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Great Northern War - II: A Good Plan - Extra History (Patreon)

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2017-08-25 17:00:01
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The wrath of Charles XII was now aimed directly at Poland-Lithuania. But their leader had a plan! ...A terrible plan. 

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Great Northern War - II: A Good Plan - Extra History

Augustus the Strong was determined to prove his might by defeated Charles XII on the battlefield. He gathered his Polish-Lithuanian forces, met the Swedes, and proceded to... lose. And lose. And lose. Then he got deposed and started a civil war which of course he also lost. Support us on Patreon! http://bit.ly/EHPatreon (--More below) Grab your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://bit.ly/ExtraStore Subscribe for new episodes every Saturday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC Play games with us on Extra Play! http://bit.ly/WatchEXP Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Get our list of recommended games on Steam: http://bit.ly/ECCurator ____________ ♪ Get the intro music here! http://bit.ly/1EQA5N7 *Music by Demetori: http://bit.ly/1AaJG4H ♫ Get the background music here! The Land of Vana'diel (Album): http://bit.ly/1t2OT9L *Music by Tweex ♪ Get the outro music here! http://bit.ly/23isQfx *Music by Sean and Dean Kiner: http://bit.ly/1WdBhnm

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Martin Verran

It's now 6:00 PM BST. In other Words same Upload Time as always. :-) Although this is EH's First Forray into Polish History I get the Impression things are not going to End Well for the Poles, Considering what Catherine the Great did to them at the End of her Series.

shadowscribble

I couldn't tell if you were serious with P-L wanting to lose. Waiting for them to pull the "you fool! That was my plan from the beginning!" And I thought I got it with the civil war; but no, they literally were trying and racking up fails.

Nessf

My sarcasm-meter seems to have broken.

Billy Henline

If I'm cutting through the sarcasm right, 'Keep Losing' translates to Poland-Lithuania kept mounting useless attack after useless attack with poor tactics.

Mikael

Thank you, I needed a laugh after this week :)

Jonathan Luoto
>>6869111

Well one of Augustus' problems was that he was not very powerful as Polish- Lithuanian king. Large parts of the aristocracy didn't like him, and the peasants, i.e. potential soldiers were tied to the aristocracy. Likewise the potential officers of course were the aristocracy itself and they didn't like Augustus very much.

Anonymous

Since they didn't cover him in the episode, now is a good opportunity to read about the life and times on Johann Patkul, as he pulled many of the strings that have been brought up, such as inspiring Augustus' plans in Livonia from episode 1, and brokering the alliance between Russia and Saxony/PLC. He really managed to get the wheels turning.

Bumble

And it would be in 1939 that the French took a page put of Poland's book and decided to...lose

Wesley Wu

If I were Charles, I think I would have just called it quits after capturing Krakow. That was some real spectacular losing.

Jim McGeehin

The Baltics were actually very useful for Peter, the ports there were much warmer than his ports on the White Sea, and any landing of troops across the Baltic would be much harder if Charles didn't have a friendly port to land them in. One of Charles's great problems was that his frantic pace caused trouble with supplies. The superior training and equipment of his troops were holding, but they can only go so far on half rations.

ExtraCredits
>>6873827

I'm not sure if there are plants to bring him up in Lies, but I'll mention the name to James to make sure he is aware of Patkul!

ExtraCredits
>>6876209

Yeah, I don't have to tell you that his rations are going to become a problem pret-ty soon here. ;)

Marcus Berg

Sweden stronk. *proud Swede* Passed tense, though.

Moarice
>>6869111

Looking at the Youtube comments, I think you guys are going to have to say this a lot in the Lies episode.

Ville Vuorela

*sigh* For all his victories, Charles XII is not looked upon very favorably in Finland today.

Paul Lenoue

Any chance you could make your little soldiers into meeples for gaming?

Times Chu

Charles XII was SO COOL! Spoiler: Because of the myth that he was protected by divine providence, it's often said that the shot that one day killed him was in fact not a bullet, but one of his own buttons, taken from his coat. The buttons were special, being from a king's coat, so of course the theft was recorded, but the button itself was never found... except for many years later, in the 20th century, a brass and lead button was found in the fields of Fredrikshald. A recent investigation found it bore the same DNA traces as the blood that still stains Charles XII's gloves.

Times Chu

Also, if you're interested in the Great Northern War and like Power Metal, you should absolutely check out the album "Carolus Rex" by Sabaton. It's my favorite album of all time and it's great.

Anonymous

I can't help but wonder when you're going to discuss the Caroleans, the soldiers that made Charles' victories possible. They were undoubtedly the most badass fighting force in Europe at the time.

Thornhenge

When you say that the Polish strategy was "Just Keep Losing", joking aside, what does that mean? The King thought he could wear out the Swedish forces if he just kept engaging them? He was just straight up terrible at tactics?

ExtraCredits
>>6885656

I can look up what meeples are (and have) but in what context would you use them for your gaming? Are there games that allow random Swedish meeples to be used as pieces?

Paul Lenoue
>>6885656

<a href="http://www.happymeeple.com/en/media/what-is-a-meeple/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.happymeeple.com/en/media/what-is-a-meeple/</a> I like your simplified yet easily identified design for soldiers using a wide base and finger-friendly body for easy moving around the playing board. Much better than traditional meeples, studier than cardboard miniatures, easier to work with than more detailed metal miniatures, and more flexible to paint custom features, like robotic prosthetics, pirate hooks, ninja masks, steampunk stuff, etc. Not to mention each meeple having the same head dimensions allow for 3D printing of custom hats in large batches. I design a lot of games and meeples in the shape of your soldiers would make for a great addition. Besides, what game _wouldn't_ be improved by random Swedish army meeples showing up.

ExtraCredits
>>6885656

Your last point is the one that truly convinces me. I'll look into production and see what we can do! Heaven knows I love those little soldiers friends as well.

Bill Lemmond

I realize the story of so mny people is going to be too complicated for such a brief, simplified format, so I don't expect more as to why the numerically inferior Swedes were so regularly winning. It's still something to kknow that for years, Sweden was dominant. And maybe that's why they were left alone in two world wars.