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Articles of Confederation - III: Finding Finances - Extra History (Patreon)

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2017-05-19 17:00:02
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 On the verge of financial collapse, the new US Congress cried out for a savior. Introducing... Robert Morris! 

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The Articles of Confederation - III: Finding Finances - Extra History

With the newly United States on the verge of bankruptcy, Congress reaches out to the most able financier in the nation: Robert Morris. His ambitious plans attract the aid of Alexander Hamilton, but fall to ruins when the states abandon him. Support us on Patreon! http://bit.ly/EHPatreon (--More below) Grab your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://bit.ly/ExtraStore Subscribe for new episodes every Saturday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC _________ Thanks for participating in this week's discussion! We want you to be aware of our community posting guidelines so that we can have high-quality conversations: https://goo.gl/HkzwQh Contribute community subtitles to Extra Credits: http://www.youtube.com/timedtext_cs_panel?c=UCCODtTcd5M1JavPCOr_Uydg&tab=2 ___________ Play games with us on Extra Play! http://bit.ly/WatchEXP Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Get our list of recommended games on Steam: http://bit.ly/ECCurator ____________ ♪ Get the intro music here! http://bit.ly/1EQA5N7 *Music by Demetori: http://bit.ly/1AaJG4H ♪ Get the outro music here! http://bit.ly/23isQfx *Music by Sean and Dean Kiner: http://bit.ly/1WdBhnm

Comments

Martin Verran

First Like and First Comment Three Times in a Row for this Series! Yaaaay!!! France Entered the American Revolutionary War on the Side of the United States looking to Weaken Britain and Avenge its Defeat in the Seven Years' War. Over a Billion Livres were spent by the French Financing the War, and, although they got the Revenge they wanted, the Country was also left with a Mountain of Debt and high Inflation, which would Trigger the Events leading up to the French Revolutionary War in 1789.

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>>5252809

Yeah, then when the government of France asked for help suppressing that revolution, the new United States of America was like "This is awkward, 'cause we kinda like revolutions. Uhm. We're neutral? Yeah, let's go with that. Neutral FTW!"

Amy Reynolds

Okay, I'm just gonna say that the animation in this one was PHENOMENAL! I love the EC version of the Hamilton musical poster, and the soldiers going all "SENPAI!" with Washington is something that I need a poster of, on my wall, right this very second. Bless you for an excellent episode!

Iain Docherty

I've got to say, I know it's been said before but my favourite thing about the American Revolution is that the French were so obsessed with fighting Britain (well, mainly England, but still) that they threw all their support behind the Americans without considering how that may lead to problems for them.

Aidan Forero

I feel bad for Morris. I have never heard of him before this (which is bad considering I'm American, no idea why my school didn't mention him) and he seemed to want the country to succeed, but that early days of the US were a disaster

Aidan Forero
>>5252809

Washington used the excuse of "We were allied with the King you guys just decapitated." While I disagree with that and feel like we owed France for their help, it was a smart way of getting out of helping them

schuyler

when is the next pod cast

Sean Sarff

Nobody ever really talks about this in our school system. We wonder why regimes that follow our footsteps fall apart like this and why ours didn't. But then we can see if it weren't for some 11th hour saves we could have become a military dictatorship.

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>>5254108

Morris and Dickinson were two people that I learned about through this series whom I came to like immensely, even though neither of them ever get any credit in standard US History courses. Fun fact that didn't make it into the series: Robert Morris's last act as Superintendent of Finance was to pay the soldiers out of his own pocket AGAIN to help defray the debts that were owed to them.

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>>5254610

You mean episode? Hunting for Bismarck 3 will be next Thursday at 8:30am Pacific, and Articles of Confederation 4 will be next Saturday (Friday for early access) at 10:00am Pacific!

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>>5255375

This is why George Washington's "Cincinnatus moment" - when he resigned rather than take control of the army and the government - will turn out to be so important. Even the King of England praised him for that.

Amy Reynolds

Teach them how to say goodbye...

eisprinzessin
>>5254108

It is a pleasure to support you. Being German I am looking forward to learn about Germany's history in the upcoming "Breakfast with Otto" series.

Jim McGeehin

Franklin making alliances: I see what you did there. It's hard to imagine in this day and age with the United States military being so large, but in the earlier days of the war and even into the 20th century, the shape of the United States armed forces was drastically different. The U.S.'s military model was a small core of disciplined regulars augmented by lare numbers of volunteers and, if necessary, conscriptees. In World War I, the U.S. army was only the 27th largest in the world. People who brought together volunteers would be given an officer's commission, as if you led the people to the recruting office, you led them in war. As you might imagine, this produced officers of varying degrees of quality. Teddy Roosevelt, leading his Rough Riders, was one such officer.

Herkles
>>5252809

There is also the fact that France got kind of ripped off in the treaty negotions at the Treaty of Paris that ended the war. For the American Ambassadors and diplomats were supposed to work hand in hand with the French allies. Naturally we did not do that, and thus the americans were able to get everything west of the applachians, when IMO that would be unlikely if the french weren't out played. But alas for the french they were out played.

Herkles
>>5254035

actually there were a couple of influential french ministers that tried to convince the king that this is bad for the finances. But the age old reason for war prevailed: it would be quick, it would be cheap, and it would bring glory.

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>>5256824

Teddy almost had this spot in the series line-up, but alas, he just narrowly lost the second poll.

Iain Docherty
>>5254035

I don't even mean the finances though, I mean the whole "overthrowing a tyrannical king" thing. George was not involved in government, Louis XVI was. He apparently didn't think he should be concerned about establishing that precedent

Vika

6:10 *Starts singing entire musical then comes back to watch the video*

Vika
>>5258480

But seriously, during all of this series "Valley Forge" keeps coming back to my head, specially Hamilton's letter to congress

Justin M.

Alexander Hamilton: he didn't waste his shot.

Justin M.

Honestly, that is my favorite George Washington moment: "I have not only grown grey, but almost blind, in service to my country." I get a little teary-eyed thinking about it...

Boonce

No mention of Haym Salomon?

Farzad Mansouri

Wow seriously wish this was taught in history class, it's way more interesting and engaging. Also that Senpai moment made me laugh so freaking hard. Also this just reinforced my disdain with all the "states rights" BS.

Martin Verran
>>5252809

@Herkles a Great many Factors went into why the French Revolution started when it did, but I'm not going to list all of them in case I ruin the Story when the French Revolution gets its own Extra History Series. @Extra Credits Soraya, is One the Person standing to the Right of Dan at the End of this Episode an Animated Version of you?

schuyler

when is the next q&a.

Jessica Cheeri
>>5254035

Must just have been the intensity of the historic animosity between Britain and France over the years and wars, because it does seem unlikely

Nessf
>>5252809

To the right of Dan appears to be a chalk board... I am almost entirely certain the animated people at the end of that episode are, from left to right, Lil (the artist for these episodes), Soraya (The writer for these episodes), and then Dan

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>>5260721

No mention of Sam Adams, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, or many other important folks either! We don't aim to hit everything, and I try specifically to keep the number of names and dates to a minimum so that people don't get overwhelmed with too much info. The hope is always that they will then go on to research and learn those extra details on their own!

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>>5261415

This was a fun one to research, because a lot of the early books I found tended to do the same thing - the Articles are less interesting, so they get skimmed over. Finding good sources for it was some fun detective work!

schuyler

what time will the next Q&A?

Bill Lemmond

Once again, wonderful work. ... But wasn't there also a Jacob Fugger, another very rich colonial, who helped fund the newly born US? I guess that will come up in the next "Lies."

Bill Lemmond

And thanks for including what may be Washington's single most powerful minute on Earth. He knew just what to say, because he had always been so straightforward with everyone. And with no children of his own, I'm guessing some of those officers saw that he had been a father to them.