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End of the Samurai - Lies - Extra History (Patreon)

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Recommended Reading!

The Making of Modern Japan by Marius B. Jansen 

The Last Samurai: The Life & Battles of Saigo Takamori by Mark Ravina 

Samurai Assassins: "Dark Murder" & Meiji Restoration by Romulus Hillsborough 

Japanese Armies 1868-1877 by Osprey Publishing 


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End of the Samurai - Lies - Extra History

Welcome Extra Historians to Lies, where we talk about the mistakes we made and the details we couldn't quite squeeze into the episode proper. Why did the French offer so much help to the traditionalists? The relatively in relatively bloodless is doing a LOT of work. And most importantly, how does Rob feel about The Last Samurai? If you want to check out our recommended reading, you can find it on our Patreon page: Timestamps! 0:00 - Recommended Reading/General Questions 5:15 - Episode 1 6:50 - Episode 2 9:48 - Episode 3 15:44 - Episode 4 16:55 - Episode 5 19:05 - Next on Extra History 20:26 - Ibn Battuta Side Trip Join us on Patreon! http://bit.ly/EHPatreon Check out all our shows at http://extracredits.site Follow us on Instagram: http://bit.ly/ECisonInstagram Grab your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://extracredits.store Subscribe for new episodes every Saturday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC Thanks for participating in this week's discussion! We want you to be aware of our community posting guidelines so that we can have high-quality conversations: https://www.extracredits.site/extra-credits-community-code-of-con Contribute community subtitles to Extra History: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6054623?hl=en Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Watch us play games and have fun on http://bit.ly/ECtwitch ____________ ♪ Get the intro music here! http://bit.ly/1EQA5N7 *Music by Demetori: http://bit.ly/1AaJG4H ♪ Outro music: "The Streets of Kyoto" by Tiffany Roman http://www.tiffanyromanlouk.com

Comments

Nate Butkus

That Japanese Republic sounds a lot like the Republic in Russia that lasted for I think 9 months until the Communists took over.

Martin Verran

Seriouly, guys, take a Christmas break...it's not like history is going anywhere.

Herkles

thanks for the answer. Though I am curious why you spelled my name as Hercles and not Herkles.

Martin Verran
>>50205557

Maybe it was autocorrected? It's happened to me one or two times and it's really annoying.

Martin Verran
>>50186740

Here is the final alt history for the Boshin War; I think I must've forgotten how frustrating Total War: Shogun 2 can be until I came back to it while you were uploading this series! 1816 In the Kingdom of Vinland, the Potato Harvest in The Eastern Keewatin Territories is Ruined because of an Unseasonable Frost, Driving many Poor Farmers into Bankruptcy. 1820 In the Japanese Empire, Recognising that he has no other Choice if Japan is to Remain Free of the European Powers, Shōgun Mōri Naritō very Reluctantly Orders a Belated Programme of Industrialisation and Westernisation to Secure its Extensive Coastline. 1824 In the Iroquois Confederation, the U.S. Army Crosses over the Border into the Confederation under the Command of General James K. Polk, thus beginning the Green Mountain War. The U.S. Government Hopes that doing so will help Hide the Dire State of America’s Finances under a Wave of Patriotism. 1839 5th December In the United States, a Son, George Armstrong, is Born in New Rumley, Ohio, to Farmer Emanuel Henry Custer and his Wife, Marie Ward Kirkpatrick, who is of both English and Anglo-Scots Descent. 1849 5th December In the United States, the U.S. Army begins to Adopt large Gold Eagle ~ topped Vexilloid Banners, Named “Aquilae,” in Deliberate Imitation of the Ancient Roman Legions. 1850 12th December The Japanese Empire Declares itself to be at War against the Kingdom of France with the Hope of Capturing the French Loaisa Islands. 1852 31st March In the Japanese Empire, the Treaty of Peace and Amity is Signed in the City of Yokohama, Kanagawa Province, by Representatives of the Japanese Empire, the Kingdom of France, and the United Kingdoms of The Netherlands. Under the Terms of the Treaty, Japan will Hand the French Loaisa Islands Back to France, the Japanese Cities of Shimoda, Izu Province, and Hakodate, Hokkaido, will be Opened up to European Merchants, who will be Granted Complete Freedom of Movement by the Japanese Government. A French Consulate will be Built in Shimoda, Izu Province, and France will hold a Monopoly on all European Trade with Japan. The Japanese Islands of Okinawa will be Occupied by Luxembourgoise Troops for a Period of 20 Years to make sure Japan keeps to its Half of the Bargain. In the Japanese Empire, the Shock of Defeat Causes an Upsurge of Anti-Shōgunate Feelings, Especially in the South, where Powerful Daimyo long Opposed to the Mōri ~ Namely, the Shimazu, Yamauchi and Tōdō Clans ~ are Swift to Denounce the Shōgunate for Surrendering rather than Fighting the French with Honour. In the Japanese Empire, after the Surrender, Admiral Louis Philippe Presents Shōgun Mōri Takachika with Rifles, Revolvers, a Telegraph Key and a Waist high Model of a Steam Locomotive, Technologies which Stun the Japanese Officials. The Shōgunate quickly Enters Negotiations to Buy Modern Steamships, Cannons, and Rifles, and send Missions Overseas to Study new Technologies. 1854 17th June In the Kingdom of Great Britain, a Son, William Sherlock, is Born in Hutton Hall in the Village of Hutton-le-Hole, North Yorkshire, to Sir William Scott Holmes and his Wife, Violet Mycroft. 1856 10th July In the Austro-Hungarian Empire, a Son, Nikola, is Born in the Village of Smiljan, Croatia-Slavonia, to Milutin Tesla, an Ethnically Serbian Eastern Orthodox Priest, and his Wife, Đuka, who has a Talent for making Home Craft Tools, Mechanical Appliances, and the Ability to Memorise Serbian Epic Poems. 1858 27th October In the United States, a Son, Theodore, is Born in New York City to Businessman Theodore Roosevelt, Sr., who is of Dutch Descent [and, therefore, One of the most Favoured Racial Groups in the U.S.] and his Wife, Martha Bulloch Roosevelt. 1860 24th March In the Japanese Empire, Tairō Ii Naosuke is Assassinated outside the Sakurada Gate of Edo Castle by Rōnin from the Shimazu and Tokugawa Clans Angry at his Role in the Opening of Japan to Foreign Powers. He will be Remembered by Future Historians as the Tairō under whose Guidance the Mōri Shōgunate Navigated a Particularly Turmoltuous Time which saw the Forced Re ~ Opening of Japan for Trade with Europe after nearly 214 Years of Self ~ Imposed Isolationism from the outside World as well as for Negotiating the Humiliating Treaty of Peace and Amity, Weakening the Shōgunate’s Credibility in the Eyes of the Common Japanese People and, Ultimately, Lead to his Assassination at the Hands of the Traditionalists. He will Immediately be both Villified and Defended, with even his Enemies Admitting that, along with Mōri Takachika, Ii was One of the most Important and Influential People of the Late Bakufu Period, but his Heavy ~ Handed Methods of Suppressing Dissent will be the Subject of Extremely Negative Press and he will be Portrayed as a Villain in much of the Literature from the Period. 14th September In the Japanese Empire, British Mercant Charles Lennox Richardson is Attacked and Killed by the Samurai Bodyguards of Prince Shimazu Hisamitsu after Richardson tries to Force his way through their Procession. He will be Remembered by Future Historians as the Spark that Triggered the Brief Anglo- Japanese War after the Shimazu Refused a British Demand to Pay an Indemnity to Richardson’s Family. 1861 23rd August In the Kingdom of Great Britain, Violet Mycroft Holmes Passes away inside Hutton Hall in the Village of Hutton-le-Hole, North Yorkshire. She will be Remembered by Future Historians as the Mother of the Sherlock Holmes, the “Great Detective,” and the Father of Modern Police Methods. She had given the then Six ~ Year ~ old Sherlock his First Lessons at Home, and her Death Certificate will give the Cause of Death will be given as “Consumption,” and she had had no Doubt she was Suffering from what is Known to many Victorians as the “White Death.” 1862 In the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Tesla Family Moves to the Town of Gospić, Croatia-Slavonia, where Milutin Works as a Parish Priest. Nikola Completes Primary and Secondary School. 1863 11th March In the Japanese Empire, Emperor Ninkō of Japan Issues an Edict Ordering all Foreigners Living in Japan to leave by 11th May, Overruling the Policy of Westernisation being Pursued by Shōgun Mōri Takachika. 15th August In the Japanese Empire, after the Deadline for the British Ultimatum Expires with no Answer, Four Vessels of the British Royal Navy Bombard the Port City of Kagoshima, Satsuma Province, Killing 5 People in Kagoshima and Burning 500 Paper Houses. The Shimazu Forces on the Shore Vent out their Anger by Firing their Round Shot at the British Ships, Killing 13 of the British Sailors. 1864 In the Shimazu Clan, Daimyō Shimazu Hisamitsu Decides that, although it saddens him to see Japanese Culture Diluted by the Barbarian ways of the Europeans, there are many Advantages to Embracing their Technology. To Conduct Advanced Research, we must First Increase our Capacity for Development by Building up our Civic and Industrial Infrastructure. In the Shimazu Clan, a British Agent, Seth Patrick, is Ordered by Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi to Merge with a Shimazu Army ~ 721 Men under the Command of General Saigō Takamori to Train the Troops, Allowing them to Gain Experience outside of Battle. In the Shimazu Clan, a Unit of Spearmen under the Command of Captain Honma Yasutake are Ordered by Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi to March from the Castle-Town of Kagoshima, Satsuma Province, and Merge with a Shimazu Army ~ 721 Men under the Command of General Saigō Takamori. In the Shimazu Clan, a Shimazu Army ~ now 909 Men under the Command of General Saigō Takamori ~ are Ordered by Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi to March from Satsuma Province to the Border of Ōsumi Province. In the Shimazu Clan, Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi Offers Daimyo Nabeshima Mochizuru of the Nabeshima Clan a Trade Agreement. The Nabeshima Clan Declines the Offer, as Daimyo Nabeshima Mochizuru Feels that it is not Right for him to Accept at this Time. In the Shimazu Clan, a Unit of Levy Infantry under the Command of Captain Owari Shigekata are Ordered by Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi to March from the Castle-Town of Kokubu, Ōsumi Province, and Merge with a Shimazu Army ~ 909 Men under the Command of General Saigō Takamori ~ along the Border of Satsuma Province. In the Shimazu Clan, a Unit of Levy Infantry under the Command of Captain Kumu Nagateru are Ordered by Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi to March from the Castle-Town of Kagoshima, Satsuma , and Merge with a Shimazu Army ~ now 1,097 Men under the Command of General Saigō Takamori ~ along the Border of Satsuma Province. In the Nobeoka Clan, a Shimazu Clan Fleet ~ Two Ships and 99 Men under the Command of Admiral Ōtomo Mochiaki ~ are Ordered by Daimyo Shimazu Tadayoshi to Sail up the Sea of Hyuga to the Coast of Hyūga Province, where they are Ordered to Bombard a Nobeoka Clan Army under the Command of General Naitō Munefusa, Killing 37 Men. In the Tōdō Clan, a Ninja, Katantnka, is Ordered by Daimyo Tōdō Takayuki to Enter Ōmi and Gather Intelligence on the Hikone Army Garrisoning the Castle-Town of Ōtsu, the Capital of the Hikone Clan. 8th November In the United States, a Presidential Election, held Nationwide, Results in a Landslide Victory for the Democratic Party Candidate, George B. McClellan and his Running Mate, George H. Pendleton, who Carry 8 States, Gain 2,245,763% of the Popular Vote and 142 Electoral Votes. Their Opponents, Republican Party Candidates General John C. Frémont and his Running Mate, David Wilmot, Carry 13 States, Gain 1,638,415% of the Popular Vote and 79 Electoral Votes. A Third Party, the Perfect Union Party Candidates Charles P. Bush and his Running Mate, Oren B. Cheney, only Carry One State, Gain 436,337% of the Popular Vote and 8 Electoral Votes. In the United States, upon Learning of his Election Victory, U.S. President-Elect George B. McClellan makes a Speech Calling for “an Equitable Peace,” between the Combatants. 1865 22nd February In the Confederate States, the Treaty of Manassas is Signed in the City of Manassas, Virginia, by Representatives of the Confederate States, United States, the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Western Roman Empire, thus bringing to an End the Southron War of Independence [also Called the “American Civil War” in the United States.] Under the Terms of the Treaty, the United States Recognises the Independence of the Confederate States, Referendums will be held in the States of Maryland, Kentucky, Southern Missouri, New Mexico, and Arizona to Determine their Fate, which will be Overseen by Representatives of the United States, the Confederate States, and a Neutral Power to be Named later, to see that they are Conducted in a Fair and Fraud ~ Free Manner. The United States will not be Required to Pay War Reparations or Return Fugitive Slaves who have Escaped into their Territory, and nor will the Confederacy will be Required to Pay the Union for Federal Property Seized by the Confederacy within their Own Borders. The Chesapeake Bay will Remain Free to Shipping from the Union for a Period of 25 Years, but Access to the Mississippi River will be Regulated by the Confederate Congress. The Indian Territory will be Attached to the Confederacy as a Self ~ Governing Dependency. Great Britain will Withdraw her Troops from New England, and the Union will Return British Columbia to Great Britain. 4th March In the United States, General George B. McClellan of New Jersey is Sworn into Office as 18th President of the United States of America in the Temporary U.S. Capital City of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 10th June In the United States, the State Legislature of Maryland Meets in the City of Annapolis and Votes in Favour of Secession and Applying for Membership of the Confederacy, as Allowed by the Terms of the Treaty of Manassas. 1st October In the Confederate States, the Confederate Congress Votes in Favour of Moving the Capital from the City of Richmond, Virginia, to the City of Washington, D.C. The District of Columbia is Renamed the “Confederate District.” 1866 In the Confederate States, the Commonwealth of Virginia [Heavily under the Influence of Men like General Robert E. Lee, who, Despite not being Directly Involved with Politics at this Point, is still very Influential Due to his Popularity] becomes the First State in the Confederacy to Pass a Law Declaring the Practice of Slavery Illegal within its Borders, to take Effect on 1st January 1870. Slave Owners will Receive Compensation of $250 per Slave from the State Government, and Slaves Remaining in Bondage will be Paid a small Wage. Once the Slave has Accumulated the Sum of $250, the Slave will be Allowed to Purchase his or her Freedom. In the United States, the U.S. Congress Votes to Move the Capital to the City of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Construction begins on a far Grander Capitol Building than the One that had been Surrendered to the Confederacy and Designs a new “Presidential Palace,” Modelled on the Palace of Versailles, are Drawn up. 1867 30th January In the Japanese Empire, Emperor Ninkō of Japan Passes away at the Age of 66. He will be Remembered by Future Historians as a Time of much International Turmoil as a Result of Japan’s First Major Contact with France under Admiral Louis Philippe and the Subsequent Forced Re ~ Opening of Japan to Western Nations, Ending a 220 ~ Year long Trend of Inward ~ looking Emperors and Partial Self ~ Isolation from the outside World. He Presided over the beginning of a Time of Rapid change that Witnessed the Japanese Empire Transformed from a Isolationist Feudal State into a Major Industrialised World Power. 3rd February In the Japanese Empire, Shōgun Mōri Takachika Abdicates, Allowing the Late Emperor Ninkō’s Son, Prince Yoshiaki, to Ascend to the Chrysanthemum Throne as Emperor Taisei of Japan. The Shōgun’s Abdication Creates a Void at the Highest Levels of Government, while his Apparatus of Remain in Place. Moreover, the Mōri Clan Remains a Prominent Force in the Evolving Political Order, a Prospect that Hardliners from the Kyoto Clique find Unacceptable. 1868 3rd November In the United States, a Presidential Election, held Nationwide, Results in Victory for the Democratic Party Candidate, Former Governor Horatio Seymour of New York and his Running Mate, Former Representative Clement Vallandigham of Ohio, who Carry 18 States and Gain 4,799,781% of the Popular Vote and 188 Electoral Votes. Their Opponents, Republican Party Candidate Benjamin Gratz Brown, a Former Senator from Missouri and his Running Mate, Former Attorney General Frederick Theodore Frelinghuysen of New Jersey, Carry 5 States and Gain 923,035% of the Popular Vote and 26 Electoral Votes. 1869 27th January In the Republic of Ezo, Samurai Retainers Loyal to the Mōri Shōgunate Declare the Republic of Ezo, with a Government Organisation Based on the of the United States, although Suffrage is Restricted to the Samurai Class, with Admiral Enomoto Takeaki Serving as President. 4th March In the United States, Former Governor Horatio Seymour of New York is Sworn in to Office as 19th President of the United States of America in the U.S. Capital City of Philadelphia, D.C. As the Presidential Palace is still under Construction, President Seymour will take up Residence inside the Powel House instead. 1870 22nd April In the Russian Empire, a Son, Vladimir, is Born to Teacher Ilya Ulyanov and his Wife, Maria, in the City of Simbirsk, Simbirsk Governorate. 1871 17th May In the Japanese Empire, Former Shōgun Mōri Takachika Passes away in his Home in Tokyo, Tokyo Prefecture. He will be Remembered by Future Historians as the last of the Mōri Shōgunate, which had Ruled Japan since 1585; his Reign having been a Period of much International Turmoil as a Result of the “Re ~ Opening” of Japan to European Nations after the Disastrous Franco ~ Japanese War, and then began an Extensive Attempt at Reform and Modernisation, ultimately Leading to his Downfall at the Hands of the Traditionalists during the First Japanese Civil War, bringing to an End Seven Centuries of De Facto Rule by the Japanese Warrior Class. 29th August In the Japanese Empire, Emperor Taisei of Announces the Abolition of the Japanese Feudal System, Confiscating the Lands of Daimyo who had Remained Loyal to the Mōri and Reorganising them into Prefectures with Governors Appointed Directly by the Emperor. 1872 28th March In the Japanese Empire, Emperor Taisei of Japan Announces that every Able ~ Bodied Male Citizen must do up to Four Years National Service upon Reaching 21 Years of Age. Samurai are also Forbidden from carrying their Katanas in Public Spaces. 1873 In the Japanese Empire, Saigō Takamori Offers to Travel to Korea and Provoke a Casus Belli by Behaving in such an Insulting Manner Towards the Koreans to Provoke his Own Assassination, thus giving Japan a Reason to Invade Korea. Prime Minister Ōkubo Toshimichi Rejects this Plan; although he wants a War with Korea, he Realises the Weakness of Japan Compared to the European Powers which he has Witnessed during the Iwakura Mission. Disappointed, Saigō Takamori Retires to Kagoshima, where he takes up Farming, Hunting, Writing Letters, and spending Time with his Grandson. 1903 18th February In the Japanese Empire, Emperor Taisei of Japan Passes away at the Age of 57 inside the Tokyo Palace, Tokyo Prefecture. He will be Remembered by Future Historians as the Japanese Emperor who Lead Japan away from an Isolationist, Feudal Society into an Industrialised World Power, continuing the Policy of Westernisation begun by his Father, Emperor Ninkō, and for Leading Japan in a Time of Aggressive Expansion, Waging War against, First, the Republic of Ezo, putting down the Shimazu Rebellion, then Successfully Invading and Occupying Korea during the First Sino-Japanese War and a Disastrous Attempt to Secure the Philippine Islands during the Spanish-Japanese War, which Resulted in a Growth of Anti ~ Imperial Sentiment in Japan. 10th November In the Japanese Empire, after the Death of Emperor Taisei, as he has no Children of his Own to Succeed him, his Brother, Prince Yorihito, Ascends to the Chrysanthemum Throne as Emperor Keishin of Japan. 1904 2nd February In the Japanese Empire, an Ultimatum is sent to Russian Prime Minister Sergei Witte Demanding that Russia Concede Fishing Rights as well as Economic Privileges in Siberia within 24 Hours or Face War. The Deadline is too short: a Coding Delay at the Japanese Embassy, as well as the Time differences, Means that by the Time it reaches Prime Minister Witte, the Russian Government has only 12 Hours in which to Reply, but Japan, in a Moment of Haste, has Cut all of the Telegraph Lines between Japan and Russia, Seeking to make Sure that Russian Spies cannot Communicate with Saint Petersburg but, in Reality, Ensuring War. 7th February In the Russian Empire, a Fleet of Six Dreadnought Battleships belonging to the Imperial Japanese Navy under the Command of Admiral Tōgō Heihachirō Fire on the Russian Fleet at Anchor in Port Arthur, Fengtian Province, Disabling Two Russian Battleships and a Cruiser. The Conflict that will become Known as the Fourth Great World War has begun.