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Korea: Admiral Yi - Lies - Extra History (Patreon)

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2015-11-06 20:13:29
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Was Yi's life really the Confucian parable that it seemed? And was Walpole behind it all?

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Korea: Admiral Yi - Lies - Extra History

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The Cayute

I knew it! Walpole, you brilliant fiend... Honestly couldn't wait for this episode of Lies, I knew you'd gotten some good sources, but the diary surprised me. I didn't think there was one.

Alex Wiens

I'm going to argue that the Broadstreet Pump was also a GIS solution

RMS Oceanic

It's always important to treat first hand accounts of conflicts with a critical eye in the event of them overselling themselves (Churchill and Caesar spring to mind), so for a first hand account to be the most critical helps underline Yi's glowing reputation. On the subject of "This was totally his last wish guys for realsies", I'm fond of the Roman General Stilicho's account of the Emperor Theodosius' dying words, that not only should Stilicho be regent for the eight year old Honorius - which was already public record - but also the sixteen year old Arcadius. Many Constantinoplian eyebrows were raised at that one, and unlike Hideyoshi's push for peace it didn't take. I almost used the 'P' word to denote my excitement for the Broad Street Pump. Military History is fun, but it's important to remember it's one aspect of Humanity.

Jason Youngberg

I confess, I don't like you calling it "Lies". They seem more like honest mistakes than an intentional untruth.

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>>961572

I wasn't a fan when James and Dan first decided on it, but it's grown on me. The title is attention-getting, and for some folks it's a necessary jolt to remind them that every history is going to be fleshed out to some degree with assumptions, prejudices, and - well-meaning or not - lies.

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>>961295

There is! And if you ever get the chance to pick it up yourself, it's a really interesting read. Like James said, Yi is much harder on himself than anyone writing about him.

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>>961373

I wouldn't argue against that! John Snow's map of the cholera outbreak was remarkably well put together. And Lil's done a great job of re-rendering them for the series!

Tristan Murphy

I almost like lies more than the real episodes!

Michael Waisfeld

I probably would've enjoyed this series a lot more if I wasn't so biased towards the Japanese >_<

Jason Youngberg
>>961572

Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's a minor quibble. As long as it works for you, that's all that counts.

Chase Denecke

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for doing these "lies" episodes. It means a lot to me to see how much effort y'all put into research and checking sources.

Chase Denecke

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for doing these "lies" episodes. It means a lot to me to see how much effort y'all put into research and checking sources. One question I had that wasn't addressed in the episode: how certain is it that Yi actually fired the shot that killed the enemy commander in that naval engagement?

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>>967785

James is off traveling and doing James things again so I can't check with him! But I'll bet you could find out. I'd be interested to hear if you look into it!