... you're going to pull a Seed of Rebirth Part 1 again, because Learning From Mistakes Is Hard?

hoped1988

What would you do if I would using a AI to create my own Cerene content with it and make money with it?

socc j fort

your real models are 1 million times better than the ai, its not even close

JackGrimm

they all look amazing. ai_02 would have won if the hair was shorter and color of eyes were blue or bright red like saber from Fate. whatever art you want to use will be amazing.

Drucifer

What AI tool are you using?

Lee A Osborne

To be honest a lot of the artwork is pretty good. But I agree that number 5 is going to win this

Oleksandr

Girlfriends 4 ever and bloodcrown cerene. It is only 2 movies. Best worldwide anime. I hope in next 5-10 years will be next one movie.

Futa3Dprints

I like this style of artwork will we be seeing more of it soon?

Taki183

No. 1 is the best

Thiago

The number 5 remembers Alien Quest EVE